[SOLVED] New Curse Eater works, had troubles functioning on lag though.

Moonsorrow

After some help with the testing, i am satisfied with the functionality that appears to work correctly. So edited this be more like a feedback, liking the set on some combos. And will continue "testing"/using it when it hits Live.

My Magblade sure will like to have some Haunting Curses and so on removed..

Olupajmibanan

I tried on myself and works just fine.

What I did?
1) applied minor lifesteal to my target
2) lowered my hp with Balance
3) used double dot potion
4) light attacked
5) dots were removed as intended, magicka was also correctly restored

Don't forget that Curse Eater needs actual heal to proc. Overheals don't proc it as intended.

Haven't tried that on other people tho.

Olupajmibanan

Just did further tests, also works with Coagulating Blood, Burning Embers and Cauterize.

brandonv516

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

I tried on myself and works just fine.

What I did?
1) applied minor lifesteal to my target
2) lowered my hp with Balance
3) used double dot potion
4) light attacked
5) dots were removed as intended, magicka was also correctly restored

Don't forget that Curse Eater needs actual heal to proc. Overheals don't proc it as intended.

Haven't tried that on other people tho.

OP stated:

Tested with all sorts of direct heals that i know SHOULD proc it

This set is easily prone to bugs. When it first came out, it was passively proccing from the HoT on Forward Momentum.

Olupajmibanan

As you see, the moment I casted Coag, I gained 678 magicka from Uknown source (Curse-Eater of course but addons can't recognize it yet) and both dots were removed.

Moonsorrow

As i said, it works "sometimes", it feels buggy on what and when it actually removes.

Did you test it against an actual enemy who uses a plethora of negative effects on you and then (yes, while taken damage so no overhealing and healing with a thing like Matriarch Heal that is indeed very much a direct heal) see how it instead of removing 3 of many negative effects it removes none?

Or is there a strict list of what types of "negative effects" it can remove now? Maybe i have missed some patch note at some point about the details of it and what it can cleanse away..

If i remember right, the first iteration when it was changed (and nerfed soon after) did remove pretty much everything that one could put under that term.

I did not say it does not work at all, but tested to be not 100% reliable.

Testing from EU so some lag on test server, but it should not cause so much of problems for the testing.

brandonv516

Moonsorrow wrote: »

As i said, it works "sometimes", it feels buggy on what and when it actually removes.

Did you test it against an actual enemy who uses a plethora of negative effects on you and then (yes, while taken damage so no overhealing and healing with a thing like Matriarch Heal that is indeed very much a direct heal) see how it instead of removing 3 of many negative effects it removes none?

Or is there a strict list of what types of "negative effects" it can remove now? Maybe i have missed some patch note at some point about the details of it and what it can cleanse away..

If i remember right, the first iteration when it was changed (and nerfed soon after) did remove pretty much everything that one could put under that term.

I did not say it does not work at all, but tested to be not 100% reliable.

Testing from EU so some lag on test server, but it should not cause so much of problems for the testing.

Maybe the game is considering the Matriatch as not really "you" giving the heal.

Try it with Dark Deal if you haven't already.

Olupajmibanan

Just tested with Sorcs kit and its interaction with Curse Eater.

Dark Conversion - worked.
Surge - worked.
Blood Magic passive - worked.
Twilight Matriarch - worked.

As I said earlier, also tested with:

Dragon Blood - worked.
Burning Embers - worked.
Cauterize - worked.

Minir Lifesteal - worked.

The only thing I found so far to be not working with Curse Eater is Critical Leech CP passive but I remember some patches ago they made CP passives to not proc item sets (something like "we don't like procs to proc another procs" they said).

A screenshot of combat log would be really helpful because I can't seem to reproduce the issue.

Update:
Tested also with mob negative effects (Fire Bite from Shalks in Vvardenfel). Worked with all of the above listed, including Matriarch heal.

Update 2:
Now tested with Burning status effect. Curse Eater worked with all of the sorcs kit.

Update 3:
Tested friendly proc. Matriarch heal successfuly cleansed my Matriarch when she was affected by the Fire Bite dot from Shalks in Vvardenfel. Also, the magicka restoration visual effect appeared on my wing flapper.

Update 4:
Tested cooldown per target - worked. Was able to cleanse myself with Dark Conversion first and right after that cleansed my Matriarch with Matriarch heal.

Moonsorrow

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Just tested with Sorcs kit and its interaction with Curse Eater.

