Fast way to earn ingame gold a.k.a. the Crown selling scam

bearbelly

doomette wrote: »

But I think the devs hold some responsibility too.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Only because there are systems that exist wherein it IS possible for players to easily protect themselves.
Trading in-game gold for crowns is basically receiving real money for free. If you choose to partake of that convenience (and it IS a choice; it is not the only way to get crowns), then you should bear the brunt of the responsibility for your own protection. If it were the only way to get crowns, THEN the gaming company should be responsible for protecting the players.
But you can completely avoid the chance of getting scammed by purchasing crowns directly from ZOS.
It is a courtesy that people are able to choose to attain them for free via in-game gold.

Because real money is part of that equation, it should be common sense that the possibility of being taken advantage of is high. People all too often prey upon the trusting nature of others. Again, it is the player's choice to assume this risk.

So if you just HAVE to have your crowns for free, then take advantage of what is readily available, and join a guild that specializes in crown-for-gold trading. It's not difficult to do so, and doing so grants you the protection of having your interests seen to.

The only option for ZOS would be to remove the capacity to receive crowns for free from the game.

Linaleah

Saelent wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

I've said it before, but I guess I will say it, again:

What ZOS, ideally, need to do is to introduce a trading system, like the one in GW2, where they allow people to trade gold for Crowns, or Crowns for gold, automatically.

Then, not only is it 100% safe and convenient, they can also take a small cut off every exchange, which will add to their revenue and (hopefully) help them maintain the game.

They can then leave the gifting system purely for people giving (genuine) gifts.

Better for us; better for them.

Correct me if I’m wrong (been a while since I played GW2) but that system you’re talking about doesn’t involve real world cash to buy the crowns.
Because if that’s the case then that wouldn’t be better for ZoS because in the current system ZoS is getting money from the crown seller buying the crowns irl and ‘gifting’ the crown items in game.

Why would ZoS make a system that gives them a small cut? Even with the scams they likely make far more from real sellers each time the seller buys crowns. Small cuts are for intermediaries, your idea isn’t ideal at all and sounds more like you want to cut out an economy which has grown within the system as it is.

A trading system within the gifting system would be preferable to protect both sides, not a system that doesn’t include crown sellers at all.

you are wrong. every game that i know of where there is a built in system to trade cash shop currency for in game currency and back - including GW2, involves someone buying cash shop currency with RL cash first. in GW2 - you cannot just earn gems by playing, you HAVE to buy them if you are going to trade them for gold. in Neverwinter - same. Secret world legends - again, same. as far as i know Eve online still has Plex. even WoW - where Blizzard i believe gets the largest transaction cut out of above mentioned games as you trade subscription tokens and tradable one costs $20, but you can only get $15 worth of bnet cash balance out of it, if you trade your gold for it, so blizzard gets $5, or 25% from every transaction.

you are misunderstanding what was suggested. people would still have to buy crowns from ZoS before they can trade them. they would just be doing that through sanctioned and protected interface instead of at their own risk. of course that also means ZoS would need to completely change how crown trading works. as in most games above - you can buy 1 cash shop currency at a time.

there is another option. make cash shop items into a tradable consumable runeboxes and allow them to be sold on guild traders - this is the way SWTOR does their cash shop currency trading.

but ZOS STILL gets the money. we just get to utilize the system with a bit more safety net.


now, personaly I've never been scammed. but I'm also willing to pay more gold by buying from verified sellers and i ONLY buy from verified sellers, NEVER strangers in trade chat. I'm sure many of them are lovely honest people, i'm just not willing to take that risk

zvavi

Tbh. I buy from strangers all the time, didn't get scammed yet xd. Maybe it is less safe, but since i didn't get scammed even once (and even if i got scammed) the gold i saved from buying over 35k crowns like that... Is huge, since "secure" and "reliable" usually costs much, much, more. But thats only my personal experience.

ACaptiveMind

I think the answer to most or all of the questions asked is that the situation works fine for ZOS, and they don't want to paint themselves into a corner by arranging things less than optimally. Either facilitating gold selling or forbidding it might work, but it's not a decision that's easy to reverse.

BackStabeth

zvavi wrote: »

Tbh. I buy from strangers all the time, didn't get scammed yet xd. Maybe it is less safe, but since i didn't get scammed even once (and even if i got scammed) the gold i saved from buying over 35k crowns like that... Is huge, since "secure" and "reliable" usually costs much, much, more. But thats only my personal experience.

