How much of Western Skyrim are we actually getting?

kensan62_ESO

Is there a map or statement from developers of the actual area we will get to explore? They have been very vague with this and I havent been able to find anything in more detail.

Nomadic_Atmoran

Someone did a map a while ago but I dont remember if I saw it here or on reddit. At least for the Chapter we aren't getting a whole lot although it did appear to be Haafingar and possibly a part of Hjaalmarch.

Ratzkifal

I started playing Skyrim again to explore the rough area of the chapter and check where the borders of the zone would be. It's surprisingly small. I had already forgotten about the huge cliff and waterfall that separates Morthal from Whiterun hold so they'll probably use that cliff as the edge of the zone. That's gonna be the border to the south.
The border to the west will be the Karth river with Dragonbridge with the road into the Reach and Markarth being blocked until Q4.
The border to the north is obviously going to be the sea of ghosts but perhaps we won't even be able to explore the coast line where castle Volkihar would be.

The only thing I haven't gotten around to yet is where they'll draw the border to the east and the Pale. It looks pretty open even if there are some cliffs and mountains there too. It's not as clear cut as Whiterun hold.

Thevampirenight

We are getting the very west of Skyrim.
Haafinger and Hjaalmarch holds which includes Solitude and Morthal, then we are going to get the Reach Forth Quarter. Now given the uniqueness of how this time period is, the Reach is an independent state and would be Western Skyrim only in name. The Nords will not control it and it will be controlled by Savage Bretons called the Reachmen because lorewise they control that area and not the Nords during this time period.

Because of this Greymoor will have a heavy focus on Nords but the Reach might have more of a focus on the Bretonish Reachmen. Of course there will be Nordic content but because of the lore on the area it will more focused on the Reachmen. If Markarth is a city that isn't more like a public dungeon when they add it then we will possibly see Hagraven Vendors and other things that normally wouldn't be allowed when its under Imperial or Nordic Control. Nords if they do live in the city would likely not have the best of times and I can see them living in the Warrens. Or being exploited for Labor mirroring how it was in Tes 5.

Royaji

Considering a large part of the playable area will be underground in Blackreach, it's probably a good idea to tame your expectations quite a bit. It will definitely be the smallest chapter (overland area-wise) to date.

Taleof2Cities

Royaji wrote: »

Considering a large part of the playable area will be underground in Blackreach, it's probably a good idea to tame your expectations quite a bit. It will definitely be the smallest chapter (overland area-wise) to date.

Not only this, but it’s way too early to speculate on the size.

We’ll know for sure mid-April when Greymoor drops on PTS.

ArchMikem

The general area surrounding Solitude and Morthal, as well as Labyrinthian. Markarth will be the Q4 adventure zone.

Ratzkifal

Also about Markarth. The Reachmen there worship Mehrunes Dagon if I am not mistaken.

kensan62_ESO

Thanks for the responses! I suppose the fact they are willing to expand even just alittle of skyrim is something. A game this size should be able to open the entire zones. Missed opportunities with fragmented zones but heres hoping towards a fully fleshed out skyrim zone someday as well as other zones not yet developed.😀

Thevampirenight

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Also about Markarth. The Reachmen there worship Mehrunes Dagon if I am not mistaken.

They worship several of the Daedric Princes and the Primary Prince the Reachman worship is Hircine. But those Reachman living in the cities could gravitate to Molag Bal and Namira. In Skyrim both Namira's Quest and Molag Bal's Quests were located in Markarth and we might see their religious practices gravitate to both of those Princes within the City. I don't think they will be worshiping Dagon. But we might see a tribe that does Worship the Prince in some way or another.

Taleof2Cities

The Peryite shrine was also located in Western Skyrim during the timeline of ESV:Skyrim.

BigBadVolk

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Also about Markarth. The Reachmen there worship Mehrunes Dagon if I am not mistaken.

They worship several of the Daedric Princes and the Primary Prince the Reachman worship is Hircine. But those Reachman living in the cities could gravitate to Molag Bal and Namira. In Skyrim both Namira's Quest and Molag Bal's Quests were located in Markarth and we might see their region gravitate to both of those Princes within the City. I don't think they will be worshiping Dagon. But we might see a tribe that does Worship the Prince in some way or another.

plus the pocket guide which we get for the imp edition mentions that the Despot of Markarth was in league with Worm Cult so maybe at least the ones in Markarth worship Bal

ArchMikem

kensan62_ESO wrote: »

Thanks for the responses! I suppose the fact they are willing to expand even just alittle of skyrim is something. A game this size should be able to open the entire zones. Missed opportunities with fragmented zones but heres hoping towards a fully fleshed out skyrim zone someday as well as other zones not yet developed.😀

Also note that the devs claimed Blackreach will be 40% of the Chapter's playable area. We're not getting more of Skyrim cause nearly half the chapter will be underground.

