Aegis Caller Dummy Tests

MudcrabAttack

Update 5.3.2



The proc damage is down 40% for me, about 6% of the total.

*Edit* I realize now I forgot to try it with perfect Relequen and slotted the normal version by mistake, no deception intended, just compare the proc DPS from the combat metrics list

Update 5.3.0



It's usually around 10%-ish of the single target for me. But with only 2 stat buffs and a regen buff, which I also like, it can't be much more than 15%-ish of my damage. I was about to do a writeup of how much it dragged damage down, but forgot to put any points into stamina or slot a mundus stone. After finally finishing a semi-proper test it seems pretty darn strong. I really like having alternatives.

Here's where I think it really shines, with AOE damage:



So maybe it's like a medium ground for people who don't want to completely drop their AOE, but still want some decent single target damage. It works really well on front bar.

MashmalloMan

I'm really pumped about this. We need more summon based sets that can augment some thematical sense to the classes instead of more statistical advantages.

Stam Necro can use Maw of the Infernal, Defiler and Scavenging Demise to create a semi undead horde. I think thats super cool..

Mag Sorc can use Maw of the Infernal or Shadowrend , Mad Tinkerer and Some lightning based set to fit their class theme.

Mag DK's and Elf Bane + Grothdar/Zaan Synergize super well.

I haven't gotten online, but if this does physical bleed damage, does this fit a Stam Sorc kinda style? What class you think best pairs with it thematically?

MashmalloMan

It's only doing 1.5% less overall single target dps than Relequen and requires 0 ramp up to get there which tells me this will be a better set than Relequen in real combat scenarios since no actual fight would allow you 3 + minutes of 90+% 20 stacks of relequen..

Maybe you should pair this with Tooth of Lokkestiiz and you may have more single target dps than these 2 sets combined, more sustain, more aoe and no worry about ramping up light attacks on 1 target.

skinnycheeks

MudcrabAttack wrote: »

It's usually around 10%-ish of the single target for me. But with only 2 stat buffs and a regen buff, which I also like, it can't be much more than 15%-ish of my damage. I was about to do a writeup of how much it dragged damage down, but forgot to put any points into stamina or slot a mundus stone. After finally finishing a semi-proper test it seems pretty darn strong. I really like having alternatives.

Here's where I think it really shines, with AOE damage:



So maybe it's like a medium ground for people who don't want to completely drop their AOE, but still want some decent single target damage. It works really well on front bar.

Wow, it performed better than i thought it would. Thanks for testing. Can I ask how your rending damage is so high? Is there an addon or something that is combining the direct dmg and the dot portion to equal that 5k?

Runefang

And here we go again with Stamina getting better sets than Magicka.

SirMewser

MashmalloMan wrote: »

I'm really pumped about this. We need more summon based sets that can augment some thematical sense to the classes instead of more statistical advantages.

Stam Necro can use Maw of the Infernal, Defiler and Scavenging Demise to create a semi undead horde. I think thats super cool..

Mag Sorc can use Maw of the Infernal or Shadowrend , Mad Tinkerer and Some lightning based set to fit their class theme.

Mag DK's and Elf Bane + Grothdar/Zaan Synergize super well.

I haven't gotten online, but if this does physical bleed damage, does this fit a Stam Sorc kinda style? What class you think best pairs with it thematically?

I gave you an insightful, but I'd like to say that I find it weird to summon a Daedroth and Hunger... Well... Daedra. On a Necromancer.

At least Ice Wraiths (Icy Conjurer set) and Aegis (Aegis Caller set) are both spirits, Nordic and Yokudan respectively.

Having said that, an Aegis is the closest thing we've got to an air atronach for a StamSorc. Floating blades and spinning emphasizes the "air" theme of Sorc after all.

I think it fits Necromancer for lore sake better...

Realistically it belongs to no one.

MudcrabAttack

@MashmalloMan , I was thinking it might fit a sorcerer theme as well. And perhaps it synergizes with a Necromancer since they get a DOT buff. The effect looks really cool, but one thing that could get slightly irritating is all the sparking stuff floating around, which makes the visibility of the ground somewhat low. I can imagine adding in Hurricane would make the screen extremely busy.




