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Untie Cutting Dive from Off Balance
llBlack_Heartll
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There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
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Squidgaurd✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Dizzy refugees are coming to the forum
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Dizzy refugees are coming to the forum
spammable spare some spammable kind sir.. "cough cough"1 -
Skjaldbjorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's mind-numbingly stupid for PVE, as well. It's just a bad idea. It was when they had it, and it's aged like milk. Critical PVE DPS components should never be linked to such a wonky, inconsistent mechanic as off-balance. Poor design choice to put it kindly.5 -
LeHarrt91✭✭✭✭✭
✭just remove the off balance requirement of the skill and morphs.PS NA 1800+ CP
Have played all classes.
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llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Dizzy refugees are coming to the forum
I couldn’t care less about PvP or Dizzy.
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ecru✭✭✭✭✭
✭Skjaldbjorn wrote: »It's mind-numbingly stupid for PVE, as well. It's just a bad idea. It was when they had it, and it's aged like milk. Critical PVE DPS components should never be linked to such a wonky, inconsistent mechanic as off-balance. Poor design choice to put it kindly.
wardens are like 1% of the pve non-healer playerbase so i'd imagine zos has just completely given up on them ever being viable dpsGryphon Heart
Godslayer
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ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
The skill and necro flame skull needs a projectile speed increase. or dive should have a reduction in speed to pre summerset, and it needs the proc changed from more than 7m to less than 7m. The magicka morph should deal frost damage and have it's morph effect be changed in the same way that the off balance proc would be. And preferably it should have it's animation changed to an ice wraith.Edited by ESO_Nightingale on February 10, 2020 2:46AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX1 -
Brandathorbel✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
The skill and necro flame skull needs a projectile speed increase. or dive should have a reduction in speed to pre summerset, and it needs the proc changed from more than 7m to less than 7m. The magicka morph should deal frost damage and have it's morph effect be changed in the same way that the off balance proc would be. And preferably it should have it's animation changed to an ice wraith.
Ice wraith makes no sense. Warden is nature based a wraith is not about nature. How about a penguin.....1 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
The skill and necro flame skull needs a projectile speed increase. or dive should have a reduction in speed to pre summerset, and it needs the proc changed from more than 7m to less than 7m. The magicka morph should deal frost damage and have it's morph effect be changed in the same way that the off balance proc would be. And preferably it should have it's animation changed to an ice wraith.
Ice wraith makes no sense. Warden is nature based a wraith is not about nature. How about a penguin.....
wdym? ice wraiths are animals in this universe.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
Skjaldbjorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
The skill and necro flame skull needs a projectile speed increase. or dive should have a reduction in speed to pre summerset, and it needs the proc changed from more than 7m to less than 7m. The magicka morph should deal frost damage and have it's morph effect be changed in the same way that the off balance proc would be. And preferably it should have it's animation changed to an ice wraith.
This. Does. Not. Solve. Stam's. Issue.1 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Skjaldbjorn wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
The skill and necro flame skull needs a projectile speed increase. or dive should have a reduction in speed to pre summerset, and it needs the proc changed from more than 7m to less than 7m. The magicka morph should deal frost damage and have it's morph effect be changed in the same way that the off balance proc would be. And preferably it should have it's animation changed to an ice wraith.
This. Does. Not. Solve. Stam's. Issue.
yeah changing one effect doesn't solve it's issue. i agree. but at the same time i just listed the magicka related changes.Edited by ESO_Nightingale on February 10, 2020 5:31AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Skjaldbjorn wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
The skill and necro flame skull needs a projectile speed increase. or dive should have a reduction in speed to pre summerset, and it needs the proc changed from more than 7m to less than 7m. The magicka morph should deal frost damage and have it's morph effect be changed in the same way that the off balance proc would be. And preferably it should have it's animation changed to an ice wraith.
This. Does. Not. Solve. Stam's. Issue.
i'd remove the off balance proc condition for just a straight up 100% change to apply bleed. reduce stacks down and increase the damage of those stacks. you know this.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX1 -
Skjaldbjorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Skjaldbjorn wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
The skill and necro flame skull needs a projectile speed increase. or dive should have a reduction in speed to pre summerset, and it needs the proc changed from more than 7m to less than 7m. The magicka morph should deal frost damage and have it's morph effect be changed in the same way that the off balance proc would be. And preferably it should have it's animation changed to an ice wraith.
This. Does. Not. Solve. Stam's. Issue.
i'd remove the off balance proc condition for just a straight up 100% change to apply bleed. reduce stacks down and increase the damage of those stacks. you know this.
I know, but everytime people say "well reduce it to 7m" I have a horrible fear Zos will see that and go "OH HEY! We fixed Stamden! Reduced to 7m!" and change nothing else. I'd rather it not even be discussed without mentioning the other necessary changes purely for posterity.0 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Skjaldbjorn wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Skjaldbjorn wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
The skill and necro flame skull needs a projectile speed increase. or dive should have a reduction in speed to pre summerset, and it needs the proc changed from more than 7m to less than 7m. The magicka morph should deal frost damage and have it's morph effect be changed in the same way that the off balance proc would be. And preferably it should have it's animation changed to an ice wraith.
This. Does. Not. Solve. Stam's. Issue.
i'd remove the off balance proc condition for just a straight up 100% change to apply bleed. reduce stacks down and increase the damage of those stacks. you know this.
