How much in DPS a Breton loses to a high elf?

Dracane

ATreeGnome wrote: »

Icaruzs wrote: »

ATreeGnome wrote: »

It depends largely on your class and group support in content.

If you are playing a class like magicka DK, which has lots of inherent sustain in this meta, the sustain passives from a Breton will be a lot less valuable than they would be on a magicka sorc, which tends to struggle more with resources.

If you are in a 12 man trial and the supports are providing Wormcult, Hollowfang, and all 4 are wearing Symphony of blades, you will probably have more sustain than you know what to do with on any class, which makes the Breton passives pretty useless.

If you are the kind of player who wants to squeeze out extra DPS by bash weaving, Altmer has the clear advantage given their passive that can return stamina when activating a class ability. It's a small advantage but it could probably be a 500+ DPS increase in some scenarios.

So Altmer clearly has the advantage in "perfect" scenarios and will always have a higher potential DPS output simply due to the fact that sustain has an effective cap on usefulness but damage doesn't.

That said, the sustain and spell resistance that Bretons get make them far more forgiving to play in real scenarios. If you expect to be playing with tanks and healers who aren't top tier and don't optimize their gear for group utility then Breton will often be the better choice. If you prefer solo play, Breton will be the better choice for most classes. If you're learning to play magicka DPS Breton will let you get away with making more mistakes (such as double casting an expensive ability or standing in an AoE).

Both are legitimately good choices (unlike the options stamina DPS have...) so I suggest picking based on the content you want to do and how organized of a group you want to play with.

Why dps stamina strugle with options? Never played a stamina character

There are a variety of reasons, but mostly because Orcs just have higher stat density than other classes. They get 2k max stamina, 258 weapon damage, and 1k max health. Compare this to the next best option, dunmer, with 1.875k max stamina and 258 weapon damage, and 2.3k flame damage resistance. Orcs get slightly more damage, which is fine, but they also get a much better defensive passive. In some cases this even allows them to run max stamina + stamina regen food and get better damage and sustain than other races but still have the same max health.

For an easy illustration, compare Altmer to Dunmer then compare Orc to Dunmer.

Redguard and woodelves can't really leverage their sustain bonuses to close the damage gap. The redguard weapon ability cost reduction is bad unless you are running a weapon spammable, which few classes generally do, and the woodelf dodge roll passive is just too impractical to utilize consistently in PvE.

I don't think anything needs to be said about Khajiit.

I beg of you. 1k health is very far from being the same health as 5k from food.
I agree that Orc is the strongest race of all, but that reasoning is not true.

John_Falstaff

Dracane wrote: »

I beg of you. 1k health is very far from being the same health as 5k from food.
I agree that Orc is the strongest race of all, but that reasoning is not true.

For practical purposes, anything above 16k health is all right. Orcs can get there with DCT/Artaeum without any additional effort required, and, if paired with extra health from stamnecro (which is a blatant meta on its own) can let you run Lava Foot with minimal investments in health. Extra 5k health is nice but if you're already above 16k or so, and you're experienced player, you'd very much want to exchange that excess of health for max stat or regen.

Deathlord92

Bretons are just alpha and look awesome to what more do you need to know high elf should respect our power 💪

Asardes

Overall I think it depends on the class. Classes with Spell Damage multipliers like Sorcerer lose more, classes that have just maximum Magicka, damage done, or no multiplier at all lose less. You can probably do the same rotation on Breton using blue magicka & HP food, as you can do on a Dark Elf or High Elf using Clockwork Citrus Fillet or Witchmother's Potent Brew. I'd say considering higher magicka pool afforded by the former, the difference is rather small 1-1.5% at most. Another advantage is that compared to the recovery food which only gives you 16-16.5k HP, using blue food gives you 18k HP. Of course in a well optimized group with Worm Cult, Symphony of Blades, Master resto staff etc. you could probably use blue food even on High/Dark Elf and still sustain just fine.