Snipe, the ultimate "I win" button.

MCBIZZLE300

Still don't understand how this skill has not been further nerfed. It has the potential to hit a player for 10-12k, has an insane range and desyncs your health so you have no idea its coming at all. Draining shot gets nerfed to hell for bieng an "I win" button yet snipe has always massively over performed. It promotes the worst type of gameplay as you have no idea its coming half the time. I'd love a dev comment on what their view of snipe and its morphs are. More tooltip than dizzying swing yet you don't have to be anywhere near the enemy. Makes no sense to me, the amount of sniper only nightblades in cyrodiil is insane and all they have to do is spam it from a far. If thats not an I win button i dont know what is.

Karmen

another cry about this skills which has been nerfed already ?

Just stop the music, start listening and you can easily block/dodge it.

olsborg

Karmen wrote: »

another cry about this skills which has been nerfed already ?

Just stop the music, start listening and you can easily block/dodge it.

Thats the thing tho, if you actually read anything...

MCBIZZLE300 wrote: »

It has the potential to hit a player for 10-12k, has an insane range and desyncs your health so you have no idea its coming at all.

Id wanna nerf the dmg the further away you are from your target. Also needs to get fixed so it doesnt desync anymore.

MaxJrFTW

Imagine complaining about snipe in 2020.

I hate to be that guy, but this is obviously a l2p issue.

Carespanker

Spell wall and laugh as the bow boi kills themself. (Twice as effective if they use bow ulti)

And just like that the snipe meta is useless.

Haquor

Def fix desync issues. We can all agree on that. Huge damage nerf into uselessness is the only thing that will stop these threads.

Unless your break free is on the money you will still likely get hit by 2 of them for up to 10-12k each (from someone built for nothing but that) and due to a time of flight of the skill the second one will also land at the same time as whatever instant cast/light attack weave is available to the sniper. Usually shards. That second snipe and the instant skill will land as you breakfree or befofe basically wrecking you.

If you are not buffed up or tanky by default and you are generally an unaware player its likely you will die.

Here is the thing. If you are blocking, or sodge, or are buffed, the snipe will be a fail. If you pop a detect potion or aoe or If you lay a hand on that sniper who is built to burst like that then they will likely explode. Unless they are very efficient. And i have come across only a few that are actually good at timing. Most people stupidly spam snipe until they get destroyed because the messaging is that it is an instant win button.

Any fool who stands there spamming it is easily countered and if you are unable to block, line of sight, heal, punch in face, cc etc then its not so much a problem with snipe.

I play everything and i see how to build a bowtard and i know its limitations. Unless im afk or doing something stupid i dont think any of my guys have died consitently to snipe. I know i will occasionally get one shot by a competent ganker. But snipe generally doesnt bother me in combat as much as a myriad of other things from opponents.

universal_wrath

Carespanker wrote: »

Spell wall and laugh as the bow boi kills themself. (Twice as effective if they use bow ulti)

And just like that the snipe meta is useless.

Limiting your self for sword and board or any playstyle to fight a specific build is bad design of game imo, unless you like to play that way then it is a different matter.

It hits hard and reaches too far to be a spammable skill. However, As much as I hate the skill and the people who use it, I don't remmember the last time I was killed by a sniper. They put lots of pressure, but they almost never kill, most kills are by teammate. My opinion is based on my exp in BGs, I don't know what it is like in cyro or IC.

Freakin_Hytte

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Imagine complaining about snipe in 2020.

I hate to be that guy, but this is obviously a l2p issue.