I know, but everytime people say "well reduce it to 7m" I have a horrible fear Zos will see that and go "OH HEY! We fixed Stamden! Reduced to 7m!" and change nothing else. I'd rather it not even be discussed without mentioning the other necessary changes purely for posterity.
as much as i want to help that, i'm unable to. we are trying to give them feedbackPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
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✭✭Wardens have already served their purpose and were good when they needed to sell Morrowind. Now its necros turn, so make sure to buy Elsweyr if you haven't already. To sell new expansions and dlcs they have to make old useless, that's the way world works, its business. So don't dream about them making warden viable again, it's not gonna happen. Open your wallets and move on.0 -
Skjaldbjorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wardens have already served their purpose and were good when they needed to sell Morrowind. Now its necros turn, so make sure to buy Elsweyr if you haven't already. To sell new expansions and dlcs they have to make old useless, that's the way world works, its business. So don't dream about them making warden viable again, it's not gonna happen. Open your wallets and move on.
Yet Mag DK is the top mag DPS and seemingly getting stronger next patch.
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llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭Skjaldbjorn wrote: »Wardens have already served their purpose and were good when they needed to sell Morrowind. Now its necros turn, so make sure to buy Elsweyr if you haven't already. To sell new expansions and dlcs they have to make old useless, that's the way world works, its business. So don't dream about them making warden viable again, it's not gonna happen. Open your wallets and move on.
Yet Mag DK is the top mag DPS and seemingly getting stronger next patch.
Que?
And they just got an additional bonus to their Power Lash to compensate for Off Balance.
No not Cutting Dive, just leave as is.
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Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭Also the magicka morph of birds is being effected by the off-balance change. Screaming Cliff Racer was one of the only ways for magicka wardens to have a single target range stun.0
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MellowMagic✭✭✭✭The stam morph should inflict a bleed like savage werewolf without any conditions (does x damage and applies x damage over time for 2 - 3 seconds, they can stack but you'll never get more then 2 maybe 3 stacks cause of the low duration. The magic morph should be ice damage imo.4 -
Miloscpolski✭✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
LOL what? tied to off-balance? Do you understand what it means to be a skill dependent on off-balance? for example - flame lash - it’s only tied to off-balance, and your Cutting Dive just recently didn’t give off-balance at all, the fact that it imposes it is only a small bonus for this skill.0 -
llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭MellowMagic wrote: »The stam morph should inflict a bleed like savage werewolf without any conditions (does x damage and applies x damage over time for 2 - 3 seconds, they can stack but you'll never get more then 2 maybe 3 stacks cause of the low duration. The magic morph should be ice damage imo.
Yeah I agree, something needs to happen, just crazy that they updated Dizzy and Lash but forgot about Dive & Racer
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✭✭Warden has been forgotten class since June 2017. It doesnt matter if its overperforming or underperforming it always took longer to adjust than any other class.1 -
llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭Miloscpolski wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
LOL what? tied to off-balance? Do you understand what it means to be a skill dependent on off-balance? for example - flame lash - it’s only tied to off-balance, and your Cutting Dive just recently didn’t give off-balance at all, the fact that it imposes it is only a small bonus for this skill.
Flame Lash and Cutting Dive give almost the same damage outside of Off Balance.
The skill is still tied to Off Balance to be useful and can only proc it outside of 7m.
Plus it’s the Classes only spammable and it has a condition to utilise.
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Skjaldbjorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
LOL what? tied to off-balance? Do you understand what it means to be a skill dependent on off-balance? for example - flame lash - it’s only tied to off-balance, and your Cutting Dive just recently didn’t give off-balance at all, the fact that it imposes it is only a small bonus for this skill.
Flame Lash and Cutting Dive give almost the same damage outside of Off Balance.
The skill is still tied to Off Balance to be useful and can only proc it outside of 7m.
Plus it’s the Classes only spammable and it has a condition to utilise.
And this doesn't even address a lot of the PVE issues, such as someone triggering off-balance at a bad time and forcing you to completely reset your rotation. I know, i've had it happen, and it's aids. It can happen multiple times per fight. It's utterly obnoxious and has no place in PVE. Just unlink it, cap the bleed stacks and move on.2 -
llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭Skjaldbjorn wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »There are a number of issues with Cutting Dive.
1. The need to be 7m away from the target to proc off balance is just about useless with Melee Builds. It really only suits a Bow Bow Build.
2. It’s looking likely that Off Balance is going to stay nerfed, which is a direct Nerf to Dive. This skill is the only spammable for the class and it’s tied to off balance which only makes it an average skill at best.
Please buff the skill.
LOL what? tied to off-balance? Do you understand what it means to be a skill dependent on off-balance? for example - flame lash - it’s only tied to off-balance, and your Cutting Dive just recently didn’t give off-balance at all, the fact that it imposes it is only a small bonus for this skill.
Flame Lash and Cutting Dive give almost the same damage outside of Off Balance.
The skill is still tied to Off Balance to be useful and can only proc it outside of 7m.
Plus it’s the Classes only spammable and it has a condition to utilise.
And this doesn't even address a lot of the PVE issues, such as someone triggering off-balance at a bad time and forcing you to completely reset your rotation. I know, i've had it happen, and it's aids. It can happen multiple times per fight. It's utterly obnoxious and has no place in PVE. Just unlink it, cap the bleed stacks and move on.
Yeah I agree, Im mainly coming from a PVE perspective.
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