Don't play PVP.

drkfrontiers

PvP can be fun if you go into it with the belief that you will die. Alot.

A good measure of improvement is not NOT dying. Its how long it takes to die.

Measure that and you off to the races, and ignore xv1 deaths (they don't count.)

ShellaSunshine

kargen27 wrote: »

kingsforged wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

well, there's nothing forcing you into pvp, and the game is mainly pve.

Literally a PVP event on right now.

I've been doing the event on a 2nd account and so far the only enemy player I saw waved to me and went on their merry way. This event is happening in a PvP zone but there is PvE content in there that will give you rewards. Don't remember if some of the achievements are PvP exclusive but if you don't PvP those achievements shouldn't matter anyway.

OMG was it me that waved at you? Are you EP by any chance? I waved at someone in a DC town a few days ago picking up quests.

Any time I see low levels doing town quests during PvP event, I usually wave at them to show them I will not try to ruin their day doing the PvE quests in that zone.

Last year doing Midyear Mayhem, high level players were staking out towns and areas with skyshards to jump on new players which completely made me sick. PvP events bring out the worst type of people so I always try to wave at enemy players that I feel like don't PvP much so they feel welcome. I usually say in zone chat, hey don't kill xxx player because they are doing quests. They are friendlies

zvavi

kingsforged wrote: »

Here's your "balance", and "anyone can do it". Go ahead, try and tell me these people could compete if they "just did this or that"... and I'm not even using a dedicated PVP build, I'm using the 2 best DPS sets I could slap together with 6 trait crafting...

There's HUNDREDS if not thousands of matches like these, where 1-3 players who are fully geared up just slaughter everybody else like it was nothing.

New(er) players CANNOT compete in the current system. And I'm not blaming them, I'm blaming the game design that gives EVERY possible advantage to longer term players to just destroy new ones. Anyone who can't see the obvious flaws here are either exploiting the system to their advantage and trying to cover it up, or in complete and utter denial.

https://imgur.com/a/yUxucw7

You know. I did some bg when i just started playing. Had fun, died a lot, killed a bit. But i mean. I dont expect newbies being able to stand up to vets... Both in game mechanics (during the match) and theory crafting (before it).

I think, that if i start again, without memories or anything, i would try out battlegrounds as well. Just like now, i wouldnt enjoy it too much, but i would find it sometimes fun.

So please take your "recommendation" and let people decide on their own, because it obviously makes sense for newbies to get owned at pvp in a game they are new to...

Coppes

There are some MMOs that allow noobs in PvP to have some fun, despite them not being skilled.

SWTOR has gear scaled up to close to max, so the only thing carrying you is your skill. (Gear does matter though, set bonuses can change the battle a lot. But a good player without a set bonus can beat a bad player
with one).

The result is that even bad/noob players can compete with skilled players making it somewhat fun for both sides.

I think ZoS needs to stop adding more sets into the game and focus on reworking the suffering sets.

JAwtunes

OP, you know there is a cheat code right? Type LFG in zone chat - this will give you a new skill called summon zerg.

tspecherb14_ESO

I am enjoying the event. Good break from PvE. Even jumped into BG's for the first time. I have died a lot but also got better. Ended up finishing off the Whitestrake achievements to get the Wreath.

JanTanhide

Na0cho wrote: »

I literally just made a char (my son wanted to try the game so I started over with him) I leveled it to 10 and went to cyro banged out some quick xp till level 15 then went straight to bg’s.

I’m having no issues. The scaling prevents it being too bad. Also I did not craft myself anything I’m literally rocking rewards of the worthy gear.

Also op if you would like a set crafted just ask.

Sets for below level 50 are so cheap I’d do it for free.

I’m sure others would as well.

Cyro is so much easier than bg’s if you are bad. Stay in the Zerg and don’t fall too far behind.

Sounds a lot like l2p even though I dislike that terminology.

Agree. It really isn't bad at all. PVP can be a lot of fun. Issues some have is they expect to be Top Dog right off the bat.

Have fun, take it slow and enjoy the game. Progress upwards like everyone else over time.

Tan9oSuccka

Cirantille wrote: »

That is somewhat true.

I think only first characters should be allowed in below 50.

Because it is very unfriendly and frankly I do not understand why would anyone bother to play in below 50.

I went there with my alt and it was... absurd

People siege resources there, like they don't even put up a fight because they are NEW.