Buying from strangers in local chat is certainly not a safe transaction, that's a fact. If you trade gold for crowns in this way, you will get ripped off eventually, that is a fact. No amount of crowns will ever make up for the negative feelings a person has when they have been made a victim.

Stating you have traded in a way that favored you more because it was a stranger in local chat sounds like someone attempting to reason why people should trade in this way. It's not huge by any means. I'm curious, what did you use all those crowns to buy off the crown store?

I'm not suggesting you personally are promoting the type of atmosphere that would benefit scammers, or that you are one yourself only that it sounds exactly what a scammer might say.

People who are seeking to take advantage of you, a flim flam man, a scammer, a matchstick man etc are the very most reasonable sounding and nicest people you will ever meet. That's how they scam unsuspecting innocent people and turn them into victims.

If you do not want to be a victim, then follow the best possibly practices when trading gold for crowns or crowns for gold. When it comes to the crown store and what is offered the difference between 35k crowns and 34k crowns makes very little difference, unless you are gambling on crates and if that's the case it just sounds like gambling to get crates to gamble more and that sounds like a sickness to me. When you risk something of monetary value to increase your wealth, digital or otherwise, that's gambling. Personally, I am not going to gamble crowns for gold or gold for crowns. I can simply do it the best way possible and give scammers an opportunity to turn me into a victim.

idk

Tigerseye wrote: »

I've said it before, but I guess I will say it, again:

What ZOS, ideally, need to do is to introduce a trading system, like the one in GW2, where they allow people to trade gold for Crowns, or Crowns for gold, automatically.

Then, not only is it 100% safe and convenient, they can also take a small cut off every exchange, which will add to their revenue and (hopefully) help them maintain the game.

They can then leave the gifting system purely for people giving (genuine) gifts.

Better for us; better for them.

I do not see mention of anything that makes this trade safe in any manner since the issue in ESO is trading directly with players. A similar scam to what OP mentions has occurred with trading valuable items in game since the game launched. My guess if something is left out, basically assuming everyone knows how GW2 actually does it. So basically I am suggesting a clear and more thorough answer.

Side note, Zos seems to want this system to be based on gifting. My suggestion though is to have items that can be gifted be direct purchases in the form of a token. That token can then be gifted or posted on a guild trader (for a safe trade). Of course players can still enter a direct trade with that token as they can now but clearly that would not be the brightest way to go.

idk

doomette wrote: »

But I think the devs hold some responsibility too.

So someone gets scammed, Zos bails them out and the player returns to the same risky behavior and gets scammed again and Zos is responsible because the player did not learn their lesson the first time.

We have one person who admits in this thread they were scammed twice but did 10+ trades without issue. They note that most of their trades are with people they know or via discord vs the most risky trades but that also means those two time they were scammed are a much higher percentage or the trades they did with total strangers.

Common sense tells me that it is a bad idea to trade with total strangers like this. I never had to get scammed the first time to figure that out and would say after that first time Zos bears no responsibility as they already bailed the player out from their first mistake.

I have already posted my suggestion for a solution. It still allows players to enter into risky trades if they choose but also give a safe means to trade crown store items. Ofc, I really do not like the whole idea of trading crown items for gold as I do not see it as very healthy for the game.

doomette

idk wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

But I think the devs hold some responsibility too.

So someone gets scammed, Zos bails them out and the player returns to the same risky behavior and gets scammed again and Zos is responsible because the player did not learn their lesson the first time.

We have one person who admits in this thread they were scammed twice but did 10+ trades without issue. They note that most of their trades are with people they know or via discord vs the most risky trades but that also means those two time they were scammed are a much higher percentage or the trades they did with total strangers.

Common sense tells me that it is a bad idea to trade with total strangers like this. I never had to get scammed the first time to figure that out and would say after that first time Zos bears no responsibility as they already bailed the player out from their first mistake.

I have already posted my suggestion for a solution. It still allows players to enter into risky trades if they choose but also give a safe means to trade crown store items. Ofc, I really do not like the whole idea of trading crown items for gold as I do not see it as very healthy for the game.

And I mention in my post that there should be a safer way of trading, soooo....

idk

doomette wrote: »

idk wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

But I think the devs hold some responsibility too.

