Fast way to earn ingame gold a.k.a. the Crown selling scam

barney2525

NeroBad wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm not taking a side on this. Just making observations.

First - Buyer Beware ... That is the responsibility of the Buyer

That is true but, if they won't punish such action then more and more people will scam players, which will make the ingame environment more toxic, which is against ZOS will.

barney2525 wrote: »

Second - The system is designed for gifting. So, if I want to Give something to another character on another account, I can. That is the purpose of the system. ... If players choose to 'use' the system in a manner that relies on Trust between both parties, and therefore is inherently Risky, it is Not an obligation of the Company to make sure Trust is not broken.

The Company is not liable for Risky decisions made by the players.

I wrote how they could change the day required to be friends before gifting is available (same how you can't gift for some days after creating an account), making the system harder for scammers

barney2525 wrote: »

Third - Zos (and Any Company for that matter ) can not shut down websites. What Companies do is try to make sure all their own game currency is valid and take action against accounts of those who have invalid currency. No one will ever know how often this is done or how many accounts were banned because this information is not made public.

If people decide to use one of these websites, that, Again, is a Risk that the Player takes. The responsibility for the account being banned rests solely on the shoulders of the Player.

IMHO

Those sites use ZOS properties (ingame gold is ZOS property), such way which is against their TOS yet the sites are well and alive, but when ZOS makes code errors what players exploit, they make it a big display to discourage such behavior (Im on their side in that)

If Zos does not punish the action, then the Crown/Gold trading will cease as it will become way too risky. The environment wont get more toxic. A person might pop up with a complaint in Chat and 50 players will respond ' Don't make gold to crowns trades '. And that will be the lesson learned.

You are trying to blame Zos for the bad behavior of players. The system, IMHO, was not designed and Intended to be used as a gold/crowns exchange. The gift system was set up so that specific items could be gifted that were purchased with real money. This whole gold/crowns exchange situation was created by players to go around the 'real money' issue.

The only way to truly Stop the potential abuse is for Zos to remove gifting altogether. That would guarantee that no one gets cheated. And I'm not sure anyone really wants that solution. But if you insist that it is Zos's responsibility to fix an issue that is completely caused by players making Risky decisions, that would be the fix for it.

The sites are well and alive because they don't care if a player's account gets banned. Some games ignore such sites. Some games bring down the ban hammer hard and fast. But the site does not care because they got your money before your account got banned. The game company is NOT going to make a big display and publish the list of players banned and the reasons they were banned because that is personal and private information between that account holder and the Company.

IMHO

dainswulf

Just offer crown purchases in 2 flavors, as is now or instead buy a token to redeem said crown item. Make the tokens tradeable and decide whether or not they're allowed on guild stores.

Nerouyn

NeroBad wrote: »

As of now scammers are rampant in zone chats

I'd also say flagrant. I saw one say this the other day:

WTS crowns 200g per. 100% safe.

100% safe? Ha!

It could only have been funnier if their name had been SirScamsAlot

starkerealm wrote: »

ZOS has no interest in that because the purpose of the system is giving things, not trading them.

As is so often the case with ZO, the truth is much darker.

It is 100% intentional because they - Matt Firor - have falsely advertised the game as only requiring initial purchase and after that all DLC can be purchased with in game currency.

https://archive.is/bX0Ez

“We still have subscriptions and a lot of players still subscribe, it’s just optional, and so our DLC model is that if you subscribe you get access to all the DLC [for free], or you can buy them with in-game currency.

The current officially sanctioned but scammable scheme is how they get away with that.

If it weren't scammable quite probably a lot more players would actually use it. Which is not what they want. What they want is players to buy crowns from them and spend those.

Demra

I know nothing about this subject but what if instead of trading half sum first and half later, people start doing 10 transactions (10% gold first for 10% crowns, than another 10% and so on till reach the full sum.) It will be tedious but at least it's safer and if you get scammed you only loose 10% of the desired sum. Idk.