I felt bad and left. Because clearly we are not at matching levels and this is no FUN.

Not for me.

But some people can not manage to kill PvPers at their levels so they will do that to get somewhat satisfaction.

No way to fight back when you can not craft and poor

But fear not, you'll be able to in about few months and you will flex them in above 50

It can be fun, but the sweaty neck beards ruin it.

The sweaty’s go into under 50 with gold meta gear and tower dance against casuals leveling.

*golf clap*

BackStabeth

I'm a PVE player, I am not involving myself in the current even in any way. I don't want to PvP, I don't want to support PvP, I don't want to engage in PvP specially when I feel I am being forced or manipulated to. I am so over PvP, so tired of all the crap that comes along with it. I have evolved over time from being strictly a PvP player in MMOs, to not wanting to involve myself in PvP play at all.

I will avoid PvP to the point I will discontinue playing this game if I am required to play PvP. So long as I can ignore it, and it's not a requirement, I will continue to support the game, and involve myself.

I get it, I totally understand, I have been involved in many, many MMOs where PvP dies, it always does. When you are addicted to it, when you feel you need that fix, you will do just about anything in game to get it, including trying to convince others how fun it is. It's no longer fun for me personally, so nothing, not anything will ever convince me to do any PvP ever again. It's just simply how I am now. If you really want PvP content, then you will have to accept that most people, the vast overwhelming majority are not going to want to play with you in that regard. You will never convince those people, and they will never want to play with you.

Rave the Histborn

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

That is somewhat true.

I think only first characters should be allowed in below 50.

Because it is very unfriendly and frankly I do not understand why would anyone bother to play in below 50.

I went there with my alt and it was... absurd

People siege resources there, like they don't even put up a fight because they are NEW.

I felt bad and left. Because clearly we are not at matching levels and this is no FUN.

Not for me.

But some people can not manage to kill PvPers at their levels so they will do that to get somewhat satisfaction.

No way to fight back when you can not craft and poor

But fear not, you'll be able to in about few months and you will flex them in above 50

It can be fun, but the sweaty neck beards ruin it.

The sweaty’s go into under 50 with gold meta gear and tower dance against casuals leveling.

*golf clap*

So you're mad that you're using pvp to level and there's people there that wreck you but they're the problem be cause they set up for pvp.

Maybe trade in ESO for a Switch? I hear Mario doesn't have those same meany people in it

Nanfoodle

kingsforged wrote: »

If you're new or new-ish player, just don't play PVP. ESPECIALLY below Level 50.

Absolutely ZERO thought or effort has gone into maintaining ANY kind of balance in any of the PVP game modes. Below level 50 being some of the absolute worst of it. If you can't craft top-tier gear, buffs and potions (which can take months to research enough traits to do) and pay to unlock the extra skill lines (maxed out using a high level main) using Crowns, you have absolutely NO chance of competing AT ALL.

It's not a question of skill or class. It's not a question of builds. You can't "git gud". It's a pure "craft and pay to win" game and there's nothing you can do about it.

If you're looking for a PVP game to jump into. This isn't it. Don't waste your time or your money.

First off, below level 50 there is PvP BG and Cyrodill just for them and speaking as a new player, I had a ton of fun doing them. Getting level 50, there is a curve thats a little work to get up to snuff. But trust me, coming from games like WoW where your gear is all that mattered. ESO PvP is just fine before you get the best gear/build/CP level. RPGs are progression games and if you are upset you dinged 50 and not as powerful as people playing for 6 years, you have bad expectations. I have been playing PvP since I unlocked it, and only been here 7 months. IM HAVING A BLAST!!!!!

Tan9oSuccka

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

That is somewhat true.

I think only first characters should be allowed in below 50.

Because it is very unfriendly and frankly I do not understand why would anyone bother to play in below 50.

I went there with my alt and it was... absurd

People siege resources there, like they don't even put up a fight because they are NEW.

I felt bad and left. Because clearly we are not at matching levels and this is no FUN.

Not for me.

But some people can not manage to kill PvPers at their levels so they will do that to get somewhat satisfaction.

No way to fight back when you can not craft and poor

But fear not, you'll be able to in about few months and you will flex them in above 50

It can be fun, but the sweaty neck beards ruin it.

The sweaty’s go into under 50 with gold meta gear and tower dance against casuals leveling.

