Logic behind the Iceheart nerf

Stx

The comparison between Iceheart and the other two sets (Phoenix and imperium) is illogical for several reasons.

1) Iceheart is a monster set. Monster set bonuses are not and should not be held to the same balancing standard as 5 PC sets.

2) No one uses those sets. Now no one will use iceheart.

I get it, you made a new monster set and it was terrible. But what do you think the best course of action should be? Nerf a set that is being used and is fun in casual play, while not buffing the garbage sets? Or maybe dont nerf the fun set, and try to bring other sets closer to its level so players will use MORE sets in the game.

Your balancing decisions are so terrible I'm furious. Maybe if you thought iceheart was too good, you could try a small nerf, like nerf the shield strength down to 7k or 6k. It would still be a good set with CP. What you did GUARANTEES no one will use it.

Is that what you want? One more set no one will use. You guys are really in charge of design? Damn that's scary.

RABIDxWOLVERINE

What’s the Iceheart nerf? That sucks to find out

Nemesis7884

...logic...lol i guess you are new here

Odovacar

Outside of people using it for solo play i.e dungeons/vMA a lot of trial groups would used it to cheese no death for IR and GH with barrier spam … pretty big shield came with that O.o

EDIT: kudos to them too

kind_hero

RABIDxWOLVERINE wrote: »

What’s the Iceheart nerf? That sucks to find out

As in patch v5.3.2:
Iceheart:

• Reduced the damage shield this set provides to 6050 from 8600.
• Reduced the damage per tick to 500 from 770.
• Increased the cooldown to 12 seconds from 6.

Developer comment

Iceheart has long been a powerful defensive set that has become a staple for situations where you want to sacrifice damage for survivability, especially in instances such as Maelstrom Arena and no-death Trial runs. While we love the idea of this set helping in those contexts, the value of defensive and offensive potential this set provided was leagues beyond our standards when comparing it to other sets such as Brands of the Imperium or Phoenix.

SidraWillowsky

RABIDxWOLVERINE wrote: »

What’s the Iceheart nerf? That sucks to find out

It's not a nerf so much as it is an obliteration.

Vogtard

Topics like this remind me of the Veiled Heritance

gatekeeper13

ZOS logic is simple... We have to sell the new DLC.... New DLC contains a new monster set that is similar to Iceheart but weaker... So we obliterate Iceheart to make people buy new DLC...

You may have spent hours farming Iceheart helm, spending keys for shoulder and trying to farm 100 crystals for right traits... And now ZOS comes and destroys your build as it has done many, many times before...

colossalvoids

Vogtard wrote: »

Topics like this remind me of the Veiled Heritance

And ravager flashbacks

MaxJrFTW

Sort of like the overnerfing the earthgore and pirate skeleton. Nobody uses those sets anymore because they made them useless. This one is actually worse because very few people used iceheart to begin with.

Go ahead and add it to the countless sets in the game that are complete garbage.

Freakin_Hytte

Can't you guys just post in one of the other ice heart threads? Why do you have to spam the entire forum, creating the exact same thread?

Yes yes it sucks for those of you who can't survive in Vma without it, but creating dussins of threads for this? Really?

And yes yes zos is being very naughty for nerfing this in order to promote the new set in the dlc. Omg, they are sooo naughty what shall we do?! Let's spam the forum talking about the exact same thing.

HappyTheCamper

I’m not as mad at the nerf, compared to that lame excuse they gave. They literally used the same excuse when nerfing all the damage sets last year, but just flipped the words “survivability” and “damage” in their paragraph.

Seriously all the DPS nerfs they did were done because too many players were sacrificing survivability for damage. Now they do this? They literally have no idea what their own goals are!!!

Granicus

Completely ridiculous. Further proof ZoS has no idea what it’s doing. No logic, no customer awareness. ZoS shooting itself in the foot. Yet again.

svartorn

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

ZOS logic is simple... We have to sell the new DLC.... New DLC contains a new monster set that is similar to Iceheart but weaker... So we obliterate Iceheart to make people buy new DLC...

You may have spent hours farming Iceheart helm, spending keys for shoulder and trying to farm 100 crystals for right traits... And now ZOS comes and destroys your build as it has done many, many times before...

Yep.

Complete, utter disdain for the player community by the dev team. Awful.

Kadoin

Don't worry, Iceheart was balanced as a 2-piece just as BRP DW and Resto were...

Oh wait...

CassandraGemini

This thread is going to get shut down just like the other "duplicates" of the one main Iceheart thread. ZOS doesn't want to deal with the *** decision they made there and try to justify it instead, like they always do. No matter how many people complained about the racial passive changes for Bosmer and Argonians (and that we still continue to do so), they have never acknowledged that they made mistakes there. Iceheart will suffer the same fate.

Darkstorne

That niche set some people used because they chose fun playstyles over min/maxing? Yep, send that *** straight to Oblivion with a triple nerf.

YIKES ZOS.

Hapexamendios

Like most other nerfs, this doesn't need to happen. Not holding my breath that logic will prevail though.

Tommy_The_Gun

karekiz

WTB orb set / Alkosh Set / Torug's set / Yolo set nerf

Then I might start to begin to attempt to think about imperium

CASP3R421

YE4hR1GHT

I agree very much.
This is an over-nerf.

ZOS developers are frequently bad drivers, first they greatly understeering, lose control, than greatly oversteering to compensate, and they are in the grass (or more frequently against a pilon).

Then they lose players, and they are forced to spend millions of dollars to recolor mounts, design new collectibles and armor motifs to bring back the players.

gatekeeper13

karekiz wrote: »

WTB orb set / Alkosh Set / Torug's set / Yolo set nerf

Then I might start to begin to attempt to think about imperium

I used Imperium set for some time in my tank... Was helpful in some tough situations but most time shield didnt proc... Bad set as it is now...

RANKK7

Oh nice! I stayed the hell away from this game for months now, today I enter the forum to see if something improved and see this freaking nerf. Too funny.

Way to go ZOS. Glad I stopped playing, see you in another few months.

Who knows what you'll be nerfing when I'll check back. I get the feeling it will be hilarious to find out as this one. Keep it up!

ZOS_Volpe

Hi there,

We are going to close this thread down because there is a thread already discussing the changes to Iceheart in our PTS Patch Notes. To keep all of the feedback consolidated into one place, you may continue the discussion here.

Thank you for your understanding.