Thevampirenight

BigBadVolk wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Also about Markarth. The Reachmen there worship Mehrunes Dagon if I am not mistaken.

They worship several of the Daedric Princes and the Primary Prince the Reachman worship is Hircine. But those Reachman living in the cities could gravitate to Molag Bal and Namira. In Skyrim both Namira's Quest and Molag Bal's Quests were located in Markarth and we might see their region gravitate to both of those Princes within the City. I don't think they will be worshiping Dagon. But we might see a tribe that does Worship the Prince in some way or another.

plus the pocket guide which we get for the imp edition mentions that the Despot of Markarth was in league with Worm Cult so maybe at least the ones in Markarth worship Bal

This is another reason why I think their culture might be more aligned with Molag Bal within the city.

My take on the Reachmen from what I know of them. The Reachmen basically mirror the Civilized Bretons and while the Bretons are very civilized the Reachmen are the exact opposite. The Reachmen gravitate to the most savage aspects of the Daedra/Aedra. They could be considered the Closest thing to D&d Orcs who raid pillage and do horrific things in the name of Gruumish. I think Reachmen will be acting the same when it comes to their savagery. (Tes Orcs are more like D&d Dwarves given their tendency to mine and also forge and craft things.)

They threaten the Civilized Bretons of High Rock, Imperials of Cyrodiil, Nords of Skyrim and Orcs of Wrothgar in the same manner the Orcs of D&d tend towards threatening many different kingdoms in the various d&d worlds except Eberron. What we saw in Tes 5 was the most mild version of a very savage Breton offshoot that were forced to be more tame and give up the old ways by the Nords and Imperials. If the Forsworn were successful in tes 5 the natives would have likely go back to their full on savage ways and act like the D&d Orcs of the Forgotten realms and would become a possible threat to the people of High Rock, Wrothgar, Skyrim, and Cyrodiil if left unchecked.

So it will be fascinating to explore into that dynamic and see how savage the Reachmen truly can be. I can see the Reach being more like the Kingdom of Many Arrows from the Forgotten Realms D&d Setting. If we had to put alignment to the Reachman they would be chaotic evil. This would also how their society would likely function when they do live in Cities like the City of Markarth when the Nords or imperial's are not in control.

Ratzkifal

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Also about Markarth. The Reachmen there worship Mehrunes Dagon if I am not mistaken.

They worship several of the Daedric Princes and the Primary Prince the Reachman worship is Hircine. But those Reachman living in the cities could gravitate to Molag Bal and Namira. In Skyrim both Namira's Quest and Molag Bal's Quests were located in Markarth and we might see their religious practices gravitate to both of those Princes within the City. I don't think they will be worshiping Dagon. But we might see a tribe that does Worship the Prince in some way or another.

@Thevampirenight No, the ones in Markarth specifically worship Mehrunes Dagon. There is a Wyrd coven there called "the Markarth sisters" and they get along very well with the Reachmen (unlike their Glenumbra cousins).
Source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Glenmoril_Wyrd

Though the Glenmoril Wyrd are numerically few, geographically they are widespread, from the easternmost Greenspring Coven in central Skyrim to the westernmost coven in the Ilessan Hills of High Rock. Most of the eight or so known covens are adherents of Hircine, but the Hagfeather Coven of western Falkreath reveres Namira, the Markarth Sisters (the only urban coven) worships Mehrunes Dagon, and the aforementioned Fen Witches of Hjaalmarch are followers of Molag Bal.

Relationships with the Reachmen, the other main Daedra-worshipers of the northern wilds, vary from coven to coven and from Reach Clan to Reach Clan. The Hagfeather Coven, the Rimerock Wyrd, and the Markarth Sisters all have cordial relations with the Reachmen, but the western covens of the Ilessan Hills and Viridian Woods have a history of conflict with the Reach Clans that dates back thousands of years. This may be accounted for by the fact that the Ilessan and Viridian Wyrd venerate the less-feral aspects of Hircine, and have even been known to provide cures for lycanthropy, whereas the Reachmen prefer Hircine's more vicious side, celebrating lycanthropy as a gift rather than a curse.