Dark Conversion - worked.
Surge - worked.
Blood Magic passive - worked.
Twilight Matriarch - worked.

As I said earlier, also tested with:

Dragon Blood - worked.
Burning Embers - worked.
Cauterize - worked.

Minir Lifesteal - worked.

The only thing I found so far to be not working with Curse Eater is Critical Leech CP passive but I remember some patches ago they made CP passives to not proc item sets (something like "we don't like procs to proc another procs" they said).

A screenshot of combat log would be really helpful because I can't seem to reproduce the issue.

Update:
Tested also with mob negative effects (Fire Bite from Shalks in Vvardenfel). Worked with all of the above listed, including Matriarch heal.

Update 2:
Now tested with Burning status effect. Curse Eater worked with all of the sorcs kit.

Update 3:
Tested friendly proc. Matriarch heal successfuly cleansed my Matriarch when she was affected by the Fire Bite dot from Shalks in Vvardenfel. Also, the magicka restoration visual effect appeared on my wing flapper.

Update 4:
Tested cooldown per target - worked. Was able to cleanse myself with Dark Conversion first and right after that cleansed my Matriarch with Matriarch heal.

Hmm, if it worked reliably in all sorts of negative effects (did you try to cleanse other stuff than just DoTs?) like Snares, Status effects like Concussed, Chilled and Minor and/or Major Defile and so on against human players?

I had Curse Eater 5p on Jewelry and back bar weapon, from where i used the direct heals - if that makes a difference.

But, big thanks to you @Olupajmibanan for your testing it and spending your time on it - seems it works atleast on some/most DoTs. Think i will need to test more too.

Maybe it was just the lag when doing actual PVP from playing from EU and the huge amount of all sorts of negative effects when fighting actual players. Because it was really laggy when i tested, server kicked me into login screen couple times too while i was testing it at PVP.

Is it supposed to be able to remove Defiles, Snares, Maims, Minor Vulnerability? Or more like just DoTs? This is the part that gives me trouble and is a factor if i would ever use this set or not.


Edit: Heh, had to edit the title of this because all your testing makes me question my sanity since it bugged for me with most status effects. But to my defense, several friends from Live server situation of Curse Eater are saying the same, that it is not working reliably on pvp. Maybe it is not working well when lags.. like certain things at Cyrodiil are.

Olupajmibanan

Update 5:
Tried with Concussion applied from enemy player (in a duel). Curse Eater worked and successfuly cleansed Concussion.


Update 6:
Tried with multiple debuff cleanse. Enemy player within a duel applied 3 dots and one negative effect that is not a dot (Haunting Curse) to me. Curse Eater succesfuly cleansed 2 dots + Haunting Curse, Structured Entropy continued to deal damage after cleansing myself with Dark Conversion + Curse Eater. Magicka restoration from Curse Eater appeared visualy but you can't see it in combat log because I had full magicka at that time.

Moonsorrow

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Update 5:
Tried with Concussion applied from enemy player (in a duel). Curse Eater worked and successfuly cleansed Concussion.


Update 6:
Tried with multiple debuff cleanse. Enemy player within a duel applied 3 dots and one negative effect that is not a dot (Haunting Curse) to me. Curse Eater succesfuly cleansed 2 dots + Haunting Curse, Structured Entropy continued to deal damage after cleansing myself with Dark Conversion + Curse Eater. Magicka restoration from Curse Eater appeared visualy but you can't see it in combat log because I had full magicka at that time.

Thanks again! People like you are great who are willing to help, test and spend their own time on it. Much appreciated!

So, all i can conclude from this is then that it must have been the lag making it not really work for me, since it was so bad connection at the time that got kicked to Login Screen twice during the test.

I think i can then now cautiously accept that it is working properly. Not sure if i will trust it at Cyrodiil primetime 3 alliance stacked emp keep combats though if major lag hits, but.. based on your logs - it works!

Olupajmibanan

Update 7:
I suspected that the issue might be related to damage component of a negative effect. But that wasn't the case. I tried it with Mass Hysteria (this has no damaging component at all, it's a pure CC debuff) from another player in a duel. Curse Eater not only succesfuly cleansed the fear, it also correctly gave me CC immunity. Again, you don't see magicka restore from Curse Eater in combat log because I had full magicka at that time, but the visual effect of gaining magicka correctly appeared.



I am sorry to say but this brings me only to one conclusion - Curse Eater works as intended. The issues you are experiencing definitely might be related to lag, but if that's the case, it's not problem of the set at all.