Whats the meta for magnb in harrowstorm look like?

OWLTHEMAD

And since your here, for other classes as well. Gonna jump back in and see if my main is tolerable when it drops for console, and want to know ahead of time what i should be trying to collect. And if its even worth jumping in right now or if i should wait for the chapter.

Kadoin

Not logging into one

Ecfigies

NMA/Lich/BRP Resto/Bloodspawn or 1 chudan and 1 pirate skeleton. Heavy Armor probably.

But since mostly of NB Skills has kinda a delay now to be casted, or at least has to wait the full animation to work, might be the best idea avoid PVP, mostly with any class, it's impossible to have fun rn.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvgpVz6ERo

Beaverton

I think meta for NB in Harrowstorm is Stamcro.

brandonv516

I'll find out tomorrow what works and what doesn't when it hits console.

However, if Cloak is as broke as they say then the meta is to not play the class.

mursie

i feel like the new Galerions update with magblade and spectral could be interesting.

Carespanker

Whenever the lag and glitches get sorted out, Magblade is going to actually be pretty fun. This patch they basically copied the old viper meta from back in the day but for mag using Callurions, Kjalnar's, and a set of your choice to make a really cheesy bursty magblade proc build. Ive been waiting to try it but with cloak broken and the lag I really can't get anywhere.

Tommy_The_Gun

NBs are not meta tbh. Not in their current state. Class was wrecked way to hard.

Both mag & stam (with stam being in slightly better spot, but not by a lot). Even if you min-max the class, you will still be over-performed by other classes that are not using min-maxing meta builds. In other words: NB is not competitive.

OWLTHEMAD

Yeah I get that the class isnt meta, but its my main so i just want to know what to expect. I wanna come back to eso, but nightblade has been not fun, and its the only class i choose to play, and have specialised in. I only learn other classes when im trying to teach my friends their rotation and how to dps for pve.

Now whats this about cloak being broken?! My playstyle revolves around it so if that is something to be concerned about i might legit have to call a quits on this game until the chapter.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Don’t think much will change. Combination of Necro / alfiq / bright throat / spinners + troll king + vma/potentate back bar or throw in willpower in the mix. There’s a lot of variations I’ve been running on mine. Hell I even have a pariah build I’ve been testing.

Ragnaroek93

Who plays magblade?

Iskiab

I play mine still in the new update, but it’s a funky build with a mish mash of different sets I had pieces for: Darloc + caluurion + Balorg and I split damage and healing.

I think there are lots of combinations that work about the same. I think in general pure ranged and the fear traps are all I’m confident in saying I’m sure are the best right now. I also dropped soul harvest for meteor.

Reason for traps and ranged is with delay on ults/abilities it’s far more effective to run people over traps then waste a GCD stunning, and with cloak breaking easily being near melee is not a good idea.

I do okay, in a good game I’ll hit 400k damage and 700k healing. So still a lot less than on a magplar or MagWarden, but the damage is bursty and bursty > aoe spam, even if I don’t get the kill credit I’m pretty sure the Caal damage is the main contributor to the person dying. It’s also very fun still because being squishy adds an element of excitement.

Until you’ve played a glassy magblade, sat in a trap and are healing draining your own health... then a magplar on an opposing team toppling charges you, gets feared and you meteor and get a cal proc and get the kill... then have to run for your life not being able to heal yourself at 50% health with the rest of their team chasing... you’ve never had real fun as a magblade lol.

Kalixte

Ecfigies wrote: »

NMA/Lich/BRP Resto/Bloodspawn or 1 chudan and 1 pirate skeleton. Heavy Armor probably.

But since mostly of NB Skills has kinda a delay now to be casted, or at least has to wait the full animation to work, might be the best idea avoid PVP, mostly with any class, it's impossible to have fun rn.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvgpVz6ERo

You kidding? Meta is - at least - 2 proc sets: Zaan, Caluurion, choose whatever you want last. This is well representing the poor state of the class.

Noctus

OWLTHEMAD wrote: »

And since your here, for other classes as well. Gonna jump back in and see if my main is tolerable when it drops for console, and want to know ahead of time what i should be trying to collect. And if its even worth jumping in right now or if i should wait for the chapter.

u can make a stamnb work but a magblade is currently damn hard

Iskiab

BGs are way different than solo. In BGs I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have the ability to kill a good player solo.