I've researched that because one of my characters was raised by Reachmen.

Thevampirenight

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Also about Markarth. The Reachmen there worship Mehrunes Dagon if I am not mistaken.

They worship several of the Daedric Princes and the Primary Prince the Reachman worship is Hircine. But those Reachman living in the cities could gravitate to Molag Bal and Namira. In Skyrim both Namira's Quest and Molag Bal's Quests were located in Markarth and we might see their religious practices gravitate to both of those Princes within the City. I don't think they will be worshiping Dagon. But we might see a tribe that does Worship the Prince in some way or another.

@Thevampirenight No, the ones in Markath specifically worship Mehrunes Dagon. There is a Wyrd coven there called "the Markarth sisters" and they get along very well with the Reachmen (unlike their Glenumbra cousins).
Source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Glenmoril_Wyrd

Though the Glenmoril Wyrd are numerically few, geographically they are widespread, from the easternmost Greenspring Coven in central Skyrim to the westernmost coven in the Ilessan Hills of High Rock. Most of the eight or so known covens are adherents of Hircine, but the Hagfeather Coven of western Falkreath reveres Namira, the Markarth Sisters (the only urban coven) worships Mehrunes Dagon, and the aforementioned Fen Witches of Hjaalmarch are followers of Molag Bal.

Relationships with the Reachmen, the other main Daedra-worshipers of the northern wilds, vary from coven to coven and from Reach Clan to Reach Clan. The Hagfeather Coven, the Rimerock Wyrd, and the Markarth Sisters all have cordial relations with the Reachmen, but the western covens of the Ilessan Hills and Viridian Woods have a history of conflict with the Reach Clans that dates back thousands of years. This may be accounted for by the fact that the Ilessan and Viridian Wyrd venerate the less-feral aspects of Hircine, and have even been known to provide cures for lycanthropy, whereas the Reachmen prefer Hircine's more vicious side, celebrating lycanthropy as a gift rather than a curse.

I've researched that because one of my characters was raised by Reachmen.

Those are Witchs and there are witches among the Reachmen or work with them.This could be one of the reasons for their nickname of Witchmen. This is more like a typical Witch coven then a clan of Reachmen. Just because there is a coven of Witches does not mean the city gravitates to Dagon.
What it says in the book you linked and your spoiler link.

Though the Glenmoril Wyrd are numerically few, geographically they are widespread, from the easternmost Greenspring Coven in central Skyrim to the westernmost coven in the Ilessan Hills of High Rock. Most of the eight or so known covens are adherents of Hircine, but the Hagfeather Coven of western Falkreath reveres Namira, the Markarth Sisters (the only urban coven) worships Mehrunes Dagon, and the aforementioned Fen Witches of Hjaalmarch are followers of Molag Bal.

Relationships with the Reachmen, the other main Daedra-worshipers of the northern wilds, vary from coven to coven and from Reach Clan to Reach Clan The Hagfeather Coven, the Rimerock Wyrd, and the Markarth Sisters all have cordial relations with the Reachmen, but the western covens of the Ilessan Hills and Viridian Woods have a history of conflict with the Reach Clans that dates back thousands of years. This may be accounted for by the fact that the Ilessan and Viridian Wyrd venerate the less-feral aspects of Hircine, and have even been known to provide cures for lycanthropy, whereas the Reachmen prefer Hircine's more vicious side, celebrating lycanthropy as a gift rather than a curse.


Basically this means there are Dagon Worshiping Witches inside the City of Markarth that doesn't mean anything really. As the Covens and Reachmen Clans are basically like polar opposites of one another. The Clans are not gender exclusive while the Witch Covens are. Meaning the Markarth Sisters could be a minority group within the City of Markarth. Which would fall under the Reachmens control not the Witches. Though there might be Hagraven Advisers and merchants within the City that are not part of a witch coven.

jircris11

kensan62_ESO wrote: »

Is there a map or statement from developers of the actual area we will get to explore? They have been very vague with this and I havent been able to find anything in more detail.

i will tell you this, if your expecting it to be like tes:skyrim i would temper that expectation. much like morrowind (vvardenfell) this is WELL before those games so some places don't exist or some do exist that where not in the single player game. As for how much, it is a year long release so 3 releases in total. im assuming a fairly large chunk of it.

