Thank you for buffing town guards!

Nerouyn

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Apparently it's not suspicious at all to squat....

When you gotta go, you gotta go.

EmEm_Oh

Aznarb wrote: »

I always find stupid to see guard that strong.
I mean, you're a hero with incredible power, you kill dangerous boss that can obliterate an army.

And you can't kill a simple town guard.
Why the hell do we have to take any risk ? Just send a guard to vSS, gonna get the godslayer easy.

RP wise (not a rp player but a bit of coherence is still welcome) it always bug me..

Yeah, what should happen is if you kill a guard...an army is sent to destroy you.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Octopuss wrote: »

Has anyone ever tried to kill a guard? I mean like a group of few tens of people attacking one.

Yup. We all tried that at some stage when the justice system first came out in 2015.
And no, it doesn't work. If there are enough people, yes we can bring his health down (quicker than he does ours), but when he reaches 1% or something close to zero, he comes back to 100% and we're back to square one. They're literally unkillable.

Nerouyn

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Yup. We all tried that at some stage when the justice system first came out in 2015.
And no, it doesn't work. If there are enough people, yes we can bring his health down (quicker than he does ours), but when he reaches 1% or something close to zero, he comes back to 100% and we're back to square one. They're literally unkillable.

Sound suspiciously like witches, who you have to drown, see.

And notice how they never follow you into water?

spartaxoxo

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

I'm glad that we finally see an example that this game does not go down the road of casual pampering and remains some hard or endgame content.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Please make sure that the town guard buff makes its way into the next changelog, so that casuals don't complain about the recent changes being a bug, thank you.

I always love when scrubs complain about casual content being catered to casuals. Those of us actually doing difficult content don't lack for a challenge. A new trial, vet DLC and their hardmodes, pvp. It's there when we want it.

Nerouyn

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I always love when scrubs complain about casual content being catered to casuals. Those of us actually doing difficult content don't lack for a challenge. A new trial, vet DLC and their hardmodes, pvp. It's there when we want it.

If you find those challenging and enjoy them, good for you.

But a lot of people don't play not because they're too hard, but because they're eg. too boring. Or other reasons.

tim99

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Octopuss wrote: »

Has anyone ever tried to kill a guard? I mean like a group of few tens of people attacking one.

Yup. We all tried that at some stage when the justice system first came out in 2015.
And no, it doesn't work. If there are enough people, yes we can bring his health down (quicker than he does ours), but when he reaches 1% or something close to zero, he comes back to 100% and we're back to square one. They're literally unkillable.

u should have reported them. possibly most guards using cheat engine...

Zulera301

VDoom1 wrote: »

My guild tried to kill a guard in Riften once, check it out. Was totally hysterical. I love what the guildmaster did with this video. xDD

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BSxn3FQ7OOM

do you by chance know the addon/setting for how he saw the HP numbers in full (ie: 10204770 instead of just "10.2m")?

nafensoriel

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

I found that after the update town guards are stronger than before. They have better detection and use alliance war skills to uncover criminals who try to escape them.

Well, this behaviour is not mentioned in the changelog and could be considered a bug.

However, I welcome this change. It widens the gap between casual and professional criminals and grants a dishonest income only to those who put effort to it.

Guess what happens when the server doesnt have bottlenecks? Things that are supposed to happen at X tick actually happen!

Linaleah

Nestor wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

I always find stupid to see guard that strong.
I mean, you're a hero with incredible power, you kill dangerous boss that can obliterate an army.

Meridia's Light is the reason you can defeat Molag Bal. You are buffed up 10X. And you only get this after sacrificing one of your Companions, and have in your possession the Amulet of Kings to channel that power. None of these apply outside of that fight.

After that fight is over, you are just a scrub who can self resurrect

the problem with this reasoning is that it makes guards stronger then dragons. because when a group of 12 players can kill a dragon... but can NOT kill a guard? with no meridia's light or anything of that nature involved... it's just silly.

Dusk_Coven

Linaleah wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

I always find stupid to see guard that strong.
I mean, you're a hero with incredible power, you kill dangerous boss that can obliterate an army.