*golf clap*

So you're mad that you're using pvp to level and there's people there that wreck you but they're the problem be cause they set up for pvp.

Maybe trade in ESO for a Switch? I hear Mario doesn't have those same meany people in it

Sweaty spotted.

They are free to play as they see fit, but don’t get it twisted. It’s not skill killing non geared level 10s.

Maybe go outside and get some exercise? I hear weight loss will make you sweat less while playing video games. The fellas won’t be so mean to you.....

pieratsos

kingsforged wrote: »

Andddd here's the problem with everything you've all said... I'm NOT the one having the issues. It's the people I'm being grouped with every game where only 2-3 players out of 12 are racking up 10-30 kills, and these poor, new, average players are lucky to score a SINGLE kill. They complain in group chat, I tell them how it is (as per my OP) and they quit.

These are GAME DESIGN ISSUES that need looking at, because these are the issues that kill playerbases, and queues are already absolute trash.

For anyone saying "I'm just using this and blah blah" just wait. Come back when you've run into a 4 stack using Psijic skill lines in a pre-50 BG and tell me how it went for you when you couldn't even drop them below 75%.

If you're doing well with "just reward bag gear" then you just haven't been playing it long enough to get matched up.

The problem is that you are spreading misinformation instead of helping them. That's the problem.

yodased

I've already proven with evidence that you can get all skill lines, mages guild, psjic, fighters guild and passives by level 14.

You do not need to purchase anything, ever. You can get gear made for you so easily its not even an issue.

Will you run into rerollers that love stomping newbies? Of course you will, but then you will run into farm groups and ball groups and suspect players in big boy pvp as well.

This chicken little sky is falling is getting a little old

SeaGtGruff

drkfrontiers wrote: »

PvP can be fun if you go into it with the belief that you will die. Alot.

A good measure of improvement is not NOT dying. Its how long it takes to die.

Measure that and you off to the races, and ignore xv1 deaths (they don't count.)

As an avowed PvEr who prefers to solo, I've been having a lot of fun during this event. Each time the Cyrodiil and Imperial City events are held, I've enjoyed them more and more, from starting out with an attitude of "I'm going to do as little as possible to get my tickets and then leave; I don't care about the reward boxes, AP, or TV" to "I'm going to get my tickets and then keep on playing for as many hours as I can, and get all the reward boxes, AP, and TV I can."

Last night in the campaign I've been playing (7-day Standard), DC had a hard time because AD and EP controlled the map and were out in huge force. We managed to take many of the keeps, resources, and outposts around Lake Rumare, but sometimes AD or EP would just take them back again behind us.

We were going after Roebeck (IIRC) when this huge flood of EP came out and swarmed us. I died many times, including once or twice while trying to rez a fellow player, but I just rezzed back at the nearest keep and went back for more. It was crazy-- and crazy fun-- but the biggest thing I got out of it was that PvP is extremely hard if you're playing with a regular mouse and a keyboard as I do, especially if you don't have any decent AoE or long-range attacks.

hmsdragonfly

RefLiberty wrote: »

PvP needs to be canceled and resources put in good use instead of wasting in that group of 5% players being not useful to game or anyone.
ESO is sold based on PVE legacy anyway.
As someone said, they need to be contained in that map of theirs, with no influence on game whatsoever.
Game has been broken so many times by trying to balance that game "mod", su much waste.
So much money being wasted on pvp, so much nerfs/buffs, so much work hours.
If there is no pvp Eso, could have funded a space force program or at least ESO 2 engine.
So much resources.
Make PvP secondary feature, Make ESO great again.

Imagine running vet dungeons as endgame.

Jdray

Its funny how the most pointless, baseless, click bait troll flavored headlines always make it to like 6 pages deep. like was this necessary?

xaraan

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

The_Lex wrote: »

We get about a dozen PvE events per year, and we’re lucky if we get maybe 2 PvP events (if they’re not cancelled). Yet when a rare PvP event kicks off, it takes like one day before the PvEers lose their minds on the forums.

Unfortunately this is the truth. PVP players don't complain in near magnitude about PVE events as PVE players complain about PVP events.

1. I don't know that that is true. Maybe on forums we see it less, but I hear pvpers constantly whining about anything that isn't exactly the type of pvp they want (zerg, no zerg, no BGs, BGs, no groups in BGs, no PvE in Pvp like IC,, no artifacts, etc.) in discord or comms.

