Yucky Stuff - ESO going downhill even faster - Is ESO still fun for you?

DjinnAeternam

So ZoS pushed another fix to live servers, trying to "alleviate" some "yucky stuff" going on.

So yesterday went Cyro with a group to check the improvements:

- Getting booted to log in screen for blocking > Aparently solved.
- Input delay > Not entirely solved but a bit better

But now we have:

- Even higher lag than before (>300ms avg on prime time [EU-PC]No-CP).
- Gap closers not working due to heavy positional desyncs - You actually move back instead of forward sometimes.
- Perma slow bug is worse, you can get perma slowed until death, now more than ever (debuff wears off/is cleansed but slow remains untill you respawn)
- Impossible to use skills due to major lag - We don't have as much input lag but server doesn't respond to our inputs at all.
- CC immunity is not working, even after using immovability potion and skill that gives immunity, players are still getting CCed.This is going on for a long time before this "fix".
- Damage is not being registered whatsoever - Probably due to huge desyncs going on
- Keep doors at 0% but still visible and unpassable ; resources flipped but still appear as enemy ; Be able to use (apparently enemy) Keep doors to go inside.

So this is not even fun anymore, it's a huge mess where players struggle to be able to play, maybe have a few minutes of fun before the bad performance and bugs kicks in.

I wonder, on another perspective, why would anyone would be willing to continue to pay for such a product? I'd really like to hear GMs/Devs/Management arguments on this.

Would be nice to see some feedback and comments from experienced pvp groups and members about this, and also what PVErs feel about this new "fix", does ESO still feels like fun for you?

Lintashi

Eso still somewhat fun, but it feels, that game is slowly declining. Less content, with higher pricing, with crown store being lackluster, and everything worthy is placed in gamble crates. And even in them, it is just reskins after reskins. Every chapter provides less content then previous one, dlc's are not awwaited with hope, but rather fear for anouher round of nerfs. And as for performance- forum is overflowing with complaints. I still have eso+ mainly for craft bag, but I do not buy any additional stuff, like I used too. I mainly do questing now, filling achievements like fishing ones. Too much problems in pvp for me to do it, and even desync started to appear in trials and dungeons. As a healer, I do not want to let my group down cos of me lagging, so I play solo now. If situation will not improve after Greymoor, I will leave. There is no reason to wait for q3 dlc with only 2 dungeons as content.

sekou_trayvond

I have plenty of fun. Came back fresh after a hiatus....so many options for whatever my mood for the day is: battlegrounds, pugging, vet dungeons with friends, dailies, resource farming, level an alt, progress through VMA,...practically whatever I want to do.

But YMMV, I suppose.

Inaya

Lots of fun, always something fun to do.

MCBIZZLE300

It's fun when it works, which is a rarity now.

gatekeeper13

I ve been an ESO player for about 1 and a half year. Right now I feel like there is nothing else to do besides daily dungeon pledges for keys and crystals and some PVP in Cyro to get my gladiator proof, when it is technically possible (server side). The latest DLC does not interest me at all and didnt bother buying it.

But my game time has declined seriously the last 2 weeks. Dont play more than 2 hours per day when I used to spend around 5-6.

Irfind

DjinnAeternam wrote: »

- Gap closers not working due to heavy positional desyncs - You actually move back instead of forward sometimes.

Yesterday i sniped behind me the arrow curved and hit

rumple9

They just need to delete it and move onto something else - not computer related

WilliamESO

IC is fun but i boycott Cyrodiil at primetime since 3 years got 200kbps it's impossible to log on Cyro but possible to 1vX in IC and Bgs

worrallj

Speaking for myself, although I am no stranger to cyrodiil I spend more time in pve and battlegrounds. Steadier level of action plus way less buggy from what I hear.

rumple9

The game is broke period

snoozy

MCBIZZLE300 wrote: »

It's fun when it works, which is a rarity now.

this

gatekeeper13

Right now we have insane lag at dungeons and group finder seems broken.

All group members reported that they lag like hell.

RavenLake

I get no lag or issues. Its fun for me, but I don't PVP.

Elsonso

Yes. Still enjoy playing, although no time to really sit and play with any intensity right now.

mb10

It’s been terrible since Murkmire or even before let’s be honest.

The combat changes haven’t been good for 2 years now. 2 solid years of every update making combat worse than the update before.

Does anyone get held accountable at ZOS?

Wrobel got a lot of the blame but his combat system was A LOT better than the utter bs that’s on ESO now

faeeichenlaub

Yep having fun. Lag for whatever reason hasn't been noticeably different (XBOXNA).
I have not crashed at all though so that is good in my book.
Closing in on Grandmaster Crafter Achievement.. 2 elusive motifs to go!

Thevampirenight

Well as long as I can play it, and I do have terrible ping however latency can be good at times it seems to fluctuate. I play on a laptop you could say I play on a potato I guess. I do think things have improved but have been mixed. So it varies by person and hopefully it will all get better and things will be better with performance.

Shantu

mb10 wrote: »

It’s been terrible since Murkmire or even before let’s be honest.