The Aegis appears over the top of one mob and then camps out in one spot after the mob moves away. The AOE might have a 6 meter reach since it seems to hit the same distance as whirling blades.



I'm running low on time to do much more target dummy testing for the night, but it came close to tying DPS with Relequen against a 3 million dummy, so yeah there's almost zero time dependency. I'm curious enough to try pairing it with Lokke too.

skinnycheeks wrote: »

MudcrabAttack wrote: »

It's usually around 10%-ish of the single target for me. But with only 2 stat buffs and a regen buff, which I also like, it can't be much more than 15%-ish of my damage. I was about to do a writeup of how much it dragged damage down, but forgot to put any points into stamina or slot a mundus stone. After finally finishing a semi-proper test it seems pretty darn strong. I really like having alternatives.

Here's where I think it really shines, with AOE damage:



So maybe it's like a medium ground for people who don't want to completely drop their AOE, but still want some decent single target damage. It works really well on front bar.

Wow, it performed better than i thought it would. Thanks for testing. Can I ask how your rending damage is so high? Is there an addon or something that is combining the direct dmg and the dot portion to equal that 5k?

It surprised me, too. That was a double dual wield build I've been tinkering with, and it seems a lot easier to use now with the extra stamina regen. There are master dual wield daggers on the back bar which buff rending slashes. Here's the encounter log for that test, and the build setup is shown under the summary:

https://www.esologs.com/reports/36kdfcB1RpnYhyV9

skinnycheeks

MudcrabAttack wrote: »

It surprised me, too. That was a double dual wield build I've been tinkering with, and it seems a lot easier to use now with the extra stamina regen. There are master dual wield daggers on the back bar which buff rending slashes. Here's the encounter log for that test, and the build setup is shown under the summary:

https://www.esologs.com/reports/36kdfcB1RpnYhyV9

Oh wow. Yeah, makes sense with the master daggers. Thanks for the log. Pretty cool to see double dual wield doing so well.

MashmalloMan

Got a chance to try it, there is almost 0 downtime once it despawns, only the 2.5s wind up. With light attack weaving, a crit melee hit is almost guaranteed, especially with around 50-60% crit that I had. It's a good front bar option, especially if you're doing bow back bar. I will 100% run this set in pve just because it fits the stam sorc theme very, very well with a very minor cost to single target damage in prolonged fights.

Pros:

• Does not require 20s light attack weaving build up with chance to fall off from reviving or attacking new targets
• Stronger aoe, weaker single target vs relequen's proc
• Good front bar option
• Overall DPS is very close to Relquen, however sustain goes up due to 3pc trait for 129 stamina regen. Depending on your build, you could trade the 129 stamina regen in your build somewhere if the sustain was too high, closing that DPS gap.
• THEME, very cool looking, my stam sorc approves

Cons:

• Effects can be intrusive, the Ageis is pretty large, although everything is very well animated and nice to look at
• Does not stick to target like Relequen, when it spawns, it stands in place so mobs can walk out of the field
• Stat bonuses aren't super impressive, but if you see my previous Pro about trading regen, it could be perfect for you depending on your build

For example, I like using stormfist on my stam sorc orc, once again because of the theme. The 1 piece is 129 stam regen, with purple or gold food giving stam/hp/stam regen, I get a little TOO much sustain. With this set and Stormfist, I may be able to drop these foods and go for blue bi stat food for higher stamina and health since sustain is covered. Just a thought.

Although I really enjoy sets with strong themes that we can use with specific classes, they should not replace much needed class identity.. it's kind of sad to see exactly what every stam sorc and their mother has been requesting (physical damage, air atro ult) is now semi-present in a set. The fact that it uses spinning blades like the Boss from Hel Ra Citadel which is what the community used as an example for a stam sorc ult is also disappointing.

A similar thing happened when they butchered Arctic Blast out of it's 10s aoe frost field in to a ranged stun that no one asked for. 1 DLC update later, a new set released called Frozen Watcher that gave the player an ice aoe field when blocking.

SirMewser wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

I'm really pumped about this. We need more summon based sets that can augment some thematical sense to the classes instead of more statistical advantages.