YandereGirlfriend

My favorite place in Skyrim was Hjaalmarch (capital was Morthal) so I'm really excited about seeing it again in all of its frozen bog glory!

Iccotak

Solitude, Morthal, and a Black Reach zone beneath

Ratzkifal

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Also about Markarth. The Reachmen there worship Mehrunes Dagon if I am not mistaken.

They worship several of the Daedric Princes and the Primary Prince the Reachman worship is Hircine. But those Reachman living in the cities could gravitate to Molag Bal and Namira. In Skyrim both Namira's Quest and Molag Bal's Quests were located in Markarth and we might see their religious practices gravitate to both of those Princes within the City. I don't think they will be worshiping Dagon. But we might see a tribe that does Worship the Prince in some way or another.

@Thevampirenight No, the ones in Markath specifically worship Mehrunes Dagon. There is a Wyrd coven there called "the Markarth sisters" and they get along very well with the Reachmen (unlike their Glenumbra cousins).
Source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Glenmoril_Wyrd

Though the Glenmoril Wyrd are numerically few, geographically they are widespread, from the easternmost Greenspring Coven in central Skyrim to the westernmost coven in the Ilessan Hills of High Rock. Most of the eight or so known covens are adherents of Hircine, but the Hagfeather Coven of western Falkreath reveres Namira, the Markarth Sisters (the only urban coven) worships Mehrunes Dagon, and the aforementioned Fen Witches of Hjaalmarch are followers of Molag Bal.

Relationships with the Reachmen, the other main Daedra-worshipers of the northern wilds, vary from coven to coven and from Reach Clan to Reach Clan. The Hagfeather Coven, the Rimerock Wyrd, and the Markarth Sisters all have cordial relations with the Reachmen, but the western covens of the Ilessan Hills and Viridian Woods have a history of conflict with the Reach Clans that dates back thousands of years. This may be accounted for by the fact that the Ilessan and Viridian Wyrd venerate the less-feral aspects of Hircine, and have even been known to provide cures for lycanthropy, whereas the Reachmen prefer Hircine's more vicious side, celebrating lycanthropy as a gift rather than a curse.

I've researched that because one of my characters was raised by Reachmen.

Those are Witchs and there are many witches among the Reachmen which I think gives them their nickname of Witchmen. This is more like a typical coven instead of just the savage tribal culture of the Reachmen. Just because there is a coven of Witches does not mean the city gravitates to Dagon.
What it says in the book you linked and your spoiler link.
[...]
Relationships with the Reachmen, the other main Daedra-worshipers of the northern wilds, vary from coven to coven and from Reach Clan to Reach Clan The Hagfeather Coven, the Rimerock Wyrd, and the Markarth Sisters all have cordial relations with the Reachmen, but the western covens of the Ilessan Hills and Viridian Woods have a history of conflict with the Reach Clans that dates back thousands of years. This may be accounted for by the fact that the Ilessan and Viridian Wyrd venerate the less-feral aspects of Hircine, and have even been known to provide cures for lycanthropy, whereas the Reachmen prefer Hircine's more vicious side, celebrating lycanthropy as a gift rather than a curse.


Basically this means there are Dagon Worshiping Witches inside the City of Markarth that doesn't mean anything really. Because the Reachmen do gravitate towards the Daedra and thus Daedra Worship is mainstream with them.

We can assume the witches there are something like the priests of the Reachmen in Markarth, just like the Hagravens usually are and Hagravens are also often found in Wyrd covens like this one. I can't really see two different cults coexisting in such close proximity.

Doesn't mean they'll exclusively worship Dagon, just like when you are a priest of one of the divines you aren't exactly an atheist towards the other divines. I suspect it will be similar here, they worship Hircine, Namira and Molag Bal as well, but Dagon will be the most important in the city simply because of the coven's presence.

Sylvermynx

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

My favorite place in Skyrim was Hjaalmarch (capital was Morthal) so I'm really excited about seeing it again in all of its frozen bog glory!

Morthal is my Skyrim home. I wrote an entire series of fan-fic books set there. For all that though.... I don't want to see ESO's "take" on same. I'm sure to be disappointed.

Morthal is the only swamp I've ever loved or in which I've felt at home (either in a game or IRL - and IRL, I lived in some MAJOR swamps as a child, in Texas.... cottonmouths in the ditch out front, scorpions crawling up the shower drain - while I was IN the shower.... UGH....)

