Can we please lower the filesize?

Gwahiir · February 2020

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

As with ANY other software you might install, ESO requires space for the initial installable downloaded file, PLUS temporary file space used for unpacking the installable, PLUS the final game folder. The temporary files don't get deleted until the new version has been installed successfully, for fairly obvious reasons. So yes, it's kinda challenging to install if your disk is low on space.

Not exactly true for any software. Many MMOs these days do not do what ESO do and many even let you play the game while it is still downloading the rest of the files.

daemonios · February 2020

Katahdin wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

BloodMagicLord wrote: »

"lower the filesize from 125+ gigs to like 60 or 70?"
I don't think it's reasonable for them to cut their game in half because of a few people playing on potatoes.
There are definitely aspects of the game that need optimizing but people who complain about file size aren't making a reasonable request in my opinion.

Do you even English? Nobody is asking ZOS to cut their game in half. The fact is that their requiring the equivalent of an entry-level SSD just to begin the process of downloading the game, when in the end of requires just over half that.

Katahdin wrote: »

Time to update and add a bigger drive.

Odd thing is the ESO folder on my computer before the update was 62GB so I don't know where the 125 is coming from?

Ah yes. The customer is always guilty of not owning a big enough, powerful enough machine. I'm guessing where you're from either HDDs/SSDs grow in trees, or you can easily afford them. I can too, by the way. Not that I'd spend any more money for the sole sake of ESO.

Every game has minimum specs required to play. If the game is 60 GB, you can't expect it to fit on a 50GB drive or a drive the does not have enough space available after the OS and other necessary programs are installed.

ESO requires more space than solitaire or tetris, and you can't put 5.5 gallons of dog poo in a 5 gallon bucket

So yes, it is up to the user to have a machine capable of running the game.
It is not ZoS's problem if the computer has too small of a hard drive.

Right now a Western Digital 500 GB hard drive can be purchased for $25 on Amazon which is less than what most people pay for one month of Internet service. If that is out if your reach, perhaps you should be doing something other than gaming with your time.

Again for those who don't seem to get it: ESO requires 66 up to around 85gb, but in order to install it you need 125gb free. I don't know of any game with similar requirements. Also, this isn't about me, as I've stated several times before. Finally, expecting players to pay for inefficiency is only going to get us more of the same mentality: if it doesn't run well, throw more resources at it, and crucify whoever dares bring up the subject of optimization.

If you read my entire first post instead of just the first sentence, I said that I don't know why the launcher is asking for 125 GB when the game is 60.

Whether you know or don't is irrelevant, as justifications don't change the fact that the installer requires an unreasonable amount of free space. Some other things you did say, though, include:

Every game has minimum specs required to play (not contested)
If the game is 60 GB, you can't expect it to fit on a 50GB drive (wtf...)
ESO requires more space than solitaire or tetris (patronising much?)
you can't put 5.5 gallons of dog poo in a 5 gallon bucket (again, wtf?)
it is up to the user to have a machine capable of running the game (and I pointed out that the required space to play the game is about half the space needed to start the installer)
It is not ZoS's problem if the computer has too small of a hard drive (especially when they aren't expected to optimise their code, resulting in wasteful requirements)
Right now a Western Digital 500 GB hard drive can be purchased for $25 (as I said, this isn't about me, but I try not to assume what is expensive for people other than me)
If that is out if your reach, perhaps you should be doing something other than gaming with your time. (and conveniently forget that up to today you could run the game, but are stuck unable to patch/reinstall due to the unreasonable requirements of the installer

Katahdin wrote: »

Unless, as another poster suggested it is trying to download the game and the PTS.
they usually don't do both at the same time though so I doubt it.

Regardless, 250GB is very small for what most gaming machines use these days.

You do enjoy assuming what other people should use, don't you? I happen to have a large SSD on my main desktop, but struggled on my older laptop to clear enough space to start the installer. Are you saying I should upgrade a computer to accommodate a wasteful installer for a game that won't even need the space afterwards?

Just for fun I googled ESO's system requirements. This is what their FAQ has to say:

PC Minimum System Requirements:

Operating System: Windows 7 64-bit
Processor: Intel® Core i3 540 or AMD A6-3620 or higher
System RAM: 3GB
Hard Disk Space: 85GB free HDD space
GPU: Direct X 11.0 compliant video card with 1GB RAM (NVIDIA® GeForce® 460 / AMD Radeon™ 6850) or higher
Sound: DirectX compatible sound card
Internet: Internet Broadband Connection

PC Recommended System Requirements:

Operating System: Windows 7 64-bit
Processor: Intel® Core i5 2300 or AMD FX4350
System RAM: 8GB
Hard Disk Space: 85GB free HDD space
GPU: Direct X 11.0 compliant video card with 2GB RAM (NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 750 or AMD Radeon™ HD 7850) or higher
Sound: DirectX compatible sound card
Internet: Internet Broadband Connection

Imagine following those minimum specs and finding yourself unable to even install the game. But hey, it's always your fault, not the publisher, right?