I don't have a problem with snipers since there are not so many of them. But a skill that often de-syncs and hits 3-4 within one second is not a l2p issue since there is absolutely no way to deal with it.

zDan

People saying L2P are obviously snipe gankers or zerg surfers... Try avoiding 2+ people sniping you multiple times whilst being outnumbered and dealing with other people, you cant simply 'L2P' whilst being desynced by a broken skill lmao yet zos refuse to acknowledge it

Beardimus

MCBIZZLE300 wrote: »

Still don't understand how this skill has not been further nerfed. It has the potential to hit a player for 10-12k, has an insane range and desyncs your health so you have no idea its coming at all. Draining shot gets nerfed to hell for bieng an "I win" button yet snipe has always massively over performed. It promotes the worst type of gameplay as you have no idea its coming half the time. I'd love a dev comment on what their view of snipe and its morphs are. More tooltip than dizzying swing yet you don't have to be anywhere near the enemy. Makes no sense to me, the amount of sniper only nightblades in cyrodiil is insane and all they have to do is spam it from a far. If thats not an I win button i dont know what is.

Dear @MCBIZZLE300 as you have seen already there are a large number of folks who deny the snipe bug exists. It very clearly does, and we all know it.

Really I don't think it needs a nerf, it needs fixing. But I'd take a nerf if they won't / cant fix it. Rune Cage was bugged, when it got buffed (2018) the world went mad. Within one patch they gave it a quadruple nerf rather than fix it. It's still buggy but less folks use it lol.

This is what the guys that can't L2P and rely on snipe fear, hence you will get alot of push back.

However, for your sanity, the class reps and ZOS themselves (Gina) have acknowledged that snip has a desync bug. You are correct.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458143/snipe-stacking-health-desync-exploit/p1

The link to Gina's comment is in there.

Kilcosu

I have a nightblade bowtard that goes into
cp cyrodiil about once a month for the tier one rewards and 9/10 times I'm absolutely cooked by the time 25k ap comes.

there are those who do get two shot by a snipe combo. But generally those kills are few and far between, *most* players know how to counter a snipe spammer.

I won't defend health desync or what not just know that it's not a lot better on the other side of the fence unless you main a sniper (they are a different breed)

MCBIZZLE300

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Imagine complaining about snipe in 2020.

I hate to be that guy, but this is obviously a l2p issue.

Ah another elitist counter productive l2p comment, excellent.
Looks like most people agree with me bud.

vamp_emily

@MCBIZZLE300 what are you doing wrong?

Carespanker

MCBIZZLE300 wrote: »

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MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Imagine complaining about snipe in 2020.

I hate to be that guy, but this is obviously a l2p issue.

Ah another elitist counter productive l2p comment, excellent.
Looks like most people agree with me bud.

But he has 8 agree's and you have 2.... wat.

vamp_emily wrote: »

@MCBIZZLE300 what are you doing wrong?

Well counting first of all.

UppGRAYxDD

10-12k lmao
This was this patch too...

jadarock

zDan wrote: »

People saying L2P are obviously snipe gankers or zerg surfers... Try avoiding 2+ people sniping you multiple times whilst being outnumbered and dealing with other people, you cant simply 'L2P' whilst being desynced by a broken skill lmao yet zos refuse to acknowledge it

desync is the issue not snipe. its no different than two sorcs pew pewing from range when outnumbered

EmEm_Oh

Invis pots are ur friend. Also, try to buff one's self in conspicuous areas where a sniper has a good line of sight...but yet places to hide.

Royaji

zDan wrote: »

Try avoiding 2+ people sniping you multiple times whilst being outnumbered and dealing with other people you cant simply 'L2P'...

Sounds like the kind of situation where you should be at an extreme disadvantage. L2P can help prevent ever finding yourself in this kind of situation.

zDan wrote: »

...whilst being desynced by a broken skill lmao yet zos refuse to acknowledge it

They did acknowledge desyncs caused by Snipe but at this point they should definitely be fixing them. Sooner rather than later.

jadarock

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

10-12k lmao
This was this patch too...

Sure if you're built for snipe and versus noob low cp and divines wearing glass cannons.
You arent doing that to most competitive properly built players in cyrodiil . Let's not forget that sniper is squishy too...

Gilvoth

snipe is weakest damage in eso.
snipe needs buffed and increased, not nerfed.

Joy_Division

Gilvoth wrote: »

snipe is weakest damage in eso.
snipe needs buffed and increased, not nerfed.

