Should players have a minimum of 24 character slots?

Acrolas

I have 18 characters, and 15 of them wind up holding extra stuff all year. It's fun to think that you're going to have a character ready for any situation. But the reality is a lot of managerial headaches and diminishing returns. If I could just get rid of all the extra stuff on my account, I'd probably edit down to five characters. Two main that I've spent the most time developing, and three support because they offer something a little different and can be used in other alliances for guild events.

How much cutting and editing could you do before you felt your account was too far gone to recover from? I have one character I would quit the game over if I deleted it. 5.55% of my roster is essential. Anything else I wouldn't care about two or three days from now. It's nice to have a lot of stuff to play around with. But most of it brings far more hassle than enjoyment...

SydneyGrey

Yes, I want more character slots.

Gadget4 wrote: »

If people want more character slots, & if it’s possible to have those extra slots, then go for it
... Be prepared for a drop in ESO+ subs though ... more slots could mean more mules

People who want more slots tend to just enjoy trying out different characters ... different builds, or different characters for roleplay reasons. They don't want "more mules." If you have ESO+ already, how many mules do you need?

Nanfoodle

Yes. I may not use them, but others should be able to have them if they want them.

I would never play more then a few characters. IMO if you want 24 characters you may need to examine priorities. But I'm not gonna stand in anyone's way of a MMO obsession, I had mine in 1999 with EQ1 and DAoC.

OneForSorrow

Yes, I want more character slots.

ArchMikem wrote: »

I have 6. I only really log in to 3 of them. I have absolutely no comprehension how someone can keep up with 24.

Designated Crafters are a beautiful thing.

Sylvermynx

Yes. I may not use them, but others should be able to have them if they want them.

Amber322 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

This really begs the question. Is OP going to tank, heal, and dps both stam and magicka with each class to the point the need 4 of each class dedicated to such a degree that it needs a perfect build to it's intent.

The likely answer is no.

I respectfully disagree.
It was hard for me to have a limit of 50 characters in WoW. Some of that was due to wanting to play on multiple servers, but still. I enjoy making each character proficient in a particular build. Whether that's simply mag dps, stam dps, healing, tanking, or a mix of any of the above.

I do love to have at least 1 stamina dps build and 1 magicka dps build of each class. That's mandatory for me.

But, this thread isn't about "OP", so I'm not sure why you're singling me out.
This is about me being curious about how other people feel. If there's a big enough desire to have more character slots for whatever the reason may be.

How did you have a limit of 50 toons in WoW? When I quit in 2013 I had 70 toons, 10 each on 7 servers - after I deleted the other 10 on the pvp server I played on for a while. I wasn't going to move them to a pve server at that point. Yes I could have afforded it, but they were "themed" to the Horde guild I was running with, and I really didn't.... like any of them very much. Except for Wyn.... oh, let me show everyone the hilarious reality of a Tauren with a REALLY BIG AXE:

Gadget4 wrote: »

If people want more character slots, & if it’s possible to have those extra slots, then go for it

... Be prepared for a drop in ESO+ subs though ... more slots could mean more mules

Ugh. I would never use mules. ESO+ is mine for life.

Jayroo

No.

if they do increase them, I want my crowns back lmfao

spartaxoxo

No.

I think it would probably be difficult from a technical limit, and probably be bad for economic reasons on PC. Beyond that I think that game companies striking a balance between adults doing whatever they want and limiting some extremely unhealthy behavior is a good thing. The current limit is probably close to what you can manage to keep track of without either some type of automation or extremely unhealthy behavior. Maybe they can give a little more. I don't know.

lagrue

Starlock wrote: »

Serious question worth asking - why is there a limit in the first place? Especially if you are an ESO+ subscriber?

Because server storage space isn't free. It's why every game with server side saves has limitations.

Not to mention ESO Plus itself is already "overvalued" based on what ZOS gives in it compared to their pricing model.

Even if that weren't the case, all it would take is one guy to spam make 600 characters and boom, ZOS is paying an extra couple GB worth of storage space on their server costs (and we already know how little they invest in that department) which would lead to their expenses quickly overshadowing any profit from ESO+.

LoneStar2911

Yes, I want more character slots.

Jayroo wrote: »

if they do increase them, I want my crowns back lmfao

I mentioned in the original post that the character slots would be sold from the crown store, just like the extras are now. So, no getting your crowns back! Sorry!

Sylvermynx wrote: »

How did you have a limit of 50 toons in WoW? When I quit in 2013 I had 70 toons

Hate to sound cliché, but I played since vanilla and don't ever recall being able to make more than 50 characters. Whenever I'd try to surpass 50, it told me I was at the maximum.

In patch 8.1.5, WoW actually changed it to where it could be 50 characters per realm, instead of only 18 per realm.

But anyway, that's not really that important. It's not the game I'd like to focus on in this thread. lol.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The current limit is probably close to what you can manage to keep track of without either some type of automation or extremely unhealthy behavior.