Katahdin · February 2020

daemonios wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

BloodMagicLord wrote: »

"lower the filesize from 125+ gigs to like 60 or 70?"
I don't think it's reasonable for them to cut their game in half because of a few people playing on potatoes.
There are definitely aspects of the game that need optimizing but people who complain about file size aren't making a reasonable request in my opinion.

Do you even English? Nobody is asking ZOS to cut their game in half. The fact is that their requiring the equivalent of an entry-level SSD just to begin the process of downloading the game, when in the end of requires just over half that.

Katahdin wrote: »

Time to update and add a bigger drive.

Odd thing is the ESO folder on my computer before the update was 62GB so I don't know where the 125 is coming from?

Ah yes. The customer is always guilty of not owning a big enough, powerful enough machine. I'm guessing where you're from either HDDs/SSDs grow in trees, or you can easily afford them. I can too, by the way. Not that I'd spend any more money for the sole sake of ESO.

Every game has minimum specs required to play. If the game is 60 GB, you can't expect it to fit on a 50GB drive or a drive the does not have enough space available after the OS and other necessary programs are installed.

ESO requires more space than solitaire or tetris, and you can't put 5.5 gallons of dog poo in a 5 gallon bucket

So yes, it is up to the user to have a machine capable of running the game.
It is not ZoS's problem if the computer has too small of a hard drive.

Right now a Western Digital 500 GB hard drive can be purchased for $25 on Amazon which is less than what most people pay for one month of Internet service. If that is out if your reach, perhaps you should be doing something other than gaming with your time.

Again for those who don't seem to get it: ESO requires 66 up to around 85gb, but in order to install it you need 125gb free. I don't know of any game with similar requirements. Also, this isn't about me, as I've stated several times before. Finally, expecting players to pay for inefficiency is only going to get us more of the same mentality: if it doesn't run well, throw more resources at it, and crucify whoever dares bring up the subject of optimization.

If you read my entire first post instead of just the first sentence, I said that I don't know why the launcher is asking for 125 GB when the game is 60.

Whether you know or don't is irrelevant, as justifications don't change the fact that the installer requires an unreasonable amount of free space. Some other things you did say, though, include:
Every game has minimum specs required to play (not contested)

If the game is 60 GB, you can't expect it to fit on a 50GB drive (wtf...)

ESO requires more space than solitaire or tetris (patronising much?)

you can't put 5.5 gallons of dog poo in a 5 gallon bucket (again, wtf?)

it is up to the user to have a machine capable of running the game (and I pointed out that the required space to play the game is about half the space needed to start the installer)

It is not ZoS's problem if the computer has too small of a hard drive (especially when they aren't expected to optimise their code, resulting in wasteful requirements)

Right now a Western Digital 500 GB hard drive can be purchased for $25 (as I said, this isn't about me, but I try not to assume what is expensive for people other than me)

If that is out if your reach, perhaps you should be doing something other than gaming with your time. (and conveniently forget that up to today you could run the game, but are stuck unable to patch/reinstall due to the unreasonable requirements of the installer

Katahdin wrote: »

Unless, as another poster suggested it is trying to download the game and the PTS.
they usually don't do both at the same time though so I doubt it.

Regardless, 250GB is very small for what most gaming machines use these days.

You do enjoy assuming what other people should use, don't you? I happen to have a large SSD on my main desktop, but struggled on my older laptop to clear enough space to start the installer. Are you saying I should upgrade a computer to accommodate a wasteful installer for a game that won't even need the space afterwards?

Just for fun I googled ESO's system requirements. This is what their FAQ has to say:

PC Minimum System Requirements:

Operating System: Windows 7 64-bit
Processor: Intel® Core i3 540 or AMD A6-3620 or higher
System RAM: 3GB
Hard Disk Space: 85GB free HDD space
GPU: Direct X 11.0 compliant video card with 1GB RAM (NVIDIA® GeForce® 460 / AMD Radeon™ 6850) or higher
Sound: DirectX compatible sound card
Internet: Internet Broadband Connection

PC Recommended System Requirements:

Operating System: Windows 7 64-bit
Processor: Intel® Core i5 2300 or AMD FX4350
System RAM: 8GB
Hard Disk Space: 85GB free HDD space
GPU: Direct X 11.0 compliant video card with 2GB RAM (NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 750 or AMD Radeon™ HD 7850) or higher
Sound: DirectX compatible sound card
Internet: Internet Broadband Connection

Imagine following those minimum specs and finding yourself unable to even install the game. But hey, it's always your fault, not the publisher, right?

Wasn't referring to you but since you want to make it about you. Anyone that has run computers for any of time knows you never want to have any drive filled close to max capacity because it will slow things down. So if you have 85GB left and you need to install 85GB, I'd say yes, its time to clean things out or time for a bigger or additional drive to run your games on. I prefer to not run my machines to the absolute max. You may prefer to manage your machines differently but that's your choice.

Which game version are those "minium specs" for?

If it's the original version from 2014/2015 (it is I googled the same info), the game has had a lot of additions since then and those numbers are no longer relevant.