Thing that I’m crutching on is the fear traps breaking up enemy charges. Plus when someone runs over them I either get away or jump them with a Caal proc. People usually aren’t good with assisting, but put someone sub 50% health and it’s a feeding frenzy to get the last hit, that puts them into a defensive downward spiral which gives you some room to be a bit offensive despite being glassy.

I managed one 1v2 but they were new players. If I see a BG regular like MavPK or Mystikkal I run.

OWLTHEMAD

See i dont feel like my magblade is hard to play so much as hard to build, especially if you dont like proc sets. I did callurion way back when it first became available and paired it with destructive reach and valkyn skoria (good times) i had my fun, but that is no longer fun. I suppose if i didnt mind being short ranged with it i could bring back with clench, but. . .

I dont know, i feel like nightblades are burned after every dlc, and only get love and feel decent right after chapter releases. Just tired of having to completely rewrite my playstyle every patch, just to remain competitive. I should be tweaking and refining, not overhauling and not falling back on the caluurion crutch. (Not digging on the people who use it, but i am digging on its widespread necessity.)

Iskiab

OWLTHEMAD wrote: »

See i dont feel like my magblade is hard to play so much as hard to build, especially if you dont like proc sets. I did callurion way back when it first became available and paired it with destructive reach and valkyn skoria (good times) i had my fun, but that is no longer fun. I suppose if i didnt mind being short ranged with it i could bring back with clench, but. . .

I dont know, i feel like nightblades are burned after every dlc, and only get love and feel decent right after chapter releases. Just tired of having to completely rewrite my playstyle every patch, just to remain competitive. I should be tweaking and refining, not overhauling and not falling back on the caluurion crutch. (Not digging on the people who use it, but i am digging on its widespread necessity.)

It’s basicly necessary because of all the new high weapon damage sets. It buffed stam damage a bit, but they also sent self healing into the stratosphere. 4k vigor ticks in CP is pretty ridiculous to burst through. You’ll likely only hit for 4k with swallow soul if you’re lucky.

HowlKimchi

Made mine work still using a high recovery build and damage sets.

Then, I switched to my magplar. It was much easier/effective in all aspects.

Van_Winkle

Since mag nb is long-dead, they should make him a necromancers pet - i see no other purpose for him.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Iskiab wrote: »

BGs are way different than solo. In BGs I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have the ability to kill a good player solo.

Thing that I’m crutching on is the fear traps breaking up enemy charges. Plus when someone runs over them I either get away or jump them with a Caal proc. People usually aren’t good with assisting, but put someone sub 50% health and it’s a feeding frenzy to get the last hit, that puts them into a defensive downward spiral which gives you some room to be a bit offensive despite being glassy.

I managed one 1v2 but they were new players. If I see a BG regular like MavPK or Mystikkal I run.

Why not? I go in no cloak mnb and do very well vs almost anyone. If I see good teams I don’t run in to a melee AoE fest until I have a meteor but with troll king I can usually face tank anyone and if I time a harvest bow I can typically drop most.

Maulkin

I'm having some success with my procblade build.

- Zaan
- Icy (body)
- Caluurion (front)
- Maelstrom Resto (backbar)

-> Build Link <-

Emphasis on the word some, because I can play whatever build tickles my fancy on my magsorc and it blows my magblade out of the water. I have no AoE, quite low mitigation (squish) and I get hard countered by Templars jabs and Sorc Streaks. But when I focus someone and I get my procs off the single target damage is stupendous.

PS: That is a BG build. Don't know what folks play in Cyro, I never go into that laggy crapfest. Especially since combat and C break are considerably worse this patch

Iskiab

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

BGs are way different than solo. In BGs I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have the ability to kill a good player solo.

Thing that I’m crutching on is the fear traps breaking up enemy charges. Plus when someone runs over them I either get away or jump them with a Caal proc. People usually aren’t good with assisting, but put someone sub 50% health and it’s a feeding frenzy to get the last hit, that puts them into a defensive downward spiral which gives you some room to be a bit offensive despite being glassy.

I managed one 1v2 but they were new players. If I see a BG regular like MavPK or Mystikkal I run.

Why not? I go in no cloak mnb and do very well vs almost anyone. If I see good teams I don’t run in to a melee AoE fest until I have a meteor but with troll king I can usually face tank anyone and if I time a harvest bow I can typically drop most.