I also see them lump anything that isn't fighting another player into pve. Why can't I earn money? You can do writs - that's PVE! We need a way to get flowers for pots! - You can farm. That's PVE! No, all these other activities are not things PvErs love do (some do, sure, some love only doing these things). But to a lot of end game PvErs, these are tasks to support the part of the game you enjoy doing, just like if you PvP and have to do them.

But as someone that does both pvp and pve, pvp rewards have been pretty heavily weighted b/c of all the complaints from pvpers over the years. Farming stones for TV and getting flower sacks is better than farming in many cases if you know what you are doing in IC. Getting the arena proofs and buying costumes or upcoming motif pages that can be sold that are never offered on crown store like almost every motif available in pvp which keeps pricing even higher (same with BG pages, though they can't be sold, still only way to earn them). - Try putting some new motif/style page behind an end game trial like the Cloudrest motif but not allow it to be sold on traders or buy in crown store and see how much crying you hear from pvpers. Also: best source of earning transmute stones by far. Every PvPer that I know that pvp's a decent amount is drowning in these stones.

2. The real issue:
I think the big difference is that if you are a pvper doing pve, it's pretty easy to target your needed quest event, do it and get back to what you want to do.

Doesn't work that way for pvp. Sure, if you happen to have your alliance owning everything you need it can work out. But if not, riding across the map just to get to your destination can result in getting jumped (which I'm sure is more frustrating to players that don't know pvp well) and having to start the horse simulator over again. Same for town quests, if your alliance owns a town and you can port, bam, you can get it done (usually, though sometimes still gankers). But if not, then you have no chance of getting a town quest done if you aren't decent dealing with pvp (guards and other players).

So for those pvpers seeing pve'rs whining about the event. Think of the last time you wanted to do a pve event, get it done just to get your tickets (not even to farm it over and over, just one quest) and get back to what you liked doing in the game. But then pretend that pve'rs had a way to troll you to make you fail over and over and over again to just do that one simple quest.

I play pvp plenty and even I can see why they have issue with the events. Last year I spent a chunk of my time fighting off pvpers for towns to try and help out the pve'rs and what I saw showed me it wasn't just about "this guy knows how to pvp and this guy doesn't." There were small groups of pvpers jumping players one or two at a time. Then if they ran into someone that knew how to fight, they ran away if they could. Granted, if we talk IC then you can expect to get jumped b/c most pvpers have no problem ganging up on someone anyone, but throw stones in the mix and that line moves even more.

Honestly, I think the best thing zos could do about this, is when they add a new campaign for the event, they have a special rule set: In the one campaign, don't allow anything to flip. PvP still exists, but no flag flipping. If you want to do quests that deal with flipping keeps and such, there are campaigns for those. (or you could allow something like a rss to flip but then it starts autoflipping back as soon as you leave it, so if you don't stay at it, it will go back to the original alliance). But for pver's that want to do town quests, they can go into this campaign. Then you don't have to worry about everything being night capped by one alliance and shutting down the campaign for any real use by another faction that doesn't have a pvp zerg. I'd still leave pvp open, if you wanted to gank or go to other alliances towns and what have you, then you'd have to deal with that danger, but it would solve part of the problem while still leaving the event as a pvp event. (You could even do other interesting things with this, like leaving every keep in a state that looked like it had been through war - i.e. half torn down like they'd been sieged and not repaired).

But I do think that if a pver had a chance to port in, pick up and do a quest and if they get ganked, have the option to respawn at the town and try it again more carefully or try to fight again. Or just be careful and sneaky the whole time getting it done. Then you'd see a lot less frustration. They'd still be in pvp danger. Gankers would still be able to do their thing, and you could also still take little pvp teams in to harrass a town if you wanted. But with them having respawn right there, there would be constant danger of pvers piling up in numbers and maybe offer a bit of a challenge to a good pvp group.

oxygen_thief

BackStabeth wrote: »

I'm a PVE player, I am not involving myself in the current even in any way. I don't want to PvP, I don't want to support PvP, I don't want to engage in PvP specially when I feel I am being forced or manipulated to. I am so over PvP, so tired of all the crap that comes along with it. I have evolved over time from being strictly a PvP player in MMOs, to not wanting to involve myself in PvP play at all.

I will avoid PvP to the point I will discontinue playing this game if I am required to play PvP. So long as I can ignore it, and it's not a requirement, I will continue to support the game, and involve myself.