Sailor_Palutena

We are all expecting something big, but I'm prepared to see something as small as Murkmire.

Sylvermynx

Sailor_Palutena wrote: »

We are all expecting something big, but I'm prepared to see something as small as Murkmire.

Well.... the above ground part isn't likely to be very big. Because most of the chapter is in Blackreach....

Ratzkifal

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Sailor_Palutena wrote: »

We are all expecting something big, but I'm prepared to see something as small as Murkmire.

Well.... the above ground part isn't likely to be very big. Because most of the chapter is in Blackreach....

40%. Technically it's not "most" of it

Thevampirenight

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Also about Markarth. The Reachmen there worship Mehrunes Dagon if I am not mistaken.

They worship several of the Daedric Princes and the Primary Prince the Reachman worship is Hircine. But those Reachman living in the cities could gravitate to Molag Bal and Namira. In Skyrim both Namira's Quest and Molag Bal's Quests were located in Markarth and we might see their religious practices gravitate to both of those Princes within the City. I don't think they will be worshiping Dagon. But we might see a tribe that does Worship the Prince in some way or another.

@Thevampirenight No, the ones in Markath specifically worship Mehrunes Dagon. There is a Wyrd coven there called "the Markarth sisters" and they get along very well with the Reachmen (unlike their Glenumbra cousins).
Source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Glenmoril_Wyrd

Though the Glenmoril Wyrd are numerically few, geographically they are widespread, from the easternmost Greenspring Coven in central Skyrim to the westernmost coven in the Ilessan Hills of High Rock. Most of the eight or so known covens are adherents of Hircine, but the Hagfeather Coven of western Falkreath reveres Namira, the Markarth Sisters (the only urban coven) worships Mehrunes Dagon, and the aforementioned Fen Witches of Hjaalmarch are followers of Molag Bal.

Relationships with the Reachmen, the other main Daedra-worshipers of the northern wilds, vary from coven to coven and from Reach Clan to Reach Clan. The Hagfeather Coven, the Rimerock Wyrd, and the Markarth Sisters all have cordial relations with the Reachmen, but the western covens of the Ilessan Hills and Viridian Woods have a history of conflict with the Reach Clans that dates back thousands of years. This may be accounted for by the fact that the Ilessan and Viridian Wyrd venerate the less-feral aspects of Hircine, and have even been known to provide cures for lycanthropy, whereas the Reachmen prefer Hircine's more vicious side, celebrating lycanthropy as a gift rather than a curse.

I've researched that because one of my characters was raised by Reachmen.

Those are Witchs and there are many witches among the Reachmen which I think gives them their nickname of Witchmen. This is more like a typical coven instead of just the savage tribal culture of the Reachmen. Just because there is a coven of Witches does not mean the city gravitates to Dagon.
What it says in the book you linked and your spoiler link.
[...]
Relationships with the Reachmen, the other main Daedra-worshipers of the northern wilds, vary from coven to coven and from Reach Clan to Reach Clan The Hagfeather Coven, the Rimerock Wyrd, and the Markarth Sisters all have cordial relations with the Reachmen, but the western covens of the Ilessan Hills and Viridian Woods have a history of conflict with the Reach Clans that dates back thousands of years. This may be accounted for by the fact that the Ilessan and Viridian Wyrd venerate the less-feral aspects of Hircine, and have even been known to provide cures for lycanthropy, whereas the Reachmen prefer Hircine's more vicious side, celebrating lycanthropy as a gift rather than a curse.


Basically this means there are Dagon Worshiping Witches inside the City of Markarth that doesn't mean anything really. Because the Reachmen do gravitate towards the Daedra and thus Daedra Worship is mainstream with them.

We can assume the witches there are something like the priests of the Reachmen in Markarth, just like the Hagravens usually are and Hagravens are also often found in Wyrd covens like this one. I can't really see two different cults coexisting in such close proximity.

Doesn't mean they'll exclusively worship Dagon, just like when you are a priest of one of the divines you aren't exactly an atheist towards the other divines. I suspect it will be similar here, they worship Hircine, Namira and Molag Bal as well, but Dagon will be the most important in the city simply because of the coven's presence.

