Elfbane Changes Are Great

Marteene

I really love the increased duration on Elfbane. Unlike sets that offer flat Stat values, this set now requires thoughtful and well planned use. It can be extremely powerful in quite a few situations on many classes, but it definitely plays into the “kiss-curse” (smh) role. For instance Zaan gets a massive buff through it but using Zaan in every scenario is just impossible. It offers a lot of unique opportunities for mag to shine without being the be-all-end-all to mag DPS. It functions really well on magDK, magplar, and magCro thus far but it isn’t so strong that the other sets can’t compete.
Here’s to hoping it makes it to live as is. It offers a well needed “niche” set to the slim pickins in the mag meta.

olsborg

A niche set to be OP af with zaan.

Marteene

olsborg wrote: »

A niche set to be OP af with zaan.

And yet Zaan doesn’t tether to any of the bosses in Sunspire, has pretty easy counter-play in pvp, and is next to useless in Cloudrest and Asylum Sanctorum. It’s roughly as strong as Relequen, which is only one set, you have to use two sets simultaneously to have a similar outcome.

Mayrael

Marteene wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

A niche set to be OP af with zaan.

And yet Zaan doesn’t tether to any of the bosses in Sunspire, has pretty easy counter-play in pvp, and is next to useless in Cloudrest and Asylum Sanctorum. It’s roughly as strong as Relequen, which is only one set, you have to use two sets simultaneously to have a similar outcome.

Zaan is easy counterable in PvP but only by some of the specs. DKs and at some point wardens are screwed, they have no easy way to counter it. I don't play any of those classes but I hate hard counters and this is what Zaan + Elfbane is. Its hardcounter vs DKs and Wardens.

Onefrkncrzypope

Marteene wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

A niche set to be OP af with zaan.

And yet Zaan doesn’t tether to any of the bosses in Sunspire, has pretty easy counter-play in pvp, and is next to useless in Cloudrest and Asylum Sanctorum. It’s roughly as strong as Relequen, which is only one set, you have to use two sets simultaneously to have a similar outcome.

But will be nice for crag trials, vmol, vhof and..(Don't hate I only tanked this one, skoria probably be the next best after nerfheart) maybe crystals downstairs VCR? If we are thinking only zaan's

It will be pretty nice on mDKs. Pretty hard to imagine what it wouldn't be useful in on that spec.

Olupajmibanan

Mayrael wrote: »

Marteene wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

A niche set to be OP af with zaan.

And yet Zaan doesn’t tether to any of the bosses in Sunspire, has pretty easy counter-play in pvp, and is next to useless in Cloudrest and Asylum Sanctorum. It’s roughly as strong as Relequen, which is only one set, you have to use two sets simultaneously to have a similar outcome.

Zaan is easy counterable in PvP but only by some of the specs. DKs and at some point wardens are screwed, they have no easy way to counter it. I don't play any of those classes but I hate hard counters and this is what Zaan + Elfbane is. Its hardcounter vs DKs and Wardens.

Curse Eater is a very common set on DKs even on live. Cauterize procs it automaticaly which is great and from now on, cooldown on Curse Eater is per target, therefore a random on-ally cauterize won't prevent you from cleansing yourself.

Actualy, Curse Eater change to have cd per target is an indirect hard-nerf to Zaan in PvP, because CE is going to be used much more. Multiple Curse Eaters in party will cause headaches to anyone relying on dots including Zaan.

And Wardens? You forgot that Wardens now have Netch with purge attached? It's a 0 cost on-demand purge which will continue to periodicaly cleanse you for the duration.

Sandman929

Everyone thinks Zaan, but it seems like you get more out of it Grothdarr basically having no cooldown.

SenpaiNFT

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Marteene wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

A niche set to be OP af with zaan.

And yet Zaan doesn’t tether to any of the bosses in Sunspire, has pretty easy counter-play in pvp, and is next to useless in Cloudrest and Asylum Sanctorum. It’s roughly as strong as Relequen, which is only one set, you have to use two sets simultaneously to have a similar outcome.

But will be nice for crag trials, vmol, vhof and..(Don't hate I only tanked this one, skoria probably be the next best after nerfheart) maybe crystals downstairs VCR? If we are thinking only zaan's

It will be pretty nice on mDKs. Pretty hard to imagine what it wouldn't be useful in on that spec.

Nobody should ever take that long to kill one crystal. Zaan+Elfbane is good for vmol, some VHoF bosses, and dummyhumping, grothdarr is good in vCR with elfbane.

EpicRekkoning

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

Nobody should ever take that long to kill one crystal. Zaan+Elfbane is good for vmol, some VHoF bosses, and dummyhumping, grothdarr is good in vCR with elfbane.

