I hate animation canceling.

Floyd_Stash

Hello

I just recently moved into a new appartement and inside a dusty box was a statue i recognized.
The molag bal statue of the collectors edition of the elder scrolls online.

"hmm" i thought.. "maybe i should give this a try again, i kinda forgot why i stopped playing because as a real elder scrolls fan i love hanging out in these fantasy worlds".

So i install eso boot it up and load in my character. Then it immediatly hits me.
Animation canceling.

It's a massive design flaw that somehow get's covered up by releases of more dlc's and expansions and addons and buyable content and extra stuff to do which you can buy,
that it's so easy to forget how tedious and gamebreaking and unimmersive this tiny core mechanic really is.

Animation canceling is the reason i quit this game, and the reason i keep quitting right after i come back.
It's a disease of this mmorpg and the devs are doing all they can to ignore it, bash the community that dislikes it and tries to sell them more content to forget about it.
What they forget is that all this content created is based upon one core mechanic exploit. Animation Canceling.
It's grown to a point where it's even become mandatory to participate in this exploit in order to clear some end-game content. This completely blows my mind.

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It's unimmersive, repetitive strain injury inflicting and most of all a *** annoyance to deal with.
And it's the reason why i quit this game, even thou im a hardcore fan of elder scrolls franchise.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/254792/exiting-feedback-animation-canceling/p5
This topic describes a lot of my issues with animation canceling.

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Raisin

ok.

JanTanhide

Ok. Bye.

AgaTheGreat

Oh no, what are we going to do?!

Surely we have to remove animation cancelling to keep eleussinkb16_ESO playing the game.

/s

AgaTheGreat

i'm leabing this gronp

Floyd_Stash

i don't care about all your comments, but im happy to know you read my topic.

daemonios

Yes, take away the fast paced combat that sets ESO apart from all the other cash-grabbing gasha MMOs out there. What could possibly go wrong?

I'm not saying there aren't issues, and in fact ZOS have tried to address one (block desyncs) on the latest PTS build. But in the end, basic animation cancelling is trivial to pull off. You don't need a perfect rotation and 99th percentile DPS to enjoy the game. If it really ruffles your feathers this much, maybe you need to find a game that better suits you.

Floyd_Stash

daemonios wrote: »

, maybe you need to find a game that better suits you.

And this is what i've been doing for the past years. I don't own any of the dlc's or expansions or extra stuffs for this game because i refuse to pay money for a product that doesn't play well.
But i did feel the need to communicate this as there is still this slight hope of ZoS manning up and adressing this core problem with a fix.

Brandathorbel

daemonios wrote: »

Yes, take away the fast paced combat that sets ESO apart from all the other cash-grabbing gasha MMOs out there. What could possibly go wrong?

I'm not saying there aren't issues, and in fact ZOS have tried to address one (block desyncs) on the latest PTS build. But in the end, basic animation cancelling is trivial to pull off. You don't need a perfect rotation and 99th percentile DPS to enjoy the game. If it really ruffles your feathers this much, maybe you need to find a game that better suits you.

what he is saying is, it was initially an exploit - which it was and admitted to by Zos - but so many people did it they just decided to just make it part of the game instead of fixing it.

so he is not wrong on that part. Developers usually fix exploits not mold them into a feature.

Sergg007

I agree with the author, but I will continue to eat a cactus

Nestor

95% of the content i do in this game does not require animation canceling. Especially the hanging out part that you talk about in the opening post.

Since I don't chase Trial Leaderboard times, i can forego AC on the other 5% to.

Coppes

Nestor wrote: »

95% of the content i do in this game does not require animation canceling. Especially the hanging out part that you talk about in the opening post.

Since I don't chase Trial Leaderboard times, i can forego AC on the other 5% to.

No offense but, I kinda want to see someone do a vet DLC dungeon without AC and without being carried by others.

hakan

AC isnt an ESO only feature. Lots of games have it. And its needed.

Also consipiracy theories are not allowed here.

daemonios

eleussinkb16_ESO wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

, maybe you need to find a game that better suits you.

i refuse to pay money for a product that doesn't play well.

That's a matter of opinion, not fact.

xbobx15 wrote: »

what he is saying is, it was initially an exploit - which it was and admitted to by Zos - but so many people did it they just decided to just make it part of the game instead of fixing it.

so he is not wrong on that part. Developers usually fix exploits not mold them into a feature.

Source, please? Also, regardless of whether it was initially intended, emergent gameplay is a thing, and often encouraged. It makes the game better IMO, so the fact that ZOS left it in is a good thing.

BlueRaven

The combat system is in its worst state since beta, and quite possibly the worst in any major mmo on the market currently. And animation canceling is a big red flag showcasing it’s poor quality.

I am sure there are going to be people who say, “Oh yeah?! Have you played [insert title]?” To which I would reply naming one game that may have worse combat is hardly a ringing endorsement.

I feel a top to bottom rebuild of the combat system is in order, bringing it closer to the single player games.

ThePedge

Buh bye

Bobby_V_Rockit

I’m just sad I cant do it well lol

Floyd_Stash

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’m just sad I cant do it well lol

This could propably be a reason contributing to my distain of the "features" (exploit)
but mostly its just obviously unintended and wonky gameplay that makes me wanna get as far away from it as i can.