Stam Necro can use Maw of the Infernal, Defiler and Scavenging Demise to create a semi undead horde. I think thats super cool..

Mag Sorc can use Maw of the Infernal or Shadowrend , Mad Tinkerer and Some lightning based set to fit their class theme.

Mag DK's and Elf Bane + Grothdar/Zaan Synergize super well.

I haven't gotten online, but if this does physical bleed damage, does this fit a Stam Sorc kinda style? What class you think best pairs with it thematically?

I gave you an insightful, but I'd like to say that I find it weird to summon a Daedroth and Hunger... Well... Daedra. On a Necromancer.

At least Ice Wraiths (Icy Conjurer set) and Aegis (Aegis Caller set) are both spirits, Nordic and Yokudan respectively.

Having said that, an Aegis is the closest thing we've got to an air atronach for a StamSorc. Floating blades and spinning emphasizes the "air" theme of Sorc after all.

I think it fits Necromancer for lore sake better...

Realistically it belongs to no one.

No I agree, those sets I mentioned don't perfectly fit a Necro, but when you play with them, you feel like how a necro should play, constantly summoning. In reality, the lore of those sets aren't "undead" but they're the closest thing for the mean time. My hope is that we get more sets that fit proper themes for the classes. Given that this year is the year of the undead, I'd hope that we may get more for Necro, Vampires and Werewolves over time. This set is just an awesome surprise for the stam sorc theme I didn't expect to see and I'll gladly take it!

Just look at 1 of the newest monster sets, it is 100% Mag Necro themed. If you have seen this in game, it looks REALLY cool. In my opinion, this set effect is how Grave Grasp should of looked.

Kjalnar’s Nightmare – Monster Mask

• 1 – Adds 129 Spell Damage
• 2 – Dealing damage with a Light Attack puts a Bone stack on your enemy for 5 seconds. You can only apply 1 stack every 1 second.At 5 stacks, an undodgeable skeletal hand attacks your enemy after 1 seconds, knocking them into the air and stunning them for 3 seconds, or dealing 14500 Magic Damage if they cannot be stunned. An enemy that has reached 5 stacks cannot gain Bone stacks for 3 seconds.

MellowMagic

I really hope this set as it currently is makes it to live.

MashmalloMan

MudcrabAttack wrote: »

It surprised me, too. That was a double dual wield build I've been tinkering with, and it seems a lot easier to use now with the extra stamina regen. There are master dual wield daggers on the back bar which buff rending slashes. Here's the encounter log for that test, and the build setup is shown under the summary:

https://www.esologs.com/reports/36kdfcB1RpnYhyV9

Don't forget, Deadly Cloak isn't a crazy high cost to use anymore. Definitely helped with your sustain, not just the 129 regen from the set.

MashmalloMan

@MudcrabAttack I also pegged it as 6m, maybe even 7m, but it's definitely bigger than Blade Cloaks 5m radius. It's pretty large and a lot of fun to use, especially on trash. The set does more aoe dmg then hurricane. I can dig that.

From my tests, keep in mind my setup is probably dated, I haven't done very much pve lately.

• Relequen + Aegis Caller was about 75k dps on average.
• Tooth of Lokkestiiz + Aegis Caller was about 72k dps on average. This was with 66-70% uptime so I could of done a little better, especially in a real fight where I could get more than 1 synergy for 100% uptime. I think this makes it more viable than Relequen + Aegis for me and I'll be going with this setup if it makes it to live.

I like relequen because it also fits the stam sorc theme with the mini tornado, but you can't even see it with Aegis so it doesn't really matter I suppose. The idea of not having to stack light attacks 20 times on 1 target sounds like a damn blessing at this point. It's about time I felt comfortable replacing that set.