Elf bane's changes will give Grothdar 100% uptime.

Sanguinor2

Elfbane also adds 5 seconds to your destro ult so if you run eots you have it up for 12 seconds, dont think many can survive that, Combine it with grothdar which will have 10 second Duration with 10 second cooldown and People are gonna have a lot of fun.

Onefrkncrzypope

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Marteene wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

A niche set to be OP af with zaan.

And yet Zaan doesn’t tether to any of the bosses in Sunspire, has pretty easy counter-play in pvp, and is next to useless in Cloudrest and Asylum Sanctorum. It’s roughly as strong as Relequen, which is only one set, you have to use two sets simultaneously to have a similar outcome.

But will be nice for crag trials, vmol, vhof and..(Don't hate I only tanked this one, skoria probably be the next best after nerfheart) maybe crystals downstairs VCR? If we are thinking only zaan's

It will be pretty nice on mDKs. Pretty hard to imagine what it wouldn't be useful in on that spec.

Nobody should ever take that long to kill one crystal. Zaan+Elfbane is good for vmol, some VHoF bosses, and dummyhumping, grothdarr is good in vCR with elfbane.

Like I said I tank that trial LMAO. The portal experience for me is ele drain ele drain block bash ele drain.

CleymenZero

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Elfbane also adds 5 seconds to your destro ult so if you run eots you have it up for 12 seconds, dont think many can survive that, Combine it with grothdar which will have 10 second Duration with 10 second cooldown and People are gonna have a lot of fun.

Destro ult is not nearly as strong as Standard of Might is over it own 21 sec duration [same or similar amount of raw aoe damage output (don't know if 15% increased damage for standard applies to the ult damage itself but I think it's just for your damage done through your abilities) + a strong synergy + increases your damage done by 15%] . Still interesting ranged option but if you're going to use Elf Bane + Zaan or Grothdar, you're going to be in close range so at that point, might as well use SoM.

I also think it's not nearly as much of a threat in PvP as most think. Of you stay in that beam for more than 5 seconds, you deserve all the rest of the incoming damage. Someone said some specs are at a disadvantage but Templar has the spear throw that knocks back, putting extra distance between you and Zaan thus making the tether easier to break and magDK has Fossilize which 1st stuns THEN immobilizes and stamDK has enough mobility to break the beam (I actually had a lot of success breaking the tether last night in Cyrodiil with stamDK and Accelerate).

Sanguinor2

CleymenZero wrote: »

Destro ult is not nearly as strong as Standard of Might is over it own 21 sec duration. Still interesting ranged option but if you're going to use Elf Bane + Zaan or Grothdar, you're going to be in close range so at that point, might as well use SoM.

I also think it's not nearly as much of a threat in PvP as most think. Of you stay in that beam for more than 5 seconds, you deserve all the rest of the incoming damage. Someone said some specs are at a disadvantage but Templar has the spear throw that knocks back, putting extra distance between you and Zaan thus making the tether easier to break and magDK has Fossilize which 1st stuns THEN immobilizes and stamDK has enough mobility to break the beam (I actually had a lot of success breaking the tether last night in Cyrodiil with stamDK and Accelerate).

Talking eots for pvp together with grothdar is prob gonna be Pretty strong. Talking Zaan templar can just cleanse it off anyway so no threat there at all, javelin however is rarely used since toppling is better and doesnt knock the target out of your own sweeps range.
In PvE destro ult vs banner will depend, in Hof on 3rd boss for example you are prob better of with a 12 second destro ult than with a banner drop but the 5 seconds added on banner are also nice for obvious reasons.

jaws343

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

Destro ult is not nearly as strong as Standard of Might is over it own 21 sec duration. Still interesting ranged option but if you're going to use Elf Bane + Zaan or Grothdar, you're going to be in close range so at that point, might as well use SoM.

I also think it's not nearly as much of a threat in PvP as most think. Of you stay in that beam for more than 5 seconds, you deserve all the rest of the incoming damage. Someone said some specs are at a disadvantage but Templar has the spear throw that knocks back, putting extra distance between you and Zaan thus making the tether easier to break and magDK has Fossilize which 1st stuns THEN immobilizes and stamDK has enough mobility to break the beam (I actually had a lot of success breaking the tether last night in Cyrodiil with stamDK and Accelerate).

Talking eots for pvp together with grothdar is prob gonna be Pretty strong. Talking Zaan templar can just cleanse it off anyway so no threat there at all, javelin however is rarely used since toppling is better and doesnt knock the target out of your own sweeps range.
In PvE destro ult vs banner will depend, in Hof on 3rd boss for example you are prob better of with a 12 second destro ult than with a banner drop but the 5 seconds added on banner are also nice for obvious reasons.