Yes there will likely be the worship of Dagon in the city but here is the thing. Going by the lore https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Reachmen

They primarily worship Hircine, the most primal of the Daedric Princes, although some clans are said to also dedicate ceremonies to Molag Bal, Malacath, Mehrunes Dagon, and Namira.[3][4] Their shamans venerate the Hagraven "matrons", who in turn grant them knowledge of nature magic.[
After the Soulburst in 2E 579, many Reachmen aligned themselves with Molag Bal, and remained powerful enough to launch attacks on the Ebonheart Pact and Daggerfall Covenant's territories, even attacking as far afield as the Rift and Glenumbra.[7] Concurrently, one clan of Reachmen known as the Winterborn fought a lengthy war with the Orcs for control of Wrothgar after King Kurog gro-Bagrakh reestablished Orsinium in the region.

So the lore does say Molag Bal has a large sway over the Reachmen during this time period. Not only that but The Despot of Markarth was in League with Manimarco and the Reachmen were helping the Worm Cult and Molag Bal. So I doubt Dagon is primary worshiped by the Reachmen in Markarth as Molag Bal obviously has the most influence followed by Namira who is also a corrupting influence and the influence is still felt centuries later as there was a Shrine of Molag Bal found in one of the Homes in Markarth in tes 5. Not only the shrine that is most telling about the influence but also Markarth was Neck deep in Corruption including corrupt guards, corrupt merchants/politicians and then an entire coven of Cannibals that corrupted decent folks and also dogs too by feeding them humanoid flesh. >.<
Lore wise Molag Bal is Domination but hes also Corruption and corruption thus falls under his dominion as one of his goals is the Corruption of Mortals. Got a lot of that going around in Markarth in the 4th era. So that is the biggest reason why he would hold sway not Dagon.


Personally I think Mehrunes Dagon has more influence and followers within the Pale and possibly Dawnstar. Not only was the Mythic Dawn Musiem there but also that huge Shrine to Dagon. Which looks old and could even exist in this time period https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Shrine_of_Mehrunes_Dagon . Given the name of Dawn within the Cults name, it could have even originated within the Dawnstar region and might be one of the reasons why the Hall of the Vigilant was set up near the Shrine of Dagon. If they do Dawnstar. I can see Mehrunes Dagon and his followers being part of the overall story or coming across the precursor to the Mythic Dawn Cult that almost brought Tamriel to its Knees.

Nomadic_Atmoran

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Also about Markarth. The Reachmen there worship Mehrunes Dagon if I am not mistaken.

They worship several of the Daedric Princes and the Primary Prince the Reachman worship is Hircine. But those Reachman living in the cities could gravitate to Molag Bal and Namira. In Skyrim both Namira's Quest and Molag Bal's Quests were located in Markarth and we might see their religious practices gravitate to both of those Princes within the City. I don't think they will be worshiping Dagon. But we might see a tribe that does Worship the Prince in some way or another.

@Thevampirenight No, the ones in Markath specifically worship Mehrunes Dagon. There is a Wyrd coven there called "the Markarth sisters" and they get along very well with the Reachmen (unlike their Glenumbra cousins).
Source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Glenmoril_Wyrd

Though the Glenmoril Wyrd are numerically few, geographically they are widespread, from the easternmost Greenspring Coven in central Skyrim to the westernmost coven in the Ilessan Hills of High Rock. Most of the eight or so known covens are adherents of Hircine, but the Hagfeather Coven of western Falkreath reveres Namira, the Markarth Sisters (the only urban coven) worships Mehrunes Dagon, and the aforementioned Fen Witches of Hjaalmarch are followers of Molag Bal.

Relationships with the Reachmen, the other main Daedra-worshipers of the northern wilds, vary from coven to coven and from Reach Clan to Reach Clan. The Hagfeather Coven, the Rimerock Wyrd, and the Markarth Sisters all have cordial relations with the Reachmen, but the western covens of the Ilessan Hills and Viridian Woods have a history of conflict with the Reach Clans that dates back thousands of years. This may be accounted for by the fact that the Ilessan and Viridian Wyrd venerate the less-feral aspects of Hircine, and have even been known to provide cures for lycanthropy, whereas the Reachmen prefer Hircine's more vicious side, celebrating lycanthropy as a gift rather than a curse.

I've researched that because one of my characters was raised by Reachmen.