Nerouyn

Demra wrote: »

I know nothing about this subject but what if instead of trading half sum first and half later, people start doing 10 transactions (10% gold first for 10% crowns, than another 10% and so on till reach the full sum.) It will be tedious but at least it's safer and if you get scammed you only loose 10% of the desired sum. Idk.

That is evident from your suggestion.

You can't gift 10% of any given crown store item. You have to gift them whole.

starkerealm

Nerouyn wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ZOS has no interest in that because the purpose of the system is giving things, not trading them.

As is so often the case with ZO, the truth is much darker.

It is 100% intentional because they - Matt Firor - have falsely advertised the game as only requiring initial purchase and after that all DLC can be purchased with in game currency.

Not really, "advertising." That's an interview. However, that statement doesn't preclude the introduction of a more secure crowns for gold system.

Nerouyn

starkerealm wrote: »

Not really, "advertising." That's an interview.

No. Totally advertising.

It doesn't matter that the medium wasn't a paid advertisement. False advertising through editorial is still illegal in most jurisdictions even if treated as a separate offense to the paid advertisement variety.

He made an undeniably false claim which made the game seem much better value than it really is.

After which they needed to make it - being able to buy DLC with in game currency - technically true but unappealing.

Ergo the current situation.

starkerealm wrote: »

However, that statement doesn't preclude the introduction of a more secure crowns for gold system.

"However".... that bears no relation at all to anything I said.

If they had any interest in a secure system, they would simply copy / paste the COD code from mail into crown store gifting. And if a gift isn't paid for or manually returned, refund the crowns.

But they don't have that interest.

starkerealm

Nerouyn wrote: »

"However".... that bears no relation at all to anything I said.

Much like everything else you wrote in relation to my post. The lack of a secure trade system doesn't benefit them at all. Which goes back to the intent of the system being for gifting, not trading.

volkeswagon

Don't buy crowns from zone

Banana

Just don't do it.

DaveMoeDee

NeroBad wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Aelorin wrote: »

I am still baffled by the fact that ZoS seems to do nothing at all to punish those scammers. I've decided i am out on this fraud untill a secure way of doing this trade is in the game.

Realistically, what do you expect ZOS to do?

We've got a secure in-game interface for regular trading between players and scams still happen.

Whether its gifting or regular scams, the situation still wind up handled by Support and, as with any disciplinary action, you'll never find out what action was taking against the scammer because ZOS cares a lot more about player privacy than they do about the desires of some people to see scammers punished. The scammers may well be punished...but you'll almost certainly never know.

So really, what are your expectations here?

I know all the names who scammed me, yet I won't name them because it is prohibited. But what privacy is threatened if they answer me that action has been taken against the reported player (i had to name them for ZOS)? (they wrote it on forums when they punish people against dungeon exploit) After that I'm still prohibited to name them.

You have been scammed multiple times? Have you learned your lesson yet? Did you try trading with random people? More than once? Or did you do it through a reputable guild with longstanding members? Or with a reputable intermediary?

I find the argument @VaranisArano made about the trading interface to be questionable as the trading interface makes it a lot harder to scam, even if people can find ways to abuse it. If you understand how they might do that, you can safely trade with the interface. There is no way to safely trade gold and crown gifts.

DaveMoeDee

starkerealm wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Trustworthy gm and an escrow service. GM matches buyers with sellers. Buyers deposit gold with GM Sellers gift and tell the GM. Buyers receive the gift, and tell the GM transaction was completed. GM sends the gold.

ZOS has no interest in that because the purpose of the system is giving things, not trading them.

If ZOS wanted to facilitate secure transactions, there are many, less intensive, ways to do it, including adding crowns and crown store items to the guild trader system.

This replaced a situation where gifting an item to a friend required contacting customer support, progressing with the ticket, and required manual action on each gift.

I agree with the giving comment. It wasn't meant for trading. But supporting trading could really hinder 3rd party gold sellers.