Grothdar, Elf Bane, New Moon

With eye of the storm, Chains, and Burning talons. Lock your enemies down or just keep chaining to them with the destro up.

CleymenZero

jaws343 wrote: »

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

Destro ult is not nearly as strong as Standard of Might is over it own 21 sec duration. Still interesting ranged option but if you're going to use Elf Bane + Zaan or Grothdar, you're going to be in close range so at that point, might as well use SoM.

I also think it's not nearly as much of a threat in PvP as most think. Of you stay in that beam for more than 5 seconds, you deserve all the rest of the incoming damage. Someone said some specs are at a disadvantage but Templar has the spear throw that knocks back, putting extra distance between you and Zaan thus making the tether easier to break and magDK has Fossilize which 1st stuns THEN immobilizes and stamDK has enough mobility to break the beam (I actually had a lot of success breaking the tether last night in Cyrodiil with stamDK and Accelerate).

Talking eots for pvp together with grothdar is prob gonna be Pretty strong. Talking Zaan templar can just cleanse it off anyway so no threat there at all, javelin however is rarely used since toppling is better and doesnt knock the target out of your own sweeps range.
In PvE destro ult vs banner will depend, in Hof on 3rd boss for example you are prob better of with a 12 second destro ult than with a banner drop but the 5 seconds added on banner are also nice for obvious reasons.

Grothdar, Elf Bane, New Moon

With eye of the storm, Chains, and Burning talons. Lock your enemies down or just keep chaining to them with the destro up.

Not too sure. I wanna say shifting standard is potentially stronger just because of the defile.

CleymenZero

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

Destro ult is not nearly as strong as Standard of Might is over it own 21 sec duration. Still interesting ranged option but if you're going to use Elf Bane + Zaan or Grothdar, you're going to be in close range so at that point, might as well use SoM.

I also think it's not nearly as much of a threat in PvP as most think. Of you stay in that beam for more than 5 seconds, you deserve all the rest of the incoming damage. Someone said some specs are at a disadvantage but Templar has the spear throw that knocks back, putting extra distance between you and Zaan thus making the tether easier to break and magDK has Fossilize which 1st stuns THEN immobilizes and stamDK has enough mobility to break the beam (I actually had a lot of success breaking the tether last night in Cyrodiil with stamDK and Accelerate).

Talking eots for pvp together with grothdar is prob gonna be Pretty strong. Talking Zaan templar can just cleanse it off anyway so no threat there at all, javelin however is rarely used since toppling is better and doesnt knock the target out of your own sweeps range.
In PvE destro ult vs banner will depend, in Hof on 3rd boss for example you are prob better of with a 12 second destro ult than with a banner drop but the 5 seconds added on banner are also nice for obvious reasons.

True, faster to purge than to break tether on Templar. I still use the javelin on stamplar.

Also agree on the destro being ultra niche for 3rd boss vHoF but its still to be proven whether the current bis magdk setup won't be better anyways. With 19 seconds and 24 seconds duration on many dots, you might even want to forego Elf Vane completely.

New Elf Bane is hand down bis on the dummy but when your targets shift from boss to ads etc. It will affect effectiveness and sustain if you have to recast dots before they're over or if they can't run their course. For example for 4th boss if you casted your dots on Reactor but am ad phase comes right after and tanks pull bosses in. Eruption is like 24 seconds or something. You'll probably recast. You'll want to recast engulfing on the stack and same for burning talks.


New Moon, PFGD and perfected asylum destro gives you insane burning uptimes and so insane sustain and doesn't commit you to a target for x amount of time.

Sustain is so good because of burning " frequency" you can probably run MS instead of FGD although most of the madDKs I've played with were using NMA+PFGD+ Asylum destro.

Grothdar is very strong VS more squishy opponents but you can heal through it easily enough. It may just be because I've encountered it in CP mostly but it hasn't given me trouble YET.

We'll see once it has 90% uptime (10 seconds up with 10 seconds cool-down won't give you 100% over more than one proc since it could take a second or two to proc post cooldwon but close enough).

WrathOfInnos

Yeah seems like a pretty cool set now. It makes Zaan look very powerful in dummy parses, but getting that effect requires use of a 2pc monster set, 5 pc heavy set (even with jewelry this means 2 heavy armor so cannot run 5-1-1), and the ability to stay within 8m of the enemy for a full 10s.

Lughlongarm

Also increases the duration of burning status effect, this set is extremely strong.

jecks33

Elf Bane sucks!!!

(i have already transmuted my jewels, please don't say that is good or zos will nerf it )

Stibbons

"It functions really well on magDK, magplar, and magCro thus far but it isn’t so strong that the other sets can’t compete."

You can remove magplar and magcro on that list