I get it, I totally understand, I have been involved in many, many MMOs where PvP dies, it always does. When you are addicted to it, when you feel you need that fix, you will do just about anything in game to get it, including trying to convince others how fun it is. It's no longer fun for me personally, so nothing, not anything will ever convince me to do any PvP ever again. It's just simply how I am now. If you really want PvP content, then you will have to accept that most people, the vast overwhelming majority are not going to want to play with you in that regard. You will never convince those people, and they will never want to play with you.

Vanos444

RefLiberty wrote: »

PvP needs to be canceled and resources put in good use instead of wasting in that group of 5% players being not useful to game or anyone.
ESO is sold based on PVE legacy anyway.
As someone said, they need to be contained in that map of theirs, with no influence on game whatsoever.
Game has been broken so many times by trying to balance that game "mod", su much waste.
So much money being wasted on pvp, so much nerfs/buffs, so much work hours.
If there is no pvp Eso, could have funded a space force program or at least ESO 2 engine.
So much resources.
Make PvP secondary feature, Make ESO great again.

Lol! PvP is the bread and butter of ESO. Without it ESO is as good as dead....

CASP3R421

imagine not taking advantage of the under 50 pvp servers to learn on

Coppes

CASP3R421 wrote: »

imagine not taking advantage of the under 50 pvp servers to learn on

Assuming that lowbie Cyrodiil and BGs aren’t filled with people constant rerolling to stomp on noobs.

Stebarnz

barney2525 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

PVP is the ONLY end game unless you like a modern simon says, where you press certain buttons at a scripted time.

Accept this truth about the game or move along.

If you cant pvp or don't have the patience to learn that's fine but don't be a whiny b***h about it.

I love it when people think their opinions are absolute fact.

Especially because No one's opinion is absolute fact.

And then they draw their line in the sand and demand that everyone adhere to it. It's just so cute.

IMHO

Thanks

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

PVP is the ONLY end game unless you like a modern simon says, where you press certain buttons at a scripted time.

Accept this truth about the game or move along.

If you cant pvp or don't have the patience to learn that's fine but don't be a whiny b***h about it.

Nope. I do both PVP and PVE and I find the real endgame to be PVE. VetTrials (and some vet DLC dungeons) are way more difficult and put hell lot more stress than any pvp confrontation does. Plus, what you say about "scripted time" makes no sense. Mechanics may be scripted but situations are random. One mistake in a difficult pve content is instant wipe, one mistake in PVP may mean actually nothing. (many mistakes will kill you ofc)

Actually they are two different things and being excellent in one doesnt make you excellent in both. Different builds, different gameplay, different goals.

You know what, I agree, I like pve and pvp and do both but....

All pve content is scripted to some point so there are only ever so many different outcomes and to say just 1 little mistake is a full wipe then that's a bad mechanic tbh.

What I meant by saying pvp is the only endgame is that it throws the most varied scenario's at you. There is no more challenging content than running around cyro solo and being successful. ALL pve content you can get carried except VMA.

MEBengalsFan2001

ESO has one of the better PVP systems for a MMO. Not perfect but better. Other MMO games tend to throw 1, 2, 4, or 8 players at a time against each other or the full map as you quest is PVP making it harder at lower level when a higher level players decides to jump you when you are just questing.

ESO PVP is so much better given how it is setup. PVP maybe dead for certain areas but overall the system ESO has IMO is one of the better ones I have seen in a RPGMMO.

I personally don't like how skill points are put behind the PVP system. I don't like how that is but it is what it is and as a PVE player if I want to max out my skill points and get all as achievements I will need to step foot into PVP one day and do whatever I can. I will eventually do that once I finish up doing all I can in PVE and I'm still far from completing all of PVE content. Many maps await me.

The only thing that I dislike about PVP is one shots, there should never be any ability that one shots a player. If there are, it needs to be adjusted in PVP or removed from being able to be used in PVP.

The other thing I have to state is that ESO could improve PVP and PVE by making PVE gear not usable in PVP and making PVP specific gear that can only be used in PVP.

I noticed some of the gear falls into those categories but you can use PVE and PVP gear in either zone and that to me is where ZoS can improve ESO as a game for PVP and PVE.

svartorn

I tried to get some Midyear Mayhem in.

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You have been disconnected.

*fires up another game*