So someone gets scammed, Zos bails them out and the player returns to the same risky behavior and gets scammed again and Zos is responsible because the player did not learn their lesson the first time.

We have one person who admits in this thread they were scammed twice but did 10+ trades without issue. They note that most of their trades are with people they know or via discord vs the most risky trades but that also means those two time they were scammed are a much higher percentage or the trades they did with total strangers.

Common sense tells me that it is a bad idea to trade with total strangers like this. I never had to get scammed the first time to figure that out and would say after that first time Zos bears no responsibility as they already bailed the player out from their first mistake.

I have already posted my suggestion for a solution. It still allows players to enter into risky trades if they choose but also give a safe means to trade crown store items. Ofc, I really do not like the whole idea of trading crown items for gold as I do not see it as very healthy for the game.

And I mention in my post that there should be a safer way of trading, soooo....

yea, and the first part of my post deals with what I quoted. That people make bad decisions and after getting burned, then bailed out by Zos they continue to make bad decisions. Zos bears little to not responsibility for players who do not wise up after getting bailed out the first time if they choose to continue with obvious risky behavior. Sooo...

The safest plan it so elminiate the gifting.

doomette

idk wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

idk wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

But I think the devs hold some responsibility too.

So someone gets scammed, Zos bails them out and the player returns to the same risky behavior and gets scammed again and Zos is responsible because the player did not learn their lesson the first time.

We have one person who admits in this thread they were scammed twice but did 10+ trades without issue. They note that most of their trades are with people they know or via discord vs the most risky trades but that also means those two time they were scammed are a much higher percentage or the trades they did with total strangers.

Common sense tells me that it is a bad idea to trade with total strangers like this. I never had to get scammed the first time to figure that out and would say after that first time Zos bears no responsibility as they already bailed the player out from their first mistake.

I have already posted my suggestion for a solution. It still allows players to enter into risky trades if they choose but also give a safe means to trade crown store items. Ofc, I really do not like the whole idea of trading crown items for gold as I do not see it as very healthy for the game.

And I mention in my post that there should be a safer way of trading, soooo....

yea, and the first part of my post deals with what I quoted. That people make bad decisions and after getting burned, then bailed out by Zos they continue to make bad decisions. Zos bears little to not responsibility for players who do not wise up after getting bailed out the first time if they choose to continue with obvious risky behavior. Sooo...

The safest plan it so elminiate the gifting.

And I never said they hold *all* the responsibility.
But I do agree that continually bailing them out isn’t the answer either, as you said, it just encourages them to not be savvy consumers.
So basically I think we’re both in agreement, while both being a bit pedantic.

Sergykid

i like the gifting system, it allows people like me to pay for the game with ingame gold. I buy most of the DLCs, and so i have skill lines like Psijic or Thieves, via the gifting system. I also got utilities like banker and merchant. And many more. For me and for ZOS too this is useful as i pay for the game with real money, just not mine.

EDIT: it's true tho, i use discord servers for trading and usually a middleman too. I don't trade with zone people.
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Cryptical

idk wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

But I think the devs hold some responsibility too.

So someone gets scammed, Zos bails them out and the player returns to the same risky behavior and gets scammed again and Zos is responsible because the player did not learn their lesson the first time.

We have one person who admits in this thread they were scammed twice but did 10+ trades without issue. They note that most of their trades are with people they know or via discord vs the most risky trades but that also means those two time they were scammed are a much higher percentage or the trades they did with total strangers.

Common sense tells me that it is a bad idea to trade with total strangers like this. I never had to get scammed the first time to figure that out and would say after that first time Zos bears no responsibility as they already bailed the player out from their first mistake.

I have already posted my suggestion for a solution. It still allows players to enter into risky trades if they choose but also give a safe means to trade crown store items. Ofc, I really do not like the whole idea of trading crown items for gold as I do not see it as very healthy for the game.

That is blaming the victim.

idk

Cryptical wrote: »

idk wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

But I think the devs hold some responsibility too.

So someone gets scammed, Zos bails them out and the player returns to the same risky behavior and gets scammed again and Zos is responsible because the player did not learn their lesson the first time.

We have one person who admits in this thread they were scammed twice but did 10+ trades without issue. They note that most of their trades are with people they know or via discord vs the most risky trades but that also means those two time they were scammed are a much higher percentage or the trades they did with total strangers.