Those are Witchs and there are many witches among the Reachmen which I think gives them their nickname of Witchmen. This is more like a typical coven instead of just the savage tribal culture of the Reachmen. Just because there is a coven of Witches does not mean the city gravitates to Dagon.
What it says in the book you linked and your spoiler link.
[...]
Relationships with the Reachmen, the other main Daedra-worshipers of the northern wilds, vary from coven to coven and from Reach Clan to Reach Clan The Hagfeather Coven, the Rimerock Wyrd, and the Markarth Sisters all have cordial relations with the Reachmen, but the western covens of the Ilessan Hills and Viridian Woods have a history of conflict with the Reach Clans that dates back thousands of years. This may be accounted for by the fact that the Ilessan and Viridian Wyrd venerate the less-feral aspects of Hircine, and have even been known to provide cures for lycanthropy, whereas the Reachmen prefer Hircine's more vicious side, celebrating lycanthropy as a gift rather than a curse.


Basically this means there are Dagon Worshiping Witches inside the City of Markarth that doesn't mean anything really. Because the Reachmen do gravitate towards the Daedra and thus Daedra Worship is mainstream with them.

We can assume the witches there are something like the priests of the Reachmen in Markarth, just like the Hagravens usually are and Hagravens are also often found in Wyrd covens like this one. I can't really see two different cults coexisting in such close proximity.

Doesn't mean they'll exclusively worship Dagon, just like when you are a priest of one of the divines you aren't exactly an atheist towards the other divines. I suspect it will be similar here, they worship Hircine, Namira and Molag Bal as well, but Dagon will be the most important in the city simply because of the coven's presence.

Well as far as I can find Mehrunes and Molag arent known to be enemies. So there isn't much of a reason to believe that their followers can't co-exist. It says just as much in your link that the Wyrds and Reachmen are known to get along, and I'm assuming that as long as the daedric princes they worship are not enemies they still have friendly interactions.

It stands to reason with the way things are politically during the Interregnum that these groups, regardless of any conflicting beliefs, would find safety together rather than go it alone. Especially if Markarth is the only stronghold in the north that is tolerant of daedric worship. And while the lore on the Reachmen is spotty I'm almost certain that they have their own Hagravens to lead and advise their clans and so far there is no indication that the Markarth Sisters are actually at the center of the Markarth Reachmens leadership.

I'm sure the two groups have a close working relationship if they are sharing the same space. But so far we don't have enough information to really say what daedric prince is at the center of the Reachmens religous ideology.

Thevampirenight

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Also about Markarth. The Reachmen there worship Mehrunes Dagon if I am not mistaken.

They worship several of the Daedric Princes and the Primary Prince the Reachman worship is Hircine. But those Reachman living in the cities could gravitate to Molag Bal and Namira. In Skyrim both Namira's Quest and Molag Bal's Quests were located in Markarth and we might see their religious practices gravitate to both of those Princes within the City. I don't think they will be worshiping Dagon. But we might see a tribe that does Worship the Prince in some way or another.

@Thevampirenight No, the ones in Markath specifically worship Mehrunes Dagon. There is a Wyrd coven there called "the Markarth sisters" and they get along very well with the Reachmen (unlike their Glenumbra cousins).
Source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Glenmoril_Wyrd

Though the Glenmoril Wyrd are numerically few, geographically they are widespread, from the easternmost Greenspring Coven in central Skyrim to the westernmost coven in the Ilessan Hills of High Rock. Most of the eight or so known covens are adherents of Hircine, but the Hagfeather Coven of western Falkreath reveres Namira, the Markarth Sisters (the only urban coven) worships Mehrunes Dagon, and the aforementioned Fen Witches of Hjaalmarch are followers of Molag Bal.

Relationships with the Reachmen, the other main Daedra-worshipers of the northern wilds, vary from coven to coven and from Reach Clan to Reach Clan. The Hagfeather Coven, the Rimerock Wyrd, and the Markarth Sisters all have cordial relations with the Reachmen, but the western covens of the Ilessan Hills and Viridian Woods have a history of conflict with the Reach Clans that dates back thousands of years. This may be accounted for by the fact that the Ilessan and Viridian Wyrd venerate the less-feral aspects of Hircine, and have even been known to provide cures for lycanthropy, whereas the Reachmen prefer Hircine's more vicious side, celebrating lycanthropy as a gift rather than a curse.

I've researched that because one of my characters was raised by Reachmen.