I think PC-NA is different than PC-EU. On PC-NA it’s pretty normal to get zero cross healing from team mates and it’s dominated by stam.

Even when you get mag on your team they’re usually in S&B, if you see a magplar I expect to get zero healing outside ritual and petsorcs never use their pet heals. When you do see a healer it’s pretty common for me to outheal them in a dps spec because they’re in S&B too.

I think with cross healing it can make up for the lack of magblade self healing, but without the cross healing you have to be more careful about engaging. You can lose half your health in a GCD and it takes a good 5 seconds to recover.

I’ll ambush and be aggressive, but I wouldn’t call it brawling. Most players show up in solo 1vX specs so I expect next to no support from them.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Iskiab wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

BGs are way different than solo. In BGs I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have the ability to kill a good player solo.

Thing that I’m crutching on is the fear traps breaking up enemy charges. Plus when someone runs over them I either get away or jump them with a Caal proc. People usually aren’t good with assisting, but put someone sub 50% health and it’s a feeding frenzy to get the last hit, that puts them into a defensive downward spiral which gives you some room to be a bit offensive despite being glassy.

I managed one 1v2 but they were new players. If I see a BG regular like MavPK or Mystikkal I run.

Why not? I go in no cloak mnb and do very well vs almost anyone. If I see good teams I don’t run in to a melee AoE fest until I have a meteor but with troll king I can usually face tank anyone and if I time a harvest bow I can typically drop most.

I think PC-NA is different than PC-EU. On PC-NA it’s pretty normal to get zero cross healing from team mates and it’s dominated by stam.

Even when you get mag on your team they’re usually in S&B, if you see a magplar I expect to get zero healing outside ritual and petsorcs never use their pet heals. When you do see a healer it’s pretty common for me to outheal them in a dps spec because they’re in S&B too.

I think with cross healing it can make up for the lack of magblade self healing, but without the cross healing you have to be more careful about engaging. You can lose half your health in a GCD and it takes a good 5 seconds to recover.

I’ll ambush and be aggressive, but I wouldn’t call it brawling. Most players show up in solo 1vX specs so I expect next to no support from them.

If I have no group support I just support the group. Throw on trans + spinners + troll king / grothdaar and I will hard carry lol also I’m xboxNA

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Iskiab wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

BGs are way different than solo. In BGs I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have the ability to kill a good player solo.

Thing that I’m crutching on is the fear traps breaking up enemy charges. Plus when someone runs over them I either get away or jump them with a Caal proc. People usually aren’t good with assisting, but put someone sub 50% health and it’s a feeding frenzy to get the last hit, that puts them into a defensive downward spiral which gives you some room to be a bit offensive despite being glassy.

I managed one 1v2 but they were new players. If I see a BG regular like MavPK or Mystikkal I run.

Why not? I go in no cloak mnb and do very well vs almost anyone. If I see good teams I don’t run in to a melee AoE fest until I have a meteor but with troll king I can usually face tank anyone and if I time a harvest bow I can typically drop most.

I think PC-NA is different than PC-EU. On PC-NA it’s pretty normal to get zero cross healing from team mates and it’s dominated by stam.

Even when you get mag on your team they’re usually in S&B, if you see a magplar I expect to get zero healing outside ritual and petsorcs never use their pet heals. When you do see a healer it’s pretty common for me to outheal them in a dps spec because they’re in S&B too.

I think with cross healing it can make up for the lack of magblade self healing, but without the cross healing you have to be more careful about engaging. You can lose half your health in a GCD and it takes a good 5 seconds to recover.

I’ll ambush and be aggressive, but I wouldn’t call it brawling. Most players show up in solo 1vX specs so I expect next to no support from them.

I typically have around 3-400k healing on my magsorc and mnb just from resto ults/rapid regen and path. Magsorc I’ll use bloodspawn so more resto ults getting kicked out.

Iskiab

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

BGs are way different than solo. In BGs I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have the ability to kill a good player solo.

Thing that I’m crutching on is the fear traps breaking up enemy charges. Plus when someone runs over them I either get away or jump them with a Caal proc. People usually aren’t good with assisting, but put someone sub 50% health and it’s a feeding frenzy to get the last hit, that puts them into a defensive downward spiral which gives you some room to be a bit offensive despite being glassy.