And0ssus

Personally i think its too strong.
I tested it on stamcro (yes i know stamcro hast a 15% Buff to AoE) and it does around 10-11k DPS in the Iron Dummy (lokke and kra'gh).
Relequen on the other hand does around 12k DPS with the same Sets.
Yes Aegis works Like a ground AoE but doesn't has the ramp up time like Rele and you can Control the procc If you want to.
Most Fights won't last 4 min +, especially in older Trials (mol, Hof). As shorter the Fight becomes as less dmg Rele will do.
I know a lot of people want another choice for Rele, but should an AoE Set Hit almost as hard as a single Target Set on a single Boss?
Idk ... we already got this with skills 😅
I don't say they should Nerv it into the ground, but with 2k less DPS IT would be still a good Set if u need additional AoE but ST wise Rele would be better.

Faulgor

MashmalloMan wrote: »

I'm really pumped about this. We need more summon based sets that can augment some thematical sense to the classes instead of more statistical advantages.

Stam Necro can use Maw of the Infernal, Defiler and Scavenging Demise to create a semi undead horde. I think thats super cool..

Mag Sorc can use Maw of the Infernal or Shadowrend , Mad Tinkerer and Some lightning based set to fit their class theme.

Mag DK's and Elf Bane + Grothdar/Zaan Synergize super well.

I haven't gotten online, but if this does physical bleed damage, does this fit a Stam Sorc kinda style? What class you think best pairs with it thematically?

My Redguard Stamplar is really hyped for this. Overall I think it's more of a Redguard than class theme, but we need those too!

Too bad they are probably going to nerf it before live.

Skjaldbjorn

Liko posted a ~95k parse wearing this and Rele. With the broken, overtuned 15% DoT damage passive, Necros will just pull even farther ahead once again. Lovely.

MyPrist

I like this stamina set, but do not like animation. Too big monster. If it would be a little spiner like from maelstrom, hof and etc it would be better for me. But set is really good.

MyPrist

MyPrist wrote: »

I like this stamina set, but do not like animation. Too big monster. If it would be a little spiner like from maelstrom, hof and etc it would be better for me. But set is really good.

Or if this monster would be 3 times smaller

MudcrabAttack

PTS update 2



*Edit* I realize now I forgot to try it with perfect Relequen and slotted the normal version by mistake, just comparing proc DPS from the list...

The Aegis caller proc damage is down 40% for me, about 6% of the total

Nemesis7884

why do they always show it and then immediatly nerf it before release (and not before already)... just bums everyone out and shows you how bad they still are at communicating

Nemesis7884

MyPrist wrote: »

MyPrist wrote: »

I like this stamina set, but do not like animation. Too big monster. If it would be a little spiner like from maelstrom, hof and etc it would be better for me. But set is really good.

Or if this monster would be 3 times smaller

i think it would look stupid if it was smaller... just make it more transparent in a group setting...

YandereGirlfriend

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

why do they always show it and then immediatly nerf it before release (and not before already)... just bums everyone out and shows you how bad they still are at communicating

RIP Dro'Zakar's Claws 2019 PTS1-2019 PTS2.

universal_wrath

Since every9ne is talking about aegis caller and relequen dmg, anypne trued murkludin set? It is 100% uptime and deal about 5k dmg, more than rele and aegis and it 9nly require light attack to proc. Just asking as it might be a good alternative

Septimus_Magna

universal_wrath wrote: »

Since every9ne is talking about aegis caller and relequen dmg, anypne trued murkludin set? It is 100% uptime and deal about 5k dmg, more than rele and aegis and it 9nly require light attack to proc. Just asking as it might be a good alternative

Did you do parses with Morkuldin? Each attack deals 5k dmg but I dont think it attacks every second so dps would be lower.

satanio

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Since every9ne is talking about aegis caller and relequen dmg, anypne trued murkludin set? It is 100% uptime and deal about 5k dmg, more than rele and aegis and it 9nly require light attack to proc. Just asking as it might be a good alternative

Did you do parses with Morkuldin? Each attack deals 5k dmg but I dont think it attacks every second so dps would be lower.

morkuldin was weak when I tested it 2 patches ago. It was like 2000 dps, not better than any other mediocre medium set.

Joxer61

Would it be lame on a Stamplar? Guess not....big ol swirling knight of death and many arms...lol...yea, it fits.

