[Furnishing plans] Materials are out of control? How about a method to the madness

Dusk_Coven

So upcoming there's going to be a basket of bread. And it'll need Perfect Roe. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6556149/#Comment_6556149
WHY???
And it's a basket of bread. Why is it even a Gold furnishing plan? For a basket. of. bread. Just go to the market and buy some crusty bread.

Let's assume that they actually need to limit the number of furnishing that get created (why?).
Can they not at least make the list of stuff involve reasonable / related items?
And why so many? Maybe a purple or gold plan should have something exotic to make them exclusive, but blues and greens really don't need that same treatment nor a ton of materials.

How about a method to the madness?

Green = X materials
Blue = X materials + style material for the culture
Purple = X material + style material + something exotic
Gold = X material + style material + something exotic + 1 voucher ?

Jaraal

I'm still laughing about the Summerset furnishings that take a chromium plating.



Lol!

Anska

With the Jewlery Box and the Kettle (the ones which use the Chromium Plating) I don't mind the golden material so much because the item you get in the end is an eyecatcher. The same goes for most of the items you have to sacrifice Perfect Roe for (I love the pottery wheel). But in case of the bread basket (and the mortar and pestle, while I am at it) I will think twice about how many I'll make - if any at all. Which really is a shame, since it is such a nice every day kitchen item.

Still, if a whole roasted chicken is cheaper to "cook" than a basket of bread, I am quite sure what will end up decorating the dining table.

Tigerseye

Jaraal wrote: »

I'm still laughing about the Summerset furnishings that take a chromium plating.



Lol!

That clock is quite impressive, though (you can see the moving workings through the glass) and the dragon box is also nice.

I don't really mind spending a Chromium on one, occasionally.

Tigerseye

Anska wrote: »

With the Jewlery Box and the Kettle (the ones which use the Chromium Plating) I don't mind the golden material so much because the item you get in the end is an eyecatcher. The same goes for most of the items you have to sacrifice Perfect Roe for (I love the pottery wheel). But in case of the bread basket (and the mortar and pestle, while I am at it) I will think twice about how many I'll make - if any at all. Which really is a shame, since it is such a nice every day kitchen item.

Still, if a whole roasted chicken is cheaper to "cook" than a basket of bread, I am quite sure what will end up decorating the dining table.

Yeah, but it's all about variety and also, saving slots.

The chicken is great, but a chicken and a bread basket (and a cake!) is better.

So, I will be making some.

Obviously, I would prefer it if they were less expensive to make, though.

I think the issue is more with the green furnishings, that cost a lot of mats to make, however.

Olauron

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

So upcoming there's going to be a basket of bread. And it'll need Perfect Roe. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6556149/#Comment_6556149
WHY???
And it's a basket of bread. Why is it even a Gold furnishing plan? For a basket. of. bread. Just go to the market and buy some crusty bread.

That is the sandwich with roe except it is without roe. But you must give roe to the cook nevertheless. Never trust a Khajiit.

newtinmpls

I wonder what this will do to the price of perfect roe?

Alinhbo_Tyaka

newtinmpls wrote: »

I wonder what this will do to the price of perfect roe?

I don't know but it makes me glad I didn't sell the row I obtained while working on my Master Fisher achievement.

Dusk_Coven

Tigerseye wrote: »

Yeah, but it's all about variety and also, saving slots.

That would make it one of the biggest scams in grinding.

Green plan = 1 loaf, Blue = 2, Purple = 4, Gold = 6? Ooh free basket if you spend a Perfect Roe too!

Lame.
All piles of bread loaves should be white unless somehow the furnishing looks amazing.
How are you gonna make a bakery the way things are?

B0SSzombie

You know, since Furnishing Crafters are also usually Gear Crafters, why not have Furnishing Materials available as rewards for daily Writs?

Like, completing a Writ could give you 1-5 of the Furnishing Material related to the type of Writ you hand in.

Would help with the crazy prices some of the Furnishing Mats go for, like Mundane runes and Heartwood.

Nestor

On one hand, Perfect Roe is not used all that often for Exp Potions, but still, it is a rare item.

On the other hand, how many bread baskets are you going to make?

I would state my third point, but I have run out of hands.

Dusk_Coven

Nestor wrote: »

On one hand, Perfect Roe is not used all that often for Exp Potions, but still, it is a rare item.
On the other hand, how many bread baskets are you going to make?

Ah, but did you consider that before or after discovering Perfect Roe is needed?
Is it really necessary to limit the creation of furnishings so much?

If they didn't want crafters/furnishings to dominate the guild stores they'd make Golden Vendor furnishings bound.

Tigerseye

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Yeah, but it's all about variety and also, saving slots.

That would make it one of the biggest scams in grinding.

Green plan = 1 loaf, Blue = 2, Purple = 4, Gold = 6? Ooh free basket if you spend a Perfect Roe too!

Lame.
All piles of bread loaves should be white unless somehow the furnishing looks amazing.
How are you gonna make a bakery the way things are?

Well, yeah, that is a good point - it is going to cost a lot, if you want to make several baskets for a bakery.

If everyone suddenly wants to do that, the price of Roe will go up, obviously.

I was, personally, thinking more about making one per house/kitchen, at most, as I rarely have the spare slots to make multiples of these things.

You know why I'm, also, not getting too upset about this?

Because, even though a Roe is expensive, it is not going to be my major issue with furnishing mats.

Not even close...