Common sense tells me that it is a bad idea to trade with total strangers like this. I never had to get scammed the first time to figure that out and would say after that first time Zos bears no responsibility as they already bailed the player out from their first mistake.

I have already posted my suggestion for a solution. It still allows players to enter into risky trades if they choose but also give a safe means to trade crown store items. Ofc, I really do not like the whole idea of trading crown items for gold as I do not see it as very healthy for the game.

That is blaming the victim.

So the victim making the same risky trade/mistake over and over again is not to blame when they have full control and say over entering such a trade? Heck no. That makes no sense.

phairdon

Zenix should add a section to the crown store where gold can be exchanged for crowns. Just like in gw2, as an example. This would put an end to scamming.

WiseSky

I trade a lot of times and Never got scammed. With randoms, and guilds. Here is what I know.

Always Record the full conversation with a screenshot. Them and you confirming @//name, Seller @//name,Crown going rate, Item Purchased and Gold Amount. ( you can widen your chat window a by pulling on the edges.)

Always Send the Money in the MAIL with all the Info,Buyer @//name, Seller @//name,Crown going rate, Item Purchased and Gold Amount, Take a Screenshot/

Use a Middle Man ( A reputable GameMaster via game or discord, a reputable Streamer or Crown exchange Middle Man)

If 1. fails ask to get the item upfront and pay after.

If 1 and 2 fails you are in dangerzone! You may ask to pay half up front, get the crown item then half after. I have never done this one and dont recommend it.

4 Types of Traders

Unicorns!
I Had exchanges of Randoms in chat saying that they are selling crowns and they trust you right away and send you the item first. I kindly ask if we can use a middle man just to make sure they dont get scammed in the future because some people are not as trust worthy as you may be. And its the best protection.

Middle Man
These people want to use a middleman you both agree on ( usually a GM of your guild or a Streamer ) Make sure you both know the guild at hand and maybe one of you can leave a guild temporary just to join the other to see the Title of the game master or officer that offers the middle man service.Join a discord if you can also of the guild at hand. Make sure you both know the streamer also that has at least 30+ views, its in there interest to be promoted and be helpful. You also may join a Crown Exchange guild for this step, Its usually as safe as having a middle man you both trust, but you may pay a premium. I only buy crowns on PC/Na for 150:1 to 175:1.

" Middleman - holds on to gold until crown store item is gifted. Player A gives gold to middleman. Player B gifts crown store item to A. Middle man gives gold to player B. "

For people who cant find a Middleman aka Booker look up: World Crown Exchange


Expect 5% less gold as a seller

Dangerzone
These people ask for half up front, they will send item and half later. This one is up to you. I never done this one and this is where I stop to do any transaction BUT I keep asking for them to become Unicorns and or to use a Middleman. Days ago I had a CP 810-Former Emperor selling Crowns at 150:1 in chat who wanted half first half later. They did not wanna use a middle man so I though it was a scam and say bye bye. Then the next day I saw them again same story but this time I asked them to become Unicorns ... and to my surprise they did... I was shocked they sent me the 15 crowns crates and then I payed them 750K gold

Nopes
Giving Full amount of gold up front to the stranger level 7 during a play ESO for free event. If ever you are asked to give full amount up front usually you are playing with fire. If you must do it... Try them out, buy just 1 low item for less then 50K gold, But dont ever expect of getting that item just say Nope.

Radiance

I traded 1 Mil Gold to a Guildie I'd never conversed with before for the Kat Banker for the first time just the other day and He took the initiative and Gifted the Item before I gave him the gold. I would still suggest not trusting some random person, I know I am trustworthy and would even advise the person to Screen Shot our convo and Report me beforehand if I didn't Pay for the Gift for Gold exchange we agreed upon. If someone is not willing to provide the item before payment, don't trust them.

I was also directed to a Crowns for Gold Trading Server On Discord called Tamriel Crown Exchange where this is done regularly.

ZoS should have records of All In-game Trading Exchanges but I hope you at least have the person's ID and Screen Shot Chat Evidence of the agreement. Be more cautious next time and please don't try to ruin this for everyone else bc you encountered a dishonest person.

Continue to bring this to their attention and I'm sure it will be resolved. Good luck to you!