Meridia's Light is the reason you can defeat Molag Bal. You are buffed up 10X. And you only get this after sacrificing one of your Companions, and have in your possession the Amulet of Kings to channel that power. None of these apply outside of that fight.

After that fight is over, you are just a scrub who can self resurrect

the problem with this reasoning is that it makes guards stronger then dragons. because when a group of 12 players can kill a dragon... but can NOT kill a guard? with no meridia's light or anything of that nature involved... it's just silly.

But it's also silly that you can massacre most of the people of Auridon and basically have no consequence anywhere else in the game. People just "forget" that you killed most of a town? <.<

Unkillable guards are a consequence of extreme player behavior that ruins plausible immersion. Even then, they aren't working well enough.

Linaleah

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

I always find stupid to see guard that strong.
I mean, you're a hero with incredible power, you kill dangerous boss that can obliterate an army.

Meridia's Light is the reason you can defeat Molag Bal. You are buffed up 10X. And you only get this after sacrificing one of your Companions, and have in your possession the Amulet of Kings to channel that power. None of these apply outside of that fight.

After that fight is over, you are just a scrub who can self resurrect

the problem with this reasoning is that it makes guards stronger then dragons. because when a group of 12 players can kill a dragon... but can NOT kill a guard? with no meridia's light or anything of that nature involved... it's just silly.

But it's also silly that you can massacre most of the people of Auridon and basically have no consequence anywhere else in the game. People just "forget" that you killed most of a town? <.<

Unkillable guards are a consequence of extreme player behavior that ruins plausible immersion. Even then, they aren't working well enough.

consequence is bounty if you are found. my assumption is that guards are corrupt and can be paid off. that is still immersive enough. guards that are tougher to kill then dragons when attacked by players but fold over immediately when attacked by dragons is just too much of a dissonance.

xshatox

Good.
I don't like the sound of NPC dying when someone murder them.
I am actually in favour bounty by other player but this will be difficult to implement in normal zone.

Jyiiga

Guards have always been a sore spot for me. Really kills immersion when dealing with immortal bots that 1 shot players after 30 seconds. Completely off the wall stupid. I can't believe no one had a better idea.

Dusk_Coven

When your murder bounty is too big, really, Witcher 2 had the proper immersive solution

https://youtu.be/GfQBkJAfHYw?t=12

MattT1988

Proper gameplay is more important then your “immersion”. The game would be an absolute farce if you could just massacre all the guards in a town.

M_Volsung

code65536 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

I always find stupid to see guard that strong.
I mean, you're a hero with incredible power, you kill dangerous boss that can obliterate an army.

Meridia's Light is the reason you can defeat Molag Bal. You are buffed up 10X. And you only get this after sacrificing one of your Companions, and have in your possession the Amulet of Kings to channel that power. None of these apply outside of that fight.

After that fight is over, you are just a scrub who can self resurrect

Meh, that sacrifice was so overrated. I hoped to rid myself of that shirtless oaf, but he turned up alive and well in Senchal.

My favorite was in an article on the website that was meant to be written by Abnur Tharn where he refers to him as "the beard that walks like a man".

VDoom1

@Zulera301 Not sure, I think it's Foundry Tactical Combat. It has that feature.

xshatox

MattT1988 wrote: »

Proper gameplay is more important then your “immersion”. The game would be an absolute farce if you could just massacre all the guards in a town.

Exactly my man.
This is an online gaming where the NPC not only just for you but also for other player. Granted they will spawn but their corpse will linger for a while and sometime you want to talk to NPC just for immersion (not quest NPC) and suddenly a player kill them.

spartaxoxo

Nerouyn wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I always love when scrubs complain about casual content being catered to casuals. Those of us actually doing difficult content don't lack for a challenge. A new trial, vet DLC and their hardmodes, pvp. It's there when we want it.

If you find those challenging and enjoy them, good for you.

But a lot of people don't play not because they're too hard, but because they're eg. too boring. Or other reasons.