This is because:

a) The price of Perfect Roe didn't suddenly go through the roof when they introduced the other furnishings that use it.

b) I'm far more worried that, to make a single Bread, Braided (which is only a blue recipe), for example, I need 10 x Decorative Wax and 7 x Mundane Runes (amongst other things).

The price of these furnishing mats really does add up - it would cost about 17K gold, in those two mats alone, to make 5 little Braided rolls!

According to my MM, they cost about 3.9K each to make, in total.

So, that's 19.5K, just for the rolls alone, then you have to add in the cost of the Alinor Bread Basket (about 2.7K).

So, that's over 22K, in total, for the equivalent cobble; plus you have used up 6 precious housing slots, rather than one.*

Before you can even do that, you have to go and find all these furnishing mats, for a half-reasonable (i.e. somewhere around the MM price) price.

That, to stock up on multiples of one mat alone, literally, takes hours.

It's a job in itself.

That is far more stressful, for me, than having to find a single, reasonably priced, Perfect Roe.

Or even a few of them, for a bakery.

Again, not saying this new basket is not overpriced, though - just that it isn't my primary concern.



* I, personally, only put 3 Bread, Braided in the basket (as that is time consuming enough!), but still.

Tigerseye

B0SSzombie wrote: »

You know, since Furnshing Crafters are also usually Gear Crafters, why not have Furnishing Materials available as rewards for daily Writs?

Like, completing a Writ could give you 1-5 of the Furnishing Material related to the type of Writ you hand in.

Would help with the crazy prices some of the Furnishing Mats go for, like Mundane runes and Heartwood.

I would love that.

Anska

B0SSzombie wrote: »

You know, since Furnshing Crafters are also usually Gear Crafters, why not have Furnishing Materials available as rewards for daily Writs?

Like, completing a Writ could give you 1-5 of the Furnishing Material related to the type of Writ you hand in.

Would help with the crazy prices some of the Furnishing Mats go for, like Mundane runes and Heartwood.

That would be nice. Though I'd much prefer it if the nodes from the material-treasure maps ( The ones you can get from crafting dailies.) had a chance of dropping furnishing materials - even if it was nirncrux slim.

Jayne_Doe

Anska wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

You know, since Furnshing Crafters are also usually Gear Crafters, why not have Furnishing Materials available as rewards for daily Writs?

Like, completing a Writ could give you 1-5 of the Furnishing Material related to the type of Writ you hand in.

Would help with the crazy prices some of the Furnishing Mats go for, like Mundane runes and Heartwood.

That would be nice. Though I'd much prefer it if the nodes from the material-treasure maps ( The ones you can get from crafting dailies.) had a chance of dropping furnishing materials - even if it was nirncrux slim.

Agree with you both! Nircrux-like drop rate from surveys seems reasonable, but I'm doubtful they would do this, as players would just hoard surveys until the patch launched. And, there are a few players who say they are sitting on tons of crafting surveys as it is, and only collect them when they get at least 10 of one.

I think the chance to drop from daily crafting writs would be better and more probable for them to actually do. Still, I like the idea of them dropping from surveys.

Dusk_Coven

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

And, there are a few players who say they are sitting on tons of crafting surveys as it is, and only collect them when they get at least 10 of one.

Since surveys are bound, those are merely delayed rewards you didn't pick up right away. Just because someone has huge stacks of them doesn't make it unfair. You can't get them any other way than doing your writs. And delaying picking up your surveys for a better time isn't as different as shifting them to a cp 160 max crafter to optimize your yield.

And I think you can get Titanium and worms from survey nodes right now(?) unlocking all the normal possible drops isn't such a stretch IMO.

As for Nirncrux, I'm pretty sure no one farms them from nodes -- They decon transmuted items they made from piles of Geodes they get from Rewards of the Worthy. So trying to benchmark drops with nirncrux isn't necessary.
How about they make it reasonable since trying to craft a table setting of 1 fork 1 knife 1 spoon is already silly in mat cost (or, you know, make a wooden fork just use normal wood only?)

Minyassa

I would plan to take full advantage of the Anniversary event this year but I don't know what they'll do to it so I'll have to see. They apparently didn't like that people could do their event quests all in crafting before last year so they changed it to curtail that and force more varied activity (not that it worked for people who just don't like all those activities). Who knows what changes they'll make this year. Nevertheless, it should be a chance to stock up on at least some mats and get a head start.

I practice my own method of price control on mats--if I think they are a silly price, I don't buy them, I just go farm them myself. It takes longer, but I'm crafting housing furnishings, it's not like I'm in a huge hurry to begin with. Housing is not one of the things I rush, it's the most relaxing thing this game has to offer me.

xaraan

My first time seeing that basket of bread. That's ridiculous lol. 15 heartwood, 2 shimmering sand, perfect roe, etc. For a basket of bread?!?! does it do something magical?

Dusk_Coven

xaraan wrote: »

My first time seeing that basket of bread. That's ridiculous lol. 15 heartwood, 2 shimmering sand, perfect roe, etc. For a basket of bread?!?! does it do something magical?

Yes. It bankrupts you.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

xaraan wrote: »

My first time seeing that basket of bread. That's ridiculous lol. 15 heartwood, 2 shimmering sand, perfect roe, etc. For a basket of bread?!?! does it do something magical?

Yes. You can eat all you want and not gain an inch.

Ajaxandriel

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

My first time seeing that basket of bread. That's ridiculous lol. 15 heartwood, 2 shimmering sand, perfect roe, etc. For a basket of bread?!?! does it do something magical?

Yes. It bankrupts you.

Homestead bankrupts me so hard.