Nanfoodle

As long as you can trade with players, there will be scammers and gold being traded for real life money. This has been the bane of MMOs as long as I have MMOed and that's a very long time. Only way to stop this is to turn off all trading. Sad thing is, I have played MMOs that have done that and it sucked. CRAZY THING IS, gold sellers were still selling gold to players that they could never trade to the player they took RL money from. There is no way for any game to stop this mess.

asneakybanana

If you're looking for a safe place to trade crowns on PC NA I usually use tamriel crown exchange, usually get orders filled pretty quick and haven't ever been scammed. Here's their discord: https://discord.gg/ZNrgWgu

BackStabeth

idk wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

idk wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

But I think the devs hold some responsibility too.

So someone gets scammed, Zos bails them out and the player returns to the same risky behavior and gets scammed again and Zos is responsible because the player did not learn their lesson the first time.

We have one person who admits in this thread they were scammed twice but did 10+ trades without issue. They note that most of their trades are with people they know or via discord vs the most risky trades but that also means those two time they were scammed are a much higher percentage or the trades they did with total strangers.

Common sense tells me that it is a bad idea to trade with total strangers like this. I never had to get scammed the first time to figure that out and would say after that first time Zos bears no responsibility as they already bailed the player out from their first mistake.

I have already posted my suggestion for a solution. It still allows players to enter into risky trades if they choose but also give a safe means to trade crown store items. Ofc, I really do not like the whole idea of trading crown items for gold as I do not see it as very healthy for the game.

That is blaming the victim.

So the victim making the same risky trade/mistake over and over again is not to blame when they have full control and say over entering such a trade? Heck no. That makes no sense.

ESO should ban people offering to trade gold/crows in zone chat, in all chat so far as I am concerned. That would resolve the issue. The player base through discord or guilds can police ourselves, that system seems to be working just fine.

I think what a lot of people are totally missing is that those who scam are the real problem. It's my firm belief that if someone is caught scamming other people, they should be perm banned meaning that they are banned according to the net card and router addresses, IP address ban would not do the trick and many other MMOs ban in that same way. That way, the scammer doesn't only lose the account they are using to scam, but all the other accounts they distribute any stolen funds though, and go even a step further and ban all accounts that any gold has been sent to from the scam account, and any other accounts associated with the same addresses, and any accounts that any of those have sent gold to. They can always sort out whoever might be innocent but I think you would find, and ZoS for that matter that the scammers distribute their gold over a wide network of accounts. If ZoS started banning in that way, the scammers would leave for a more easily corruptible MMO.

It's my opinion that if ZoS were to ban all chat related to trading gold/crowns, that this would remove a lot of the scammers right off the bat. But I also believe it's all our responsibility to report anyone who scams, every time. These thieves will not stop unless both ZoS and players work towards the same end.

Technically speaking, what scammers are doing is considered wire fraud.

Wire fraud is a crime in which a person concocts a scheme to defraud or obtain money based on false representation or promises. This criminal act is done using electronic communications or an interstate communications facility. These can include a phone call, a fax, an email, a text, or social media messaging, among others.

That is a federal crime and can come with prison time. If someone has previously traded crowns for gold, and then trades gold for crowns that is a real world monetary loss. If someone scams crowns for gold they don't send that is clear cut wire fraud. I would encourage anyone that has been scammed out of crowns to report those crimes to law enforcement. If only one of those cases stuck, ZoS would be forced to address the issue or be complicit in the crime itself.

To be fair, if someone is scammed by someone in chat, they are entitled to whatever they lost as well as the scammer being permanently banned, forever in my opinion. But I also firmly believe they should have pertinent information to back up their claim of theft. If they try to engage in a transaction a second time I am not so sure they deserve anything, a 3rd, certainly not.

There is also a problem with people claiming they have been scammed when they have not. I believe if someone is caught claiming a scam that didn't happen should be treated in the same way as a scammer, after all that's what they are as well. If someone continues attempting to make a transaction happen from chat offers after they have been scammed once, then it's their fault.

We should not try to make excuses for scammers, they know exactly what they are doing, they do it with planning and intent and should be removed from our community. It is solely their fault that this type of thing happens, it's not the fault of the person scammed. The only crime the person being scammed is guilty of if they are scammed a second time is stupidity.

codierussell

Or just make all crown store items worth selling in this fashion come in a runebox so it can be traded appropriately. In this way it is completely safe to exchange without needing a third party and Zos still gets their money. It may also increase crown sales as people would be able to take initiative and buy crown store items to list in traders.

zvavi

BackStabeth wrote: »

I'm curious, what did you use all those crowns to buy off the crown store?