MashmalloMan

satanio wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Since every9ne is talking about aegis caller and relequen dmg, anypne trued murkludin set? It is 100% uptime and deal about 5k dmg, more than rele and aegis and it 9nly require light attack to proc. Just asking as it might be a good alternative

Did you do parses with Morkuldin? Each attack deals 5k dmg but I dont think it attacks every second so dps would be lower.

morkuldin was weak when I tested it 2 patches ago. It was like 2000 dps, not better than any other mediocre medium set.

It was buffed this pts, that's why they're bringing it up. No proc chance anymore, just any light attack. Some bugs fixed.

It looks okay, I doubt it hits once/second, nice buff, but it's still single target.. Aegis Caller sounds stronger. Maybe I'll test it sometime.

Would love using it on a stamplar just because of the visuals though.

satanio

MashmalloMan wrote: »

satanio wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Since every9ne is talking about aegis caller and relequen dmg, anypne trued murkludin set? It is 100% uptime and deal about 5k dmg, more than rele and aegis and it 9nly require light attack to proc. Just asking as it might be a good alternative

Did you do parses with Morkuldin? Each attack deals 5k dmg but I dont think it attacks every second so dps would be lower.

morkuldin was weak when I tested it 2 patches ago. It was like 2000 dps, not better than any other mediocre medium set.

It was buffed this pts, that's why they're bringing it up. No proc chance anymore, just any light attack. Some bugs fixed.

It looks okay, I doubt it hits once/second, nice buff, but it's still single target.. Aegis Caller sounds stronger. Maybe I'll test it sometime.

Would love using it on a stamplar just because of the visuals though.

Morkuldin attack speed:


Morkuldin + Aegis Caller Iron Atro parse:
Aegis Caller 4666 dps
Morkuldin: (consists of his LA and Cleave) 2888 + 838 = 3726 dps
Parse available on: https://www.esologs.com/reports/M6Qx34NY1jGkVr7g/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

Onefrkncrzypope

satanio wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

satanio wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Since every9ne is talking about aegis caller and relequen dmg, anypne trued murkludin set? It is 100% uptime and deal about 5k dmg, more than rele and aegis and it 9nly require light attack to proc. Just asking as it might be a good alternative

Did you do parses with Morkuldin? Each attack deals 5k dmg but I dont think it attacks every second so dps would be lower.

morkuldin was weak when I tested it 2 patches ago. It was like 2000 dps, not better than any other mediocre medium set.

It was buffed this pts, that's why they're bringing it up. No proc chance anymore, just any light attack. Some bugs fixed.

It looks okay, I doubt it hits once/second, nice buff, but it's still single target.. Aegis Caller sounds stronger. Maybe I'll test it sometime.

Would love using it on a stamplar just because of the visuals though.

Morkuldin attack speed:


Morkuldin + Aegis Caller Iron Atro parse:
Aegis Caller 4666 dps
Morkuldin: (consists of his LA and Cleave) 2888 + 838 = 3726 dps
Parse available on: https://www.esologs.com/reports/M6Qx34NY1jGkVr7g/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

Mork is only 1k behind aegis.. lol welp reli is still bis I guess

satanio

One thing that I have noticed is that Aegis Caller pet is affected by bloodthirsty Other pets weren't - this needs some more testing.

Edziu

Runefang wrote: »

And here we go again with Stamina getting better sets than Magicka.

and then only wait for overall nerf to stamina instead to these sets which for real are addiing to much dps itself doing big gap from any other sets and so making even less viable sets for build variety

something like relequen should never come out with such power
people even dont care something so op like releq is more like for dummy cheese and just few bosses....and these dummy parses are enough to show stamina in overall is op not this set.....so lets call nerf for stamina because of hard defenders of cheese sets

universal_wrath

Edziu wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

And here we go again with Stamina getting better sets than Magicka.

and then only wait for overall nerf to stamina instead to these sets which for real are addiing to much dps itself doing big gap from any other sets and so making even less viable sets for build variety

something like relequen should never come out with such power
people even dont care something so op like releq is more like for dummy cheese and just few bosses....and these dummy parses are enough to show stamina in overall is op not this set.....so lets call nerf for stamina because of hard defenders of cheese sets

Does deadly buff aegis? Deadric prey? Does it count as a pet or not?