Uh. Sure. And Questing is so much more challenging and interesting than a Vet Trial. LMAO I didn't state they were "too hard" I stated they were available for people who want a challenge. Refusing to do the stuff that's challenging and then whining about not having a challenge and wanting to overbuff things meant for newbies and casuals is some scrub bs.

Jaraal

Spaceroamer wrote: »

Octopuss wrote: »

Has anyone ever tried to kill a guard? I mean like a group of few tens of people attacking one.

It’s impossible, I think when the guards reach a low enough HP they do some massive high damage AoE which most assuredly kills 95% of people.

I think there was a video on reddit of 30 people attacking a guard who just obliterates them when he gets to 25%.

Try running the Shadowrend set. When you take damage from the guard, the Clannfear will proc and Minor Maim him/her. Same for werewolf pets and Nightblade pets.

Olupajmibanan

Don't know which skills you are talking about. Chains and Talons were frequently used even before. Revealing Flare as well when you tried Cloaking away, they always threw Revealing Flare at position where they have seen you lastly.

Tommy_The_Gun

caperb wrote: »

Do they also spam negates now?

Yep, and Haunting Curses and they also streak behind you

KMarble

TheFM wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

Guards should not be using stealth detection. that is literally them making the skills you would use to escape worthless.

They should do more damage, and be able to summon more guards if you dont escape in time, but the use of detection skills is one which I hope is patched out ASAP.

Stealth is busted atm. So they prob could see them anyway. It's almost like the Devs removed critical files or something 😬

Thank you for bringing this up.
I wouldn't say stealth is busted, but it's, in my experience, inconsistent. I spent an hour or so stealing on Monday evening and there were situations where I was detected even though there were no reason for that to happen. Getting back into stealth and/or getting NPCs stopping being aware was convoluted and time consuming.

I wasn't playing a NB, nor did I use potions. This is an area I know very well and have been stealing there without problems for a long time.
The NPCs paths didn't change, my char's behavior only changed after I didn't get the results I'm used to. Stealth felt like a lamp with a defective power cord - it would go on and off for no good reason.

Linaleah wrote: »

my assumption is that guards are corrupt and can be paid off.

Of course they are! We can intimidate them to let us walk way, and they get so afraid they messed with the wrong person, they tell all the guards in the area to not touch us for a little while. ;P

darthgummibear_ESO

max_only wrote: »

Guards can’t swim.

No, they just start shooting you with crossbows instead.

EvilAutoTech

I think it's time for Terminator mode. First guard who contacts you with a sufficient bounty (I'm thinking 100k) will slowly chase you until you leave that Alliance. To make it more interesting, porting will be disabled in the zone it happens in. Fun, no?

NordSwordnBoard

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Guards can’t swim.

No, they just start shooting you with crossbows instead.

The only thing better than escaping guards by swimming is escaping crocodiles by swimming.

Sevn

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Nerouyn wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I always love when scrubs complain about casual content being catered to casuals. Those of us actually doing difficult content don't lack for a challenge. A new trial, vet DLC and their hardmodes, pvp. It's there when we want it.

If you find those challenging and enjoy them, good for you.

But a lot of people don't play not because they're too hard, but because they're eg. too boring. Or other reasons.

Uh. Sure. And Questing is so much more challenging and interesting than a Vet Trial. LMAO I didn't state they were "too hard" I stated they were available for people who want a challenge. Refusing to do the stuff that's challenging and then whining about not having a challenge and wanting to overbuff things meant for newbies and casuals is some scrub bs.

This thread is clearly nothing more than an attempt to drudge up the tired argument that content meant for newbies and casuals is too casual and newb friendly lol!

Observe who says what and what their true gripe is, the justice system is just the dead horse they've chosen to bring it back up.

Synaki

Did some thievery yesterday, did not notice any change in town guards. Maybe I am too casual to notice the finer details.

StormeReigns

Synaki wrote: »

Did some thievery yesterday, did not notice any change in town guards. Maybe I am too casual to notice the finer details.

Most of my ingame income is by thievery and pick-pick-stab. Still haven't seen these new details. Kinda disappointed as well. Was hoping for a bit of a challenge. So far nothing as of yet.