2 target dummies, 6 character slots, 6 dungeon dlc's, southern elsweyr, merchant, banker.

Also, ain't promoting it, i am very careful as well, always keeping screen shots and stuff in case of scam so i can get my gold back. Just that as many "scammers" as there are out there, i wanted to remind people that not everyone are out there to scam you.

But i agree that zos, while not publishing the punishment itself, should at least inform customers that "we have reviewed your case and have taken the steps we see fit with the other party". At the end of a case. Just this, hurts no privacy. Doesn't confirm they actually did anything. Doesn't confirm the other person has done anything bad. But it did confirm they reviewed the case and taken the steps they considered appropriate. (Obviously only if they actually did it).

BackStabeth

zvavi wrote: »

BackStabeth wrote: »

I'm curious, what did you use all those crowns to buy off the crown store?

2 target dummies, 6 character slots, 6 dungeon dlc's, southern elsweyr, merchant, banker.

Also, ain't promoting it, i am very careful as well, always keeping screen shots and stuff in case of scam so i can get my gold back. Just that as many "scammers" as there are out there, i wanted to remind people that not everyone are out there to scam you.

Far better to ignore everyone trying to sell crowns in zone chat. No need to bother with them, and there is no need for them to spam they are selling crows in zone chat.

If you trade for crowns in zone chat on a regular basis, you eventually will get ripped off. While that might not matter to you personally, it's my opinion it matters a great deal to most people.

zvavi

BackStabeth wrote: »

If you trade for crowns in zone chat on a regular basis, you eventually will get ripped off. While that might not matter to you personally, it's my opinion it matters a great deal to most people.

I refuse to buy in "safe" discords where the price is around x1.5 than what I find in zone :shrug: i might get ripped off in the end, and zos might not help me get my gold back, but those are risks i am willing to take (tbh i kinda want to get scammed once just so i can see how support handles such an incident, cause there was a post a while ago saying they didn't help at all).

Edit: also edited previous comment

victory.immortalb16_ESO

VaranisArano wrote: »

Aelorin wrote: »

I am still baffled by the fact that ZoS seems to do nothing at all to punish those scammers. I've decided i am out on this fraud untill a secure way of doing this trade is in the game.

Realistically, what do you expect ZOS to do?

We've got a secure in-game interface for regular trading between players and scams still happen.

Whether its gifting or regular scams, the situation still wind up handled by Support and, as with any disciplinary action, you'll never find out what action was taking against the scammer because ZOS cares a lot more about player privacy than they do about the desires of some people to see scammers punished. The scammers may well be punished...but you'll almost certainly never know.

So really, what are your expectations here?

There is a really simple solution, and it's to have a crown/gold conversion within the game, powered by players selling/buying. It works reasonably well in GW2- there is a pretty big spread between the buy and sell prices to discourage flippers.

This would be a much better solution than the current one which is wide open to abuse, and would also cut down hugely on the amount of tickets ZOS receives about scams - as there would be no reason to trade with a player you don't know (you could still trade with players at an agreed rate for gifts, but entirely at your own risk).

WiseSky

zvavi wrote: »

BackStabeth wrote: »

If you trade for crowns in zone chat on a regular basis, you eventually will get ripped off. While that might not matter to you personally, it's my opinion it matters a great deal to most people.

I refuse to buy in "safe" discords where the price is around x1.5 than what I find in zone :shrug: i might get ripped off in the end, and zos might not help me get my gold back, but those are risks i am willing to take (tbh i kinda want to get scammed once just so i can see how support handles such an incident, cause there was a post a while ago saying they didn't help at all).