I managed one 1v2 but they were new players. If I see a BG regular like MavPK or Mystikkal I run.

Why not? I go in no cloak mnb and do very well vs almost anyone. If I see good teams I don’t run in to a melee AoE fest until I have a meteor but with troll king I can usually face tank anyone and if I time a harvest bow I can typically drop most.

I think PC-NA is different than PC-EU. On PC-NA it’s pretty normal to get zero cross healing from team mates and it’s dominated by stam.

Even when you get mag on your team they’re usually in S&B, if you see a magplar I expect to get zero healing outside ritual and petsorcs never use their pet heals. When you do see a healer it’s pretty common for me to outheal them in a dps spec because they’re in S&B too.

I think with cross healing it can make up for the lack of magblade self healing, but without the cross healing you have to be more careful about engaging. You can lose half your health in a GCD and it takes a good 5 seconds to recover.

I’ll ambush and be aggressive, but I wouldn’t call it brawling. Most players show up in solo 1vX specs so I expect next to no support from them.

I typically have around 3-400k healing on my magsorc and mnb just from resto ults/rapid regen and path. Magsorc I’ll use bloodspawn so more resto ults getting kicked out.

Being support/dps has become my status quo. Ever since the last patch I think a lot of BG regulars quit, there are maybe 30 players total on the server left who’d I’d say are good.

I’ve had games where I healed for more than the rest of my team’s entire damage combined. BGs are in a funny spot on PC-NA, I don’t know how it became like this but some healers will only pump out like 200k healing while others hit 2 million. Maybe there are pvp guilds giving trash advice or something, because the average player these days on PC-NA is horrible. The gap between a good and average player is huge.

Mayrael

Kalixte wrote: »

Ecfigies wrote: »

NMA/Lich/BRP Resto/Bloodspawn or 1 chudan and 1 pirate skeleton. Heavy Armor probably.

But since mostly of NB Skills has kinda a delay now to be casted, or at least has to wait the full animation to work, might be the best idea avoid PVP, mostly with any class, it's impossible to have fun rn.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvgpVz6ERo

You kidding? Meta is - at least - 2 proc sets: Zaan, Caluurion, choose whatever you want last. This is well representing the poor state of the class.

Not whatever. There are 2 viable options. Defensive one - Pariah or Offensive one Spinner (spinner because it gives you most penetration which will buff your proc damage the most), NMA is also solid choice.

In general the aboves are the most common setups you can find in Cyrodiil currently (when it goes to magblade ofc). Its pretty old setup, I remember that someone used it right after Zaan introduction on me (Zavos???), can't remember exactly, but current "glory" of this setup was brought back by @Heresyall.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/507930/video-outnumbered-magicka-nightblade-dragonhold-feat-zaan

Iskiab

I’ve noticed more magblades in BGs, and they’ve been using the traps to good effect too and doing okayish. Gomapurin for one, don’t think I’ve ever seen that person on a magblade before.

I’d be interesting to see what they think of the relative performance of magblade.

Stealth being broken by any pet is probably the biggest issue atm. Hopefully that’s a bug and will be fixed, it prevents any offensive setups because the pets stay on the caster, but there’s still some room to play defensively and counter attack because the pets don’t follow people if they push.

Kadoin

Iskiab wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

BGs are way different than solo. In BGs I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have the ability to kill a good player solo.

Thing that I’m crutching on is the fear traps breaking up enemy charges. Plus when someone runs over them I either get away or jump them with a Caal proc. People usually aren’t good with assisting, but put someone sub 50% health and it’s a feeding frenzy to get the last hit, that puts them into a defensive downward spiral which gives you some room to be a bit offensive despite being glassy.

I managed one 1v2 but they were new players. If I see a BG regular like MavPK or Mystikkal I run.

Why not? I go in no cloak mnb and do very well vs almost anyone. If I see good teams I don’t run in to a melee AoE fest until I have a meteor but with troll king I can usually face tank anyone and if I time a harvest bow I can typically drop most.

I think PC-NA is different than PC-EU. On PC-NA it’s pretty normal to get zero cross healing from team mates and it’s dominated by stam.