Adding crown gifts to a guild trader would be weird considering they aren't usually in-game items. They are account unlocks. There are no items to add to the stores apart from consumables. I suppose this could make sense for selling motifs, which would be dumb since they are too cheap in-game for a decent return.

So selling through the guild store would likely require an additional UI. And what happens if the item doesn't sell at the price you want? Crowns get refunded and you lose some gold for having listed it? If I were them, I'm not sure I would want to deal with mass refunding of crowns as part of the game.

starkerealm

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Trustworthy gm and an escrow service. GM matches buyers with sellers. Buyers deposit gold with GM Sellers gift and tell the GM. Buyers receive the gift, and tell the GM transaction was completed. GM sends the gold.

ZOS has no interest in that because the purpose of the system is giving things, not trading them.

If ZOS wanted to facilitate secure transactions, there are many, less intensive, ways to do it, including adding crowns and crown store items to the guild trader system.

This replaced a situation where gifting an item to a friend required contacting customer support, progressing with the ticket, and required manual action on each gift.

I agree with the giving comment. It wasn't meant for trading. But supporting trading could really hinder 3rd party gold sellers.

Adding crown gifts to a guild trader would be weird considering they aren't usually in-game items. They are account unlocks. There are no items to add to the stores apart from consumables. I suppose this could make sense for selling motifs, which would be dumb since they are too cheap in-game for a decent return.

So selling through the guild store would likely require an additional UI. And what happens if the item doesn't sell at the price you want? Crowns get refunded and you lose some gold for having listed it? If I were them, I'm not sure I would want to deal with mass refunding of crowns as part of the game.

The current setup, if someone refuses your gift, you're stuck with it until you find a taker. It wouldn't be that weird if you could list those on the guild store. Hell, I have a camel that someone bought to troll a friend of ours. He wouldn't take it, and the camel started bouncing around until I ended up with it.

idk

victory.immortalb16_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Aelorin wrote: »

I am still baffled by the fact that ZoS seems to do nothing at all to punish those scammers. I've decided i am out on this fraud untill a secure way of doing this trade is in the game.

Realistically, what do you expect ZOS to do?

We've got a secure in-game interface for regular trading between players and scams still happen.

Whether its gifting or regular scams, the situation still wind up handled by Support and, as with any disciplinary action, you'll never find out what action was taking against the scammer because ZOS cares a lot more about player privacy than they do about the desires of some people to see scammers punished. The scammers may well be punished...but you'll almost certainly never know.

So really, what are your expectations here?

There is a really simple solution, and it's to have a crown/gold conversion within the game, powered by players selling/buying. It works reasonably well in GW2- there is a pretty big spread between the buy and sell prices to discourage flippers.

This would be a much better solution than the current one which is wide open to abuse, and would also cut down hugely on the amount of tickets ZOS receives about scams - as there would be no reason to trade with a player you don't know (you could still trade with players at an agreed rate for gifts, but entirely at your own risk).

The issue concerns how Zos has characterized trading crown store items for in game gold. Essentially they seem to consider crown store items to be in game but probably consider crowns to be closer to being cash.

If that is the case the best solution, and I mentioned this earlier, would be a crown store items would be tokens we can obtain and trade that once consumed are placed into a characters collections or inventory for consumables. This would permit players to post the tokens on a guild trader or directly trade in game where more care can be taken to sure gold is being posted. Granted, some players rush trades and in the end still get scammed due to their own foolishness but the safe trade option is still available with this model.

NeroBad

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

NeroBad wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Aelorin wrote: »

I am still baffled by the fact that ZoS seems to do nothing at all to punish those scammers. I've decided i am out on this fraud untill a secure way of doing this trade is in the game.

Realistically, what do you expect ZOS to do?

We've got a secure in-game interface for regular trading between players and scams still happen.