Just because I, and others, want at least 24 character slots has nothing to do with using automation or unhealthy behavior.
Personally, I like to level characters in new ways and then they get put on "the shelf" until I get bored, want to change mains, want a little variety, or my friends are looking for something specific for a group, or whatever. I collect character alts. Some people like collecting other things.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sylvermynx

Yes. I may not use them, but others should be able to have them if they want them.

I keep track of mine with a spreadsheet. It's not a problem. Personally, I don't need any more than I have now, but if others want them, and the servers can handle it, I don't see an issue.

LoneStar2911

Yes, I want more character slots.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I keep track of mine with a spreadsheet. It's not a problem. Personally, I don't need any more than I have now, but if others want them, and the servers can handle it, I don't see an issue.

lol! I do, too! As does my wife! Go us!
I actually take screenshots of my characters with their helms off in the character selection screen, to help ensure I don't create characters that look too much alike.

Anotherone773

Yes. I may not use them, but others should be able to have them if they want them.

I dont think there should be a max number, but i do think you should have to pay for anything above X( X in my opinion should be two of every class)

Sylvermynx

Yes. I may not use them, but others should be able to have them if they want them.

Amber322 wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I keep track of mine with a spreadsheet. It's not a problem. Personally, I don't need any more than I have now, but if others want them, and the servers can handle it, I don't see an issue.

lol! I do, too! As does my wife! Go us!
I actually take screenshots of my characters with their helms off in the character selection screen, to help ensure I don't create characters that look too much alike.

Well.... most of mine look like the idealized "me" (well, not the guys....) from high school senior photo (very highly "tatted up" by a photog from LA.... not sure why the school went there....)

My girls are everything I never was: tall, slim, built, athletic. Why have a fantasy if you don't go all the way?

idk

TheValkyn wrote: »

idk wrote: »

This really begs the question. Is OP going to tank, heal, and dps both stam and magicka with each class to the point the need 4 of each class dedicated to such a degree that it needs a perfect build to it's intent.

The likely answer is no. Most content can be healed with a magicka dps merely slotting an rstaff and a couple healing skills and that is when they want to heal most of the time. I have tanked dungeons with both magicka and stamina dps characters merely by swapping out skills and gear and not changing anything else.

Regardless, we know the number of characters tied to a server does effect server load. It is why Zos is mothballing accounts and their characters if they have not logged in during a certain period of time. Point is, doubt Zos will adapt the same philosophy even if they do add a few more character slots.

TheValkyn wrote: »

I have around 40 characters on SWTOR. I think the limit per server is 100.

SWTOR has weekly lockouts for end game characters not to mention it does not have the server load to begin with. If you tank on one specific class and run that content multiple times a week then multiple of that class is needed.

Server load is irrelevant. You can only play one character at a time. ESO also has daily lockouts.

Not so fast. You seemed to have missed a point I made. I will provide further detail here that comes from Zos Performance Improvement Plan. Q2 2020 U26

Account Database “Cold Storage”
There are millions of accounts in our database. The goal of this task is to split the character database into “active” and “inactive” shards to remove the need to pool all the character records for all logins

So it does seem that the more character records there are there seems to be a performance impact. In other words, it is relevant. Seems very relevant.

idk

Amber322 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

This really begs the question. Is OP going to tank, heal, and dps both stam and magicka with each class to the point the need 4 of each class dedicated to such a degree that it needs a perfect build to it's intent.

The likely answer is no.

I respectfully disagree.
It was hard for me to have a limit of 50 characters in WoW. Some of that was due to wanting to play on multiple servers, but still. I enjoy making each character proficient in a particular build. Whether that's simply mag dps, stam dps, healing, tanking, or a mix of any of the above.

I do love to have at least 1 stamina dps build and 1 magicka dps build of each class. That's mandatory for me.

But, this thread isn't about "OP", so I'm not sure why you're singling me out.
This is about me being curious about how other people feel. If there's a big enough desire to have more character slots for whatever the reason may be.

Actually, you did not refute what I actually said. Granted, you like running different characters, Great. In SWTOR I has multiple of the same class as well. About 40 characters in total. It was really due to weekly lockouts which does not exist in ESO.

BTW, I have no issue with how many characters someone has and could care less. You edited out the more important and relevant part of my comment that is likely why Zos limits us to the number of slots we can currently have. Hopefully they do improve performance enough to give us some QoL items but for now I expect they will slowly dole out an additional slot or three from time to time.

Nerouyn

Yes, I want more character slots.

Vampires are supposedly getting a sexy redesign and nightblade is the vampiest class.

Could be that not everyone has nightblades though or maybe not ones they want to vamp.

When they first announced it I wished for a few more slots. But now I'm not sure. I was mesmerized by the idea of being able to have essentially a class with 4 skill tress. Cos playing mostly mag warden with their ridiculously low number of damage abilities, it gets boring super fast.