Even when you get mag on your team they’re usually in S&B, if you see a magplar I expect to get zero healing outside ritual and petsorcs never use their pet heals. When you do see a healer it’s pretty common for me to outheal them in a dps spec because they’re in S&B too.

I think with cross healing it can make up for the lack of magblade self healing, but without the cross healing you have to be more careful about engaging. You can lose half your health in a GCD and it takes a good 5 seconds to recover.

I’ll ambush and be aggressive, but I wouldn’t call it brawling. Most players show up in solo 1vX specs so I expect next to no support from them.

I typically have around 3-400k healing on my magsorc and mnb just from resto ults/rapid regen and path. Magsorc I’ll use bloodspawn so more resto ults getting kicked out.

Being support/dps has become my status quo. Ever since the last patch I think a lot of BG regulars quit, there are maybe 30 players total on the server left who’d I’d say are good.

I’ve had games where I healed for more than the rest of my team’s entire damage combined. BGs are in a funny spot on PC-NA, I don’t know how it became like this but some healers will only pump out like 200k healing while others hit 2 million. Maybe there are pvp guilds giving trash advice or something, because the average player these days on PC-NA is horrible. The gap between a good and average player is huge.

Well people ask for help with PvP build on PC NA, then you help them and show them, then they say that you're wrong and call you a noob. I'm sure you have experienced that before on PC NA...

Player arrogance and know-it-all mentality is far greater this patch. Even after proving them wrong with a duel or demonstration they still ignore you When that happens, I just say nothing and ignore them when they ask for any help again.

exeeter702

Kadoin wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

BGs are way different than solo. In BGs I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have the ability to kill a good player solo.

Thing that I’m crutching on is the fear traps breaking up enemy charges. Plus when someone runs over them I either get away or jump them with a Caal proc. People usually aren’t good with assisting, but put someone sub 50% health and it’s a feeding frenzy to get the last hit, that puts them into a defensive downward spiral which gives you some room to be a bit offensive despite being glassy.

I managed one 1v2 but they were new players. If I see a BG regular like MavPK or Mystikkal I run.

Why not? I go in no cloak mnb and do very well vs almost anyone. If I see good teams I don’t run in to a melee AoE fest until I have a meteor but with troll king I can usually face tank anyone and if I time a harvest bow I can typically drop most.

I think PC-NA is different than PC-EU. On PC-NA it’s pretty normal to get zero cross healing from team mates and it’s dominated by stam.

Even when you get mag on your team they’re usually in S&B, if you see a magplar I expect to get zero healing outside ritual and petsorcs never use their pet heals. When you do see a healer it’s pretty common for me to outheal them in a dps spec because they’re in S&B too.

I think with cross healing it can make up for the lack of magblade self healing, but without the cross healing you have to be more careful about engaging. You can lose half your health in a GCD and it takes a good 5 seconds to recover.

I’ll ambush and be aggressive, but I wouldn’t call it brawling. Most players show up in solo 1vX specs so I expect next to no support from them.

I typically have around 3-400k healing on my magsorc and mnb just from resto ults/rapid regen and path. Magsorc I’ll use bloodspawn so more resto ults getting kicked out.

Being support/dps has become my status quo. Ever since the last patch I think a lot of BG regulars quit, there are maybe 30 players total on the server left who’d I’d say are good.

I’ve had games where I healed for more than the rest of my team’s entire damage combined. BGs are in a funny spot on PC-NA, I don’t know how it became like this but some healers will only pump out like 200k healing while others hit 2 million. Maybe there are pvp guilds giving trash advice or something, because the average player these days on PC-NA is horrible. The gap between a good and average player is huge.

Well people ask for help with PvP build on PC NA, then you help them and show them, then they say that you're wrong and call you a noob. I'm sure you have experienced that before on PC NA...

Player arrogance and know-it-all mentality is far greater this patch. Even after proving them wrong with a duel or demonstration they still ignore you When that happens, I just say nothing and ignore them when they ask for any help again.

I assure you, these forums are no different.

Sparr0w

Use proc sets that proc from light attacks because skills dont work.

daemonor

Calurions legacy+spinners+zaan and maelstrom resto backbar. Inb4 I get *** for being lowrated, I doubt top rated players need forum advice. Go in with the good old crippling grasp+ambush+fear+incap combo from stealth, it doesnt work against players who are experienced but can catch alot of people offguard and CC break is pretty buggy this patch.