Edit: also edited previous comment

Dont buy from Tamriel Crown Exchange they charge 225:1 per crown and 275:1 for crates on PC/NA. Which is way to expensive, and you can only buy 15 crates a Month...
If you want a free market Crown Exchange Service go with World Crown Exchange they offer the same safe service but you set your Selling prices and Buying prices... So if you want to Buy at 150:1 or sell at 275:1 its up to the free market to decide. Here is a link https://discord.gg/CfB9Fk

Darkhorse1975

Darkstorne wrote: »

Best thing ZOS can do: CoD system for Crown store items, with a refund system for the sellers if the buyer never claims the mail. Similar problem with gifting - I sent a Xanmeer Crown Crate as a gift to someone last year, and they never claimed it. There's a Crown Crate sitting in permanent unclaimed land, and not only can I not refund it, I can't even open it myself

You are able to regift a unclaimed gift that has been returned, so you could sell the crate for gold or surprise another friend with a crate.

Moonsorrow

SpiderCultist wrote: »

always record and expose the scammer

ticket to Zos

don't ever trade with lowbies/newbies

800CP at least

This.

The most active scammers use disposable low lvl characters that they are willing to sacrifice getting banned possibly, they launder/move the gold fast to elswhere. They try to scam as many as possible in a short time before the ban hammer so they get max benefit and gold is moved.

ZOS has been known to ban the scammer and has returned scammed gold to the scammed ones. I do think they often pull the gold from ZOS`s own ATM, so creating new gold to give to the scammed one, because the original gold was impossible to track and is already gone and/or in the economy cycle on some legit player who did nothing wrong. In example they sold a high value item(s) at vendors and the scammed gold was used to buy them and the listed again.

Pretty much that is how it propably goes.

But yeah, always trade only with max cp people who clearly have an account they do not wanna get banned. Never trade with some lvl 6 character who comes to say hi, wearing dropped leather helmet and looks like the most poor town drunkard, can possibly be a pantless nord. A pantless lvl 6 Nord rarely has 10000 Crowns to sell to you. They just want your gold so they can go drink some more mead on the tavern.

Well, the is a really tiny chance that pantless Nord would actually have and sell those 10k crowns just so they could then buy decent pants to wear. But i would not trust on that really small chance.

Mayrael

Its because:
1. ZOS wanted to sell more corwns, so the ones who want to spend $ for gold can do it.
2. ZOS didn't wanted to anyone would call this feature as a Pay 2 Win so they didn't made any reasonable trading system, like adding crowns as a tradable currency.
3. Now its all messed up, eventhough we already knew from the very beginning it will turn into Pay 2 Win, now we ended with Pay 2 Win and a scam option in one. It would be better if ZOS just turned crowns into tradable currency, because we all know they won't disable gifting system.

zvavi

Mayrael wrote: »

Its because:
1. ZOS wanted to sell more corwns, so the ones who want to spend $ for gold can do it.
2. ZOS didn't wanted to anyone would call this feature as a Pay 2 Win so they didn't made any reasonable trading system, like adding crowns as a tradable currency.
3. Now its all messed up, eventhough we already knew from the very beginning it will turn into Pay 2 Win, now we ended with Pay 2 Win and a scam option in one. It would be better if ZOS just turned crowns into tradable currency, because we all know they won't disable gifting system.

Things i would consider p2w:
Buying things with crowns that make you overpowered and can't be achieved through game play.
Things i would consider semi-p2w:
Craft bag. Skyshards in crown store. Skill lines in crown store (especially at the moment of release when they uber buffed them all). Psijic skill line spammable (before they buffed the other spammables). Buying carries.
Things i wouldn't consider p2w:
A freaking safe way to f***ing trade crowns

zvavi

WiseSky wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

BackStabeth wrote: »

If you trade for crowns in zone chat on a regular basis, you eventually will get ripped off. While that might not matter to you personally, it's my opinion it matters a great deal to most people.

I refuse to buy in "safe" discords where the price is around x1.5 than what I find in zone :shrug: i might get ripped off in the end, and zos might not help me get my gold back, but those are risks i am willing to take (tbh i kinda want to get scammed once just so i can see how support handles such an incident, cause there was a post a while ago saying they didn't help at all).

Edit: also edited previous comment

Dont buy from Tamriel Crown Exchange they charge 225:1 per crown and 275:1 for crates on PC/NA. Which is way to expensive, and you can only buy 15 crates a Month...
If you want a free market Crown Exchange Service go with World Crown Exchange they offer the same safe service but you set your Selling prices and Buying prices... So if you want to Buy at 150:1 or sell at 275:1 its up to the free market to decide. Here is a link https://discord.gg/CfB9***

Friend, i am EU, 350/400 crowns per gold are the discord prices.