LOL, posts a death recap during the days of Veteran Level 12.

I do miss badgradma, and since the screenshot taker killed him I say they got what was coming to them

Karmen

Gilvoth wrote: »

snipe is weakest damage in eso.
snipe needs buffed and increased, not nerfed.

omg you didnt set off your addons

Gilvoth

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

10-12k lmao
This was this patch too...

obviously that guy was not wearing impen. and he is also Only 560 CP, hes an easy kill for anyone.
not everyones build is good for pvp.
Low level CP are easy target

Karmen

Gilvoth wrote: »

Low level CP are easy target

oh man.
i'm not.

Gilvoth

Karmen wrote: »

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Gilvoth wrote: »

Low level CP are easy target

oh man.
i'm not.

the guy that got killed in that gif is only 560 CP, not you,
the low cp level character in the gif. not the person, the build is what being pointed out.
the only reason pointing this out is to show that it is easy to get high damage numbers on low CP level because low CP level is not MAXED out in defenses and damage output like the guy killing him.

it proves that is easy to get high damage numbers from snipe on a target that is not completely high in defenses like the rest of us are.

Beardimus

Gilvoth wrote: »

snipe needs buffed

Fix it's broken desync and you might be right.

But right of they can't fix it, nerf it.

ZarkingFrued

Skill makes no sense in the game we play, but if you say anything a bunch of players get mad that you want to take away their no counterplay playstyle. You literally don't even need to fine target a player like in a shooter, and you can hit them like a truck just kind of aiming at them. Best part is the desync where you don't even know you're being sniped. Even when the skill effect (and drop in health) shows on your screen it's a very easily missed animation. Alot of players realize the only chance they have at getting kills is to exploit this skill so they defend it here vigorously and violenty any time a forum post is made about it. ZoS seems to encourage all of this as well.

LeHarrt91

Snipe is ok when it works properly as you should have at least 1s between each snipe to react but more often than not it registers 3-5 hits in a second. They need to look at how snipe is affected behind the scenes, to many times when its not that laggy, i have been hit, died in 1-2s then once my body has hit the ground i see a few arrows hit my dead body.

x48rph

Beardimus wrote: »

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Gilvoth wrote: »

snipe needs buffed

Fix it's broken desync and you might be right.

But right of they can't fix it, nerf it.

Um, no. Nerfing is not fixing, that's just trying to cover up a bug. Stuff should never be nerfed just to avoid fixing it. Not to mention, people would still get hit with 4 or 5 of them in what seems like less than a second and come here and post about it being broken regardless.

Squidgaurd

MCBIZZLE300 wrote: »

Still don't understand how this skill has not been further nerfed. It has the potential to hit a player for 10-12k, has an insane range and desyncs your health so you have no idea its coming at all. Draining shot gets nerfed to hell for bieng an "I win" button yet snipe has always massively over performed. It promotes the worst type of gameplay as you have no idea its coming half the time. I'd love a dev comment on what their view of snipe and its morphs are. More tooltip than dizzying swing yet you don't have to be anywhere near the enemy. Makes no sense to me, the amount of sniper only nightblades in cyrodiil is insane and all they have to do is spam it from a far. If thats not an I win button i dont know what is.

honestly it isnt even hitting hard this patch it used to be it would take chunks of you life or leave you almost dead on one or two shots but now it doesnt even hit as hard as silver shards(im a vamp so i take 6k silver shards sometimes) like it isnt as bad honestly.

Beardimus

x48rph wrote: »

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Beardimus wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

snipe needs buffed

Fix it's broken desync and you might be right.

But right of they can't fix it, nerf it.

Um, no. Nerfing is not fixing, that's just trying to cover up a bug. Stuff should never be nerfed just to avoid fixing it. Not to mention, people would still get hit with 4 or 5 of them in what seems like less than a second and come here and post about it being broken regardless.

Agreed, but theres no fix in sight.

And nerf instead of fix is exactly what they did with rune cage. Folks don't moan about that now as hardly anyone runs it it's so dire.