Whether its gifting or regular scams, the situation still wind up handled by Support and, as with any disciplinary action, you'll never find out what action was taking against the scammer because ZOS cares a lot more about player privacy than they do about the desires of some people to see scammers punished. The scammers may well be punished...but you'll almost certainly never know.

So really, what are your expectations here?

I know all the names who scammed me, yet I won't name them because it is prohibited. But what privacy is threatened if they answer me that action has been taken against the reported player (i had to name them for ZOS)? (they wrote it on forums when they punish people against dungeon exploit) After that I'm still prohibited to name them.

You have been scammed multiple times?

2 (1 bigger and after that 1 smaller)

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Have you learned your lesson yet?

I hope the lesson is not that fake zone crown sellers (whom spam their deal every minute in popular zones) can get away with their scams (not just mine, you can say that every one who try these sellers are fools, but I think such scams shouldn't be unpunished)

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Did you try trading with random people? More than once?

Same questions for emphasize contempt

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Or did you do it through a reputable guild with longstanding members? Or with a reputable intermediary?

I did 150k+ crown purchase through guilds, discords, friends. 25k+ random zone chat and got scammed for 3,3k crown (above the previously mentioned).

stevenyaub16_ESO

To be honest as bad as scamming is, I think it's good life lesson to do your due diligence and accept risk if you take them. Since these things aren't taught or parented these days atleast this game can prepare you in some way.

Kombinator

I take ZOS's side on this one.

I can understand, that they don't make proper trading mechanism for this. Any crown you get from trading is potential profit loss.

Also it approves pay2win style. Trade crowns for 2000 000 gold, and then you can gear yourself up from guild traders in 10 minutes. Gaining all the stats that you would need to work months in normal cases. All you have to do is reach 160cp.

Everyone knows, that the system is for gift, and not for trade. Someone always takes a risk. And since it's not approved by ZOS they are not responsible for scamming either. It's like going to the police, because a drug dealer sold you sugar under the label of cocaine.

Saelent

Kombinator wrote: »

I take ZOS's side on this one.

I can understand, that they don't make proper trading mechanism for this. Any crown you get from trading is potential profit loss.

Also it approves pay2win style. Trade crowns for 2000 000 gold, and then you can gear yourself up from guild traders in 10 minutes. Gaining all the stats that you would need to work months in normal cases. All you have to do is reach 160cp.

Everyone knows, that the system is for gift, and not for trade. Someone always takes a risk. And since it's not approved by ZOS they are not responsible for scamming either. It's like going to the police, because a drug dealer sold you sugar under the label of cocaine.

Except that the best gear is bind on pickup, so it can’t be sold, that isn’t pay2win. What you’re looking for is the use of that 2mill gold for a loot run in a trial. Even then, clearly the run buyer isn’t good enough to make proper use of that gear...so it still isn’t pay2win.

Edit to add:
ZoS ‘approves it’ by allowing it, the way they keep themselves safe is by having a warning in place.
It isn’t the chemical manufacturers fault when someone decides bleach tastes nice. Extreme I know but I’m sure you get my point.

richo262

The best solution to solve the potential scam situation is to allow the placement of crown store items in the trade window. It does not actually deduct crowns from the player until the transaction is complete.

EG
Player 1 tentatively places crown item in trade window
Player 2 places gold in trade window
Player 1 and 2 accept.
Player 1 has X crowns deducted and receives Y Gold
Player 2 has Y Gold deducted and receives crown item in trade window worth X

As for OP mentioning the gold bot farmers, simply allow the sale of ESO+ 6mo Tokens and Chapters using the same method but instead of deducting crowns the Player 1 must use a payment method. The people that may be inspired to use a shadey website to buy gold can now do it within the game from real players. The real players selling gold won't receive $$ but will receive Chapters or ESO+ therefore drying up the demand for gold outside of the ecosystem putting Bot farmers out of business. ZOS would effectively be the ones collecting the money that would have otherwise gone to the bot farmers. Why ZOS hasn't already done this is beyond me, completely insane to let that money go off to overseas bot farmers.