Those are Witchs and there are many witches among the Reachmen which I think gives them their nickname of Witchmen. This is more like a typical coven instead of just the savage tribal culture of the Reachmen. Just because there is a coven of Witches does not mean the city gravitates to Dagon.
What it says in the book you linked and your spoiler link.
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Relationships with the Reachmen, the other main Daedra-worshipers of the northern wilds, vary from coven to coven and from Reach Clan to Reach Clan The Hagfeather Coven, the Rimerock Wyrd, and the Markarth Sisters all have cordial relations with the Reachmen, but the western covens of the Ilessan Hills and Viridian Woods have a history of conflict with the Reach Clans that dates back thousands of years. This may be accounted for by the fact that the Ilessan and Viridian Wyrd venerate the less-feral aspects of Hircine, and have even been known to provide cures for lycanthropy, whereas the Reachmen prefer Hircine's more vicious side, celebrating lycanthropy as a gift rather than a curse.


Basically this means there are Dagon Worshiping Witches inside the City of Markarth that doesn't mean anything really. Because the Reachmen do gravitate towards the Daedra and thus Daedra Worship is mainstream with them.

We can assume the witches there are something like the priests of the Reachmen in Markarth, just like the Hagravens usually are and Hagravens are also often found in Wyrd covens like this one. I can't really see two different cults coexisting in such close proximity.

Doesn't mean they'll exclusively worship Dagon, just like when you are a priest of one of the divines you aren't exactly an atheist towards the other divines. I suspect it will be similar here, they worship Hircine, Namira and Molag Bal as well, but Dagon will be the most important in the city simply because of the coven's presence.

Well as far as I can find Mehrunes and Molag arent known to be enemies. So there isn't much of a reason to believe that their followers can't co-exist. It says just as much in your link that the Wyrds and Reachmen are known to get along, and I'm assuming that as long as the daedric princes they worship are not enemies they still have friendly interactions.

It stands to reason with the way things are politically during the Interregnum that these groups, regardless of any conflicting beliefs, would find safety together rather than go it alone. Especially if Markarth is the only stronghold in the north that is tolerant of daedric worship. And while the lore on the Reachmen is spotty I'm almost certain that they have their own Hagravens to lead and advise their clans and so far there is no indication that the Markarth Sisters are actually at the center of the Markarth Reachmens leadership.

I'm sure the two groups have a close working relationship if they are sharing the same space. But so far we don't have enough information to really say what daedric prince is at the center of the Reachmen of the city.

True that can be a possibility and it wouldn't be past the reachmen to worship both or have witches that mainly worship Dagon. Corruption and Domination is Molag, Destruction, Revolution and Change is Dagon. But Dagon having the main influence over them just because a witch coven living in Markarth worship him I don't think its the case. Could be wrong so I might not even be correct. Given the lore on the Reachmen, Their main deity is Hircine, followed by Molag Bal, Namiira and Dagon and other princes such as Malacath possibly Nocturnal as well.
So their religion involves around the Princes what they refer to as the Old Gods. The Gods they are trying to reestablish back into their society in the 4th era. The book on the Witches makes clear Distinctions between actual Witch Covens and Reachmen Clans. Thus they would be independent of each other but will work together and we are going to see them working together this year; Nordic Witches are playing a huge role in the overall Storyline. Who also have ties to the Former Reach Emperor of Cyrodiil and it will tie back into the Reach storyline they are doing Forth Quarter. I'm sure of that but not one hundred percent so could be wrong on that one.

MattT1988

Is Markarth actually confirmed for Q4? Or is this just rumours.

LittlePinkDot

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Also about Markarth. The Reachmen there worship Mehrunes Dagon if I am not mistaken.

They worship several of the Daedric Princes and the Primary Prince the Reachman worship is Hircine. But those Reachman living in the cities could gravitate to Molag Bal and Namira. In Skyrim both Namira's Quest and Molag Bal's Quests were located in Markarth and we might see their religious practices gravitate to both of those Princes within the City. I don't think they will be worshiping Dagon. But we might see a tribe that does Worship the Prince in some way or another.

I would love eso's Markarth to tell us how that alter to Molag Bal in the abandoned house got there.

Thevampirenight

MattT1988 wrote: »

Is Markarth actually confirmed for Q4? Or is this just rumours.

Markarth no but the Reach is basically confirmed to be Forth Quarter as they are only doing the western portions which would be Solitude Morthal and the Reach. Markarth will thus be there somehow as a main city. So Reach is Confirmed as they hinted at it and told us we are not getting White Run this year in the German Stream. So that leaves only the Reach for forth quarter.

Sphinxmoth

Well, we've only seen this map during Greymoor Announcement post-show.