January1171

Personally I don't understand why people get so steamed about AC "breaking immersion". I mean, yeah, it's not very realistic looking, but when I'm in combat either a) I'm not even looking at my character because I'm looking at different things or b) I can't even see my character because of the mobs/particle effects/other players/etc.

The amount of time I can even see my character enough to notice the visual effect of AC is practically nonexistent. And even then the effects happen so quickly it's hard to track.

Brandathorbel

daemonios wrote: »

eleussinkb16_ESO wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

, maybe you need to find a game that better suits you.

i refuse to pay money for a product that doesn't play well.

That's a matter of opinion, not fact.

xbobx15 wrote: »

what he is saying is, it was initially an exploit - which it was and admitted to by Zos - but so many people did it they just decided to just make it part of the game instead of fixing it.

so he is not wrong on that part. Developers usually fix exploits not mold them into a feature.

Source, please? Also, regardless of whether it was initially intended, emergent gameplay is a thing, and often encouraged. It makes the game better IMO, so the fact that ZOS left it in is a good thing.

this has already been proven time and time again. it is a fact. Feel free to google yourself. It is what it is and animation cancelling isnt going anywhere so you can rest easy. to change it now would probably destroy the game.

Thokri

Animation cancelling in ESO is bit mixed feeling.

It is good it has something that is bit different from most popular mmo with light attack weaving but way it is done is quite clunky. Basicly just compensating for bad engine/core mechanics and lag.

Floyd_Stash

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@January1171 Immersion breaking isn't all just about watching your character and realising its not realistic.
Immersion itself kinda means that you can forget about your real life and fantasize about you living the life your playing.
AC is preventing me from doing this.

@xbobx15 I personally believe revamping combat system will be an expensive but worthy endeavour, i know of some irl friends who have quit for the same reason. And they would both start playing and buying dlc's expansions w/e if only it would be fixed.

colossalvoids

Too late for your kind, it's a feature now that got lots of dev attention and fully embraced now. As one wise eso developer team member said: "just l2p".

ZOS_Volpe

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Nestor

Spaceroamer wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

95% of the content i do in this game does not require animation canceling. Especially the hanging out part that you talk about in the opening post.

Since I don't chase Trial Leaderboard times, i can forego AC on the other 5% to.

No offense but, I kinda want to see someone do a vet DLC dungeon without AC and without being carried by others.

Group up with me and you will see it. It won't be fast, it won't be pretty, but it will get done. Won't be done on HM either unless I Tank or Heal.

thorwyn

If it wasn't AC, you would find another "immersion breaking" feature that would make the game unplayable, drama queen.

Floyd_Stash

@Littlebluelizard without trying to yank your spine, you do give the impression of being brainwashed to think AC is actually a feature and not a novel exploit. Double edged sword your post if you ask me.
And to confirm for you, it's not a troll attempt but a serious issue for not just me but people i know.
To be honest you could figure out it's a serious issue by looking at the amount of results you get on google when trying to find a topic on this subject, clearly i'm not the only individual who thinks this way.

And i'm not saying the game itself is bad entirely, they have the lore done decently even thou it feels cheap in some ways compared to the single player experiences we are used to, but there certainly is room for improvement here and there. Fixing the AC would be one of em.

@thorwyn i personally believe that your statement is false and offtopic.

Brandathorbel

eleussinkb16_ESO wrote: »

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@January1171 Immersion breaking isn't all just about watching your character and realising its not realistic.
Immersion itself kinda means that you can forget about your real life and fantasize about you living the life your playing.
AC is preventing me from doing this.

@xbobx15 I personally believe revamping combat system will be an expensive but worthy endeavour, i know of some irl friends who have quit for the same reason. And they would both start playing and buying dlc's expansions w/e if only it would be fixed.

I also do not like it, its hard for people with disabilities, but unfortunately they did specifically say they were not going to do anything about it. I think it was a year ago Gina said that in the forums. So we just move on. but I stopped doing trials so it doesn't affect me too much.

one thing i did notice, new spammables and some skills introduced into the game make it very hard to do animation cancelling, makes me wonder if they are doing that on purpose to slow it down a bit - to players, it is known as (clunky)

stonefist, skull are two examples.

thorwyn

And I personally believe, that good bye threads are against the forum rules.

Floyd_Stash

@thorwyn if you think this is a goodbye thread then you should try working on your reading comprehension skills, also i believe you should google the definition of "being on-topic".

@xbobx15 Anything that fixes this situation works for me, wether they patch it into uselessness by masking it with consumables, or fix the entire core system of combat. either way works for me.

January1171

eleussinkb16_ESO wrote: »

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@January1171 Immersion breaking isn't all just about watching your character and realising its not realistic.
Immersion itself kinda means that you can forget about your real life and fantasize about you living the life your playing.
AC is preventing me from doing this.

@eleussinkb16_ESO Using that definition of immersion breaking, at least to me, would also mean any ui or outside input is immersion breaking. Pressing any buttons reminds me I'm not in the game. One button isn't much different than two buttons.


@xbobx15 Honestly that's a much more compelling argument to me than AC being immersion breaking. People who physically are unable to AC shouldn't be excluded from being able to play the game.

xbobx15 wrote: »

eleussinkb16_ESO wrote: »

I also do not like it, its hard for people with disabilities, but unfortunately they did specifically say they were not going to do anything about it. I think it was a year ago Gina said that in the forums. So we just move on. but I stopped doing trials so it doesn't affect me too much.