You have a problem with the launcher wanting 125GB to download the update, take it up with ZoS. Arguing with me won't do you any good. If your machine cant handle it and you feel it's unjustified that you should need a bigger drive/faster machine, you can always choose to not play. I'd prefer a game that has better graphics than 8 bit and that continues to get updates and content instead of stopping all development because people refuse to add drive space or upgrade when they need to. They are working on getting the game in a better state. Its a big job and will take a good bit of time but they are working on it one step at a time. All of us are just going to have to be patient and let them do what they have to do.

Same thing happened when ZoS stopped supporting DX10. A lot of people couldnt play the game any more.
Those people had to either upgrade or quit. Im sure some did both. The devs felt it was the right thing to do so they could continue advancing the game even if some people couldnt play any more.

In any case, Im done arguing with you. You have your opinion, I have mine, lets just leave it at that.

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RefLiberty · February 2020

daemonios wrote: »

Again for those who don't seem to get it: ESO requires 66 up to around 85gb, but in order to install it you need 125gb free. I don't know of any game with similar requirements. Also, this isn't about me, as I've stated several times before. Finally, expecting players to pay for inefficiency is only going to get us more of the same mentality: if it doesn't run well, throw more resources at it, and crucify whoever dares bring up the subject of optimization.

WoW is around 70-75 GB in size full. Since it is not voiced over and including crap textures, ESO is compressed well enough.

Regarding this particular patch, and not just in ESO but in any other game.

When patch of this type is distributed, where the whole game is going to be replaced, it works in a way that launcher is downloading the game image that is in compressed state, once it is downloaded the script execute that starts to apply the patch in a way that it is uncompressing the image > copy/overwrite and delete

So basically you have:

1. Existing installation > Space already taken
2. Downloading the new image > Space required for full image
3. New image getting uncompressed > additional extra Temporary space required (buffer space) to store data that is uncompressed and getting handled for script
> Sub process: overwrite - delete
4. Cleanup: deleting temporary storage and image iteslf.

No way to do this differently.

RefLiberty · February 2020

Gwahiir wrote: »

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

As with ANY other software you might install, ESO requires space for the initial installable downloaded file, PLUS temporary file space used for unpacking the installable, PLUS the final game folder. The temporary files don't get deleted until the new version has been installed successfully, for fairly obvious reasons. So yes, it's kinda challenging to install if your disk is low on space.

Not exactly true for any software. Many MMOs these days do not do what ESO do and many even let you play the game while it is still downloading the rest of the files.

That is not quite true.
It is applicable when you are downloading the new content, not replacing the core files and whole installation.

Lets take the WoW for example.
When you downloading the core files you are unable to play the game, until the point of 65-75% when the launcher will notify you that you can play the game but with reduced experience or details or some content will be unavailable, as you play, the launcher will download the rest of the files.
This situation is different, as it was messing with full installation, including core files.

Gwahiir · February 2020

RefLiberty wrote: »

Gwahiir wrote: »

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

As with ANY other software you might install, ESO requires space for the initial installable downloaded file, PLUS temporary file space used for unpacking the installable, PLUS the final game folder. The temporary files don't get deleted until the new version has been installed successfully, for fairly obvious reasons. So yes, it's kinda challenging to install if your disk is low on space.

Not exactly true for any software. Many MMOs these days do not do what ESO do and many even let you play the game while it is still downloading the rest of the files.

That is not quite true.
It is applicable when you are downloading the new content, not replacing the core files and whole installation.

Lets take the WoW for example.
When you downloading the core files you are unable to play the game, until the point of 65-75% when the launcher will notify you that you can play the game but with reduced experience or details or some content will be unavailable, as you play, the launcher will download the rest of the files.
This situation is different, as it was messing with full installation, including core files.

Well I said it will let you play the game while it is downloading the rest of the files, so clearly some have already been downloaded. I may not have went in to the streaming client's mechanics of how it all works, what's core and what isn't, but the point I was making is there are other MMOs that do not act in the same way the ESO launcher does.

RecktrithiusOediphitry · March 2020

I can't even install the game anymore. Anyone have any idea what can I do to install it once more when every disc I have on my laptop has maximum space of 119 GB?

Alinhbo_Tyaka · March 2020

Donavarion wrote: »

I can't even install the game anymore. Anyone have any idea what can I do to install it once more when every disc I have on my laptop has maximum space of 119 GB?

About all I can recommend is what I do for a smaller laptop I use when traveling. I copy the installed Zenimax Online directory from my game system and invoke the game exe directly. Before the U25 client update I would not be able to automatically update the game on that system but it might work now with the way ZOS said they restructured the update process.

Katahdin · March 2020

Donavarion wrote: »

I can't even install the game anymore. Anyone have any idea what can I do to install it once more when every disc I have on my laptop has maximum space of 119 GB?

I had the same issue trying to update my laptop because the HD didnt have enough space with the old version of ESO on it.
I ended up uninstalling the game and reinstalling it.
That worked fine.

RecktrithiusOediphitry · March 2020

Heh, I have downloaded game to the external hard drive then moved it to the internal one. Silliness