Could even make it possible to outright buy tokens for the guild store.

BisDasBlutGefriert

Reading all these posts about people who got scammed makes me kinda nervous. I've never sold a single crown in all my time in game, and I don't fall for that crown store hype garbage, or the crate gambling. So I'm sitting on 30k crowns that just keep accumulating from ESO+.

Problem is, there is someone out there who wants a specific item really bad, and has more than enough gold for it. If they got that item, it would likely make their day or atleast give them a glowing smile for a few hours. A happy feeling, that I can easily help them to get through honest trading.

But, they don't know if they'll get scammed, and nor do I. It's a tricky business/market, that's for sure.

Kombinator

Saelent wrote: »

Kombinator wrote: »

I take ZOS's side on this one.

I can understand, that they don't make proper trading mechanism for this. Any crown you get from trading is potential profit loss.

Also it approves pay2win style. Trade crowns for 2000 000 gold, and then you can gear yourself up from guild traders in 10 minutes. Gaining all the stats that you would need to work months in normal cases. All you have to do is reach 160cp.

Everyone knows, that the system is for gift, and not for trade. Someone always takes a risk. And since it's not approved by ZOS they are not responsible for scamming either. It's like going to the police, because a drug dealer sold you sugar under the label of cocaine.

Except that the best gear is bind on pickup, so it can’t be sold, that isn’t pay2win. What you’re looking for is the use of that 2mill gold for a loot run in a trial. Even then, clearly the run buyer isn’t good enough to make proper use of that gear...so it still isn’t pay2win.

Edit to add:
ZoS ‘approves it’ by allowing it, the way they keep themselves safe is by having a warning in place.
It isn’t the chemical manufacturers fault when someone decides bleach tastes nice. Extreme I know but I’m sure you get my point.

The absolute top maybe, but you can get set bonus, and legendary gear from traders. You can make them yourself from professions. So i would say, that you skipped the entire normal, and vet dungeon gearing, and skipped right to the trials. So you still skipped hundreds of hours from money.

Kombinator

richo262 wrote: »

The best solution to solve the potential scam situation is to allow the placement of crown store items in the trade window. It does not actually deduct crowns from the player until the transaction is complete.

EG
Player 1 tentatively places crown item in trade window
Player 2 places gold in trade window
Player 1 and 2 accept.
Player 1 has X crowns deducted and receives Y Gold
Player 2 has Y Gold deducted and receives crown item in trade window worth X

As for OP mentioning the gold bot farmers, simply allow the sale of ESO+ 6mo Tokens and Chapters using the same method but instead of deducting crowns the Player 1 must use a payment method. The people that may be inspired to use a shadey website to buy gold can now do it within the game from real players. The real players selling gold won't receive $$ but will receive Chapters or ESO+ therefore drying up the demand for gold outside of the ecosystem putting Bot farmers out of business. ZOS would effectively be the ones collecting the money that would have otherwise gone to the bot farmers. Why ZOS hasn't already done this is beyond me, completely insane to let that money go off to overseas bot farmers.

Could even make it possible to outright buy tokens for the guild store.

Or might even encourage the bot farmers. Let the rich pay for stuff, and then buy from them with gold. The smart, and immoral just get a bot, and leave it there to farm money.

richo262

Kombinator wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

The best solution to solve the potential scam situation is to allow the placement of crown store items in the trade window. It does not actually deduct crowns from the player until the transaction is complete.

EG
Player 1 tentatively places crown item in trade window
Player 2 places gold in trade window
Player 1 and 2 accept.
Player 1 has X crowns deducted and receives Y Gold
Player 2 has Y Gold deducted and receives crown item in trade window worth X

As for OP mentioning the gold bot farmers, simply allow the sale of ESO+ 6mo Tokens and Chapters using the same method but instead of deducting crowns the Player 1 must use a payment method. The people that may be inspired to use a shadey website to buy gold can now do it within the game from real players. The real players selling gold won't receive $$ but will receive Chapters or ESO+ therefore drying up the demand for gold outside of the ecosystem putting Bot farmers out of business. ZOS would effectively be the ones collecting the money that would have otherwise gone to the bot farmers. Why ZOS hasn't already done this is beyond me, completely insane to let that money go off to overseas bot farmers.