But I've been playing my necro recently with the event and while design-wise they're sooooo much better than wardens with all of their abilities being multi purpose and potentially useful for any role, I'm just not into necros. Similarly I'm not especially into vampires. So I'm not sure.

Starlock wrote: »

Serious question worth asking - why is there a limit in the first place? Especially if you are an ESO+ subscriber?

Character names in ESO are unique and there's a single server. Ignoring the EU server which by all accounts everyone does.

If character slots were unlimited it would be much harder for new players to find good names. Even now years after launch there are still good ones available.

And there's money.

ZO's MO is to release a new class and only offer a very measly few extra character slots.

Probably their crazed fantasy is that people will go gaga over the new class and stymied by lack of character slots, buy a new account instead and rebuy all the crown store / crown crate stuff for it. Maybe a few people actually do.

Beardimus

No.

Personally speaking I don't think there is a need. Who has that kinda time !!

snoozy

Yes. I may not use them, but others should be able to have them if they want them.

i think there shouldn't be a limit.

and i think we shouldn't have to buy them! at least not as eso+ subscribers!

FierceSam

Yes, I want more character slots.

And I should not have to pay extra for them

Banana

Other.

I'm happy with 2.

AzurasDaddy

Yes, I want more character slots.

ArchMikem wrote: »

I have 6. I only really log in to 3 of them. I have absolutely no comprehension how someone can keep up with 24.

I have all 18 right now, at least 2 of each class. I, like OP, like the idea of creating different builds with different classes. Not just have a Templar healer, a DK tank, etc. I only log into the ones that need mount upgrades daily, but I like being able to choose to get on a necro healer sometimes or a warden tank, plus it helps with trials to be able to have diverse builds for certain roles.

AzurasDaddy

Yes, I want more character slots.

4 different specs?

Tank pve
Tank pvp utility
Tank pvp troll build
Mag pve
Mag pvp
Stam pve
Stam pvp
Healer pve
Healer pvp

Not to mention with nightblade a person may want a MagBlade ganker, one as a bomber, and another as a brawler.

Or for MagCro a harmony build and a brawler.

ZOS I'll give you all the moneys if you sell me more character slots, I need at least 13.

January1171

Other.

Regardless of what people want, it's not going to happen without a new class. One of the big performance improvement items coming up is splitting active and inactive characters into two different databases so when loading, the system doesn't have to search through all characters. Adding more character slots would make this problem way worse.

Shantu

No.

Just think of the data they'd have to manage if every account had 24 characters...and most of that would just lay there, meaningless, taking up space on a hard drive somewhere.

Seriously, if you need 24 characters to play this game, you've probably got health issues you need to be more concerned about.

Donny_Vito

No.

Should? Meaning they have some sort of responsibility to provide us with that many slots. Definitely not, that's absurd. But could they allow you to purchase that many at a price increase after a certain number of slots....that seems like an acceptable meeting point.

ghastley

Other.

Voted other to challenge the math. Ten races times two genders = 20. Six classes times three roles (tank, healer/DPS) = 18. There are probably a lot of other factors that could be multiplied for an arbitrary number.

In reality, you pick class, race, etc to best fit what you want the character to do, and of those choices, the only thing you can't change later is class. There are six classes, so nobody needs more than six.

idk

AzurasDaddy wrote: »

4 different specs?

Tank pve
Tank pvp utility
Tank pvp troll build
Mag pve
Mag pvp
Stam pve
Stam pvp
Healer pve
Healer pvp

Not to mention with nightblade a person may want a MagBlade ganker, one as a bomber, and another as a brawler.

Or for MagCro a harmony build and a brawler.

ZOS I'll give you all the moneys if you sell me more character slots, I need at least 13.

OMG yes, PvP. We need 48 charcter slots so we can have a tank, healer, stam DPS, Mag DPS for each class in both PvE and PvP.

Add in another 12 slots to bring that to a total of 60 for specialized builds such as the ganker, bomber and more.

svartorn

Yes. I may not use them, but others should be able to have them if they want them.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Ugh. I would never use mules. ESO+ is mine for life.

I still have a mule holding tons of armor sets I don’t use, in addition to sets I DO use in my home storage and my bank. Never know when something will be buffed or nerfed without warning in this game since the devs don’t look that far ahead.

LoneStar2911

Yes, I want more character slots.

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Should? Meaning they have some sort of responsibility to provide us with that many slots. Definitely not, that's absurd. But could they allow you to purchase that many at a price increase after a certain number of slots....that seems like an acceptable meeting point.

That was extremely nitpicky and petty.
If you really read the original post, I mention how they'd probably have to be bought through the crown store. Which, personally, I'd be okay with.

Don't get stuck on a single word. It doesn't do you any favors.

Rasande_Robin

No.

I've never been able to play more than one at the time. I also think dual-boxing is illegal anyways. So why would you want more. I'd rather see they smash all classes into one. Where if you choose one "skill-tree" you lock out the others.