The combat changes haven’t been good for 2 years now. 2 solid years of every update making combat worse than the update before.

Does anyone get held accountable at ZOS?

Wrobel got a lot of the blame but his combat system was A LOT better than the utter bs that’s on ESO now

Yep. Ever since the draconian bust down on shields, the game has been hemorrhaging fun and grown increasingly tedious. More and more my enthusiasm feels like it's floating in a crapper that needs to be flushed.

But hey, I know someone who just blew $700 of real money on furnishings for her houses. So really, why should ZOS care about what we whine about on its forum?

linoge63

The OP nailed every issue at least in Cyrodiil.

I can launch at an outpost wall defender a bow skill and its so laggy I can almost run half way it before it lands lol- so there are advantages because the return to stealth lag is just lol

Carespanker

On the PC/NA PVP front we're losing guilds and players every single day at an increasing rate due to performance.

On the PC/NA vet trials front, we're losing players every single day at a moderate pace due to lack of content and performance in endgame content.

The game works for casuals only it seems and all forms of actual progression in any other aspect is terrible. There is no growth on any front and all we got is to wait for is the hype of skyrim to fill this game with noobs that stay for the summer then quit again just like elsweyr with no hope of actual performance improvements in the near future. ESO's community is tanking hard, I can't keep lying to people and making events that never fill for the guilds I run forever and I don't blame any other guilds that quit during all this... because its definitely not fun anymore lol.

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TheFM

Irfind wrote: »

DjinnAeternam wrote: »

- Gap closers not working due to heavy positional desyncs - You actually move back instead of forward sometimes.

Yesterday i sniped behind me the arrow curved and hit

The best is when you can wave at your frag approaching from behind, orw hen you leap someone and it doesnt work, and then suddenly you leap backwards ten seconds later and fly way further than the range indicated. xD

Veuth

In my opinion, this is close to being as bad as it was in 2014 when this game first released. I mean, it's virtually unplayable at this rate ESPECIALLY for PvP. 60fps for more than 10 seconds in an open zone is out of the question, same for ping. Last year I never saw my ping go over 100, now this year I hardly see it go under 100.

JamuThatsWho

MCBIZZLE300 wrote: »

It's fun when it works, which is a rarity now.

Agreed, and it's a real shame.

Gilvoth

the HIGH ping and lagg for me makes pvp unplayable, im holding on but ... idk

SpaceElf

I'm having loads of fun! Sometimes I need to take a break though.

Major_Lag

DjinnAeternam wrote: »

- Impossible to use skills due to major lag - We don't have as much input lag but server doesn't respond to our inputs at all.

At last, I've been properly recognized for my contributions to the cause

But seriously, OP - you forgot another important problem, the completely random disconnects.
Before U25 it used to be the case that you could get DCed when fast riding (or porting) to a heavily contested objective with multiple 24 man groups present.
However, after the recent "fixes" I've been getting DCed in Cyro even when fairly small fights break out - for example, such as a few smallscalers baiting a roughly raid-sized zerg.

iiRenity

I went on hiatus from the game since shortly after the Southern Elsweyr launch due to the multiple issues the game was having, pinging upwards of 999+ (despite my very good internet) in PVE zones. PVP became literally unplayable. After all the nonsense with the events, I decided to take a break and come back in a few months. I was truly hoping that by the time I returned that at least the basic issues in PVE had been fixed. Nope. I love this game. I have spent thousands of hours playing. However, it's rapidly becoming unplayable and its chasing away its loyal base. I haven't even tried going back into PVP. I assume it's an absolute ***. I would rather the developers completely take the game down for a week, two weeks, as long as it takes, to fix all these major issues that should have been nipped in the bud. I miss this game. I want to play it. The game just doesn't allow for it.

JestersRevenge

I play on PS4 NA on Gray Host. There's hardly a queue during primetime hours since the March 10th patch. For whatever reason, ranged seems a little easier to play but not by much. Disappointing.

SirLeeMinion

I still enjoy and play the game. That said, I had to change the way I play. Whereas I used to run group content, PvP in Cyrodiil, and attempt the harder dungeons solo. Now I mostly play it as Skyriim online. Performance is terrible, and I'm even seeing desyncs when running dungeons solo. The nerfs to solo builds have been demoralizing; as a result, I stopped putting money into the game months ago.

About the only bright spot has been BGs. I love the solo queue - it's too bad immovability bugs and skills not firing make PvP less fun than it was.

DjinnAeternam

Major_Lag wrote: »

DjinnAeternam wrote: »

- Impossible to use skills due to major lag - We don't have as much input lag but server doesn't respond to our inputs at all.

At last, I've been properly recognized for my contributions to the cause

But seriously, OP - you forgot another important problem, the completely random disconnects.
Before U25 it used to be the case that you could get DCed when fast riding (or porting) to a heavily contested objective with multiple 24 man groups present.
However, after the recent "fixes" I've been getting DCed in Cyro even when fairly small fights break out - for example, such as a few smallscalers baiting a roughly raid-sized zerg.

You're right, i did forgot that, thank you bringing that up! A lot of crashes going on, not only on contested areas, nowadays its anywhere.