Could even make it possible to outright buy tokens for the guild store.

Or might even encourage the bot farmers. Let the rich pay for stuff, and then buy from them with gold. The smart, and immoral just get a bot, and leave it there to farm money.

People that play the game naturally tend to make money at a reasonable rate and tend to not want their accounts banned. Would genuine players start botting to scrap together some gold to trade for crown/chapter? I'm sure a few would try, but they will risk losing a genuine account with actual characters and questing done. Most people won't risk a ban for that.

People that don't play the game and just set up mass farming networks to make gold for sale, they make a lot of money and don't care if they get banned because they'll just get another cheap key for $10 and do it again. The best way to to take on the mass scale bot farmers is not to play whack a mole with them, but destroy their entire business model in a more creative way.

The large scale bot farmers are usually done with accounts that have nothing to lose. The massive ones in China, they don't even play the game. It is just 20 machines running a circuit in a zone picking up nodes. If ZOS was to allow the sale of chapter/ESO+ for gold, that would keep it all in the ESO eco system and the gold 'seller' is not exchanging for $$ but content. ZOS would effectively neuter the bot farms and scoop up the cash they were banking on. The Bot farmers would have to move onto another game to leech off of in order to keep paying their power bills. The goal is to render those business models unsustainable.

WilliamESO

Trading Guild leaders are gold vs money sellers they bought real houses and cars in real life... i swear to you...
ZOS do something ban most of the trading guild leaders on PS4 EU
Crowns scammer are little fishs...

starkerealm

richo262 wrote: »

Kombinator wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

The best solution to solve the potential scam situation is to allow the placement of crown store items in the trade window. It does not actually deduct crowns from the player until the transaction is complete.

EG
Player 1 tentatively places crown item in trade window
Player 2 places gold in trade window
Player 1 and 2 accept.
Player 1 has X crowns deducted and receives Y Gold
Player 2 has Y Gold deducted and receives crown item in trade window worth X

As for OP mentioning the gold bot farmers, simply allow the sale of ESO+ 6mo Tokens and Chapters using the same method but instead of deducting crowns the Player 1 must use a payment method. The people that may be inspired to use a shadey website to buy gold can now do it within the game from real players. The real players selling gold won't receive $$ but will receive Chapters or ESO+ therefore drying up the demand for gold outside of the ecosystem putting Bot farmers out of business. ZOS would effectively be the ones collecting the money that would have otherwise gone to the bot farmers. Why ZOS hasn't already done this is beyond me, completely insane to let that money go off to overseas bot farmers.

Could even make it possible to outright buy tokens for the guild store.

Or might even encourage the bot farmers. Let the rich pay for stuff, and then buy from them with gold. The smart, and immoral just get a bot, and leave it there to farm money.

People that play the game naturally tend to make money at a reasonable rate and tend to not want their accounts banned. Would genuine players start botting to scrap together some gold to trade for crown/chapter? I'm sure a few would try, but they will risk losing a genuine account with actual characters and questing done. Most people won't risk a ban for that.

People that don't play the game and just set up mass farming networks to make gold for sale, they make a lot of money and don't care if they get banned because they'll just get another cheap key for $10 and do it again. The best way to to take on the mass scale bot farmers is not to play whack a mole with them, but destroy their entire business model in a more creative way.

The large scale bot farmers are usually done with accounts that have nothing to lose. The massive ones in China, they don't even play the game. It is just 20 machines running a circuit in a zone picking up nodes. If ZOS was to allow the sale of chapter/ESO+ for gold, that would keep it all in the ESO eco system and the gold 'seller' is not exchanging for $$ but content. ZOS would effectively neuter the bot farms and scoop up the cash they were banking on. The Bot farmers would have to move onto another game to leech off of in order to keep paying their power bills. The goal is to render those business models unsustainable.

Yeah, @Kombinator has a point. This would open the floodgates for goldsellers, because they could then sell crowns directly. The game already has enough difficulty dealing with the bots it has.

CompM4s

Never sell give crowns before gold. Crowns are not as easily replaceable. Also check if person is verified. Atleast a established character they wont risk getting banned and preferably in the same guild

Kombinator

richo262 wrote: »

Kombinator wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

The best solution to solve the potential scam situation is to allow the placement of crown store items in the trade window. It does not actually deduct crowns from the player until the transaction is complete.

EG
Player 1 tentatively places crown item in trade window
Player 2 places gold in trade window
Player 1 and 2 accept.
Player 1 has X crowns deducted and receives Y Gold
Player 2 has Y Gold deducted and receives crown item in trade window worth X

As for OP mentioning the gold bot farmers, simply allow the sale of ESO+ 6mo Tokens and Chapters using the same method but instead of deducting crowns the Player 1 must use a payment method. The people that may be inspired to use a shadey website to buy gold can now do it within the game from real players. The real players selling gold won't receive $$ but will receive Chapters or ESO+ therefore drying up the demand for gold outside of the ecosystem putting Bot farmers out of business. ZOS would effectively be the ones collecting the money that would have otherwise gone to the bot farmers. Why ZOS hasn't already done this is beyond me, completely insane to let that money go off to overseas bot farmers.

Could even make it possible to outright buy tokens for the guild store.

Or might even encourage the bot farmers. Let the rich pay for stuff, and then buy from them with gold. The smart, and immoral just get a bot, and leave it there to farm money.

People that play the game naturally tend to make money at a reasonable rate and tend to not want their accounts banned. Would genuine players start botting to scrap together some gold to trade for crown/chapter? I'm sure a few would try, but they will risk losing a genuine account with actual characters and questing done. Most people won't risk a ban for that.

People that don't play the game and just set up mass farming networks to make gold for sale, they make a lot of money and don't care if they get banned because they'll just get another cheap key for $10 and do it again. The best way to to take on the mass scale bot farmers is not to play whack a mole with them, but destroy their entire business model in a more creative way.

The large scale bot farmers are usually done with accounts that have nothing to lose. The massive ones in China, they don't even play the game. It is just 20 machines running a circuit in a zone picking up nodes. If ZOS was to allow the sale of chapter/ESO+ for gold, that would keep it all in the ESO eco system and the gold 'seller' is not exchanging for $$ but content. ZOS would effectively neuter the bot farms and scoop up the cash they were banking on. The Bot farmers would have to move onto another game to leech off of in order to keep paying their power bills. The goal is to render those business models unsustainable.

Or just get the gold with fake account, and then gift stuff to your main. It is not your fault, that someone gifted something to you, and if they start banning people for that, then it becomes an exploit. You want someone banned? Bot farm, then use it to gift something to that guy.

Destyran

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Always wait to receive the crown gift first, then pay the gold.

No it’s really money for virtual currency you make sure u get the gold first

Miliana

I would love to see Crown Gifting done similar to trading or CODing items. Open trade window, select crown gift, add gold, close window. It sounds so simple, yet I'm sure it's far more difficult behind the scenes. Either way, I imagine that would eliminate a huge portion of their tickets and workflow as well as save the community a lot of stress.

Until that day, Discord servers are definitely one of the safer options.
Discord.gg/TCE

wolfbone

Curious_Death wrote: »

1st. don't give gold b4 u get gift.
2nd. avoid users below 600 cp.
3rd. ask first ur friends or guildmates!

because that wont give way to crown thieves. and why not below 600cp? we now getting crown selling elitists too?