Why is PVP so disregarded/irrelevant to updates?

mb10

Why is there such a small focus on PVP with these updates?
There’s close to 0 attention being paid to it and this year all we get is a siege weapon...?

What happened to the new daedric items coming into the game like Volendrung?

The new content all looks great I’m all for it and appreciate the efforts, but damn, PVP has been out in the cold for so long now it kinda sucks.

jadarock

"They are killing it"

HappyLittleTree

New crafted cyrodiil sets, special mystic items which are useful in and outside of combat, new siege weapon, (hopefully) performance upgrade

It's not that bad

Seraphayel

Cyrodiil is infinite amount of content, that's why. When ESO launched there was nothing for PvE endgame, only Cyrodiil. The problem is, Cyrodiil itself hasn't that much improved over the years.

Ravena

Because it doesn't appeal to casual gamers, which I assume are their biggest consumers.

Joy_Division

Probably because the PvP community would just scream at ZOS to nerf what they do give them so why bother?

Ladislao

PVPers do not pay money but complain the most. So why bother?

Maxx7410

Ladislao wrote: »

PVPers do not pay money but complain the most. So why bother?

if you wont make anything new nobody will buy you anything?

kargen27

mb10 wrote: »

Why is there such a small focus on PVP with these updates?
There’s close to 0 attention being paid to it and this year all we get is a siege weapon...?

What happened to the new daedric items coming into the game like Volendrung?

The new content all looks great I’m all for it and appreciate the efforts, but damn, PVP has been out in the cold for so long now it kinda sucks.

Volendrung didn't go over so well and new content would thin out the PvP population across all the content. Players complain now about the lack of numbers.

Quick question though. What are you looking for that they should add?

Edziu

Ladislao wrote: »

PVPers do not pay money but complain the most. So why bother?

they dont pay maybe because they dont have for what pay here?

only things worth or forced to pay for pvp players are for some dlc or eso+ if they want an skilline or set locked behind it as BoP, if not those reasons then most of pvp only players dont have any reason to pay more to ZOS for nothing new for years with insane lags, awful performance for years

Royaji

Seraphayel wrote: »

The problem is, Cyrodiil itself hasn't that much improved over the years.

It will probably be more correct to say that it actively degraded.

Aptonoth

Ladislao wrote: »

PVPers do not pay money but complain the most. So why bother?

Pvp in mmo’s is always lol and impossible to balance. I would rather play a pvp centric game like an FPS or Mordhau than have diluted bad mmo pvp.

akdave0

Ravena wrote: »

Because it doesn't appeal to casual gamers, which I assume are their biggest consumers.

of 13 million, 3 million across all platforms are dedicated PVP players, a vocal minority. Competitive MMORPG are words that don't go together. Play a FPS if you need ego-stroking epeen flexing.

Alomar

If you care about pvp, your several years late to the realization that ZOS does not develop this game for your playstyle anymore. They tried to balance, bug fix, reduce/fix lag, etc. and failed in every category years ago.

Cirantille

I mean when you go into a PvE zone check people's ranks

Best you can see is legionary or something

And I assume they get those by events like MYM

Unfortunately we are not a big portion of the game

Savos_Saren

Joy_Division wrote: »

Probably because the PvP community would just scream at ZOS to nerf what they do give them so why bother?

@Joy_Division I can't hit the "Agree" button enough.

The OP completely disregarded the craftable Cyrodiil sets and performance improvements.

jadarock

Ladislao wrote: »

PVPers do not pay money

This is a complete fallacy show me the numbers...
Just because rpers may spend more doesnt mean pvpers dont spend money. My guildes pvp and spend real money on mundus mounts etc ...
People need to stop with this narrative pvpers *** but dont spend its flat out not true

Royaji

jadarock wrote: »

Ladislao wrote: »

PVPers do not pay money

This is a complete fallacy show me the numbers...
Just because rpers may spend more doesnt mean pvpers dont spend money. My guildes pvp and spend real money on mundus mounts etc ...
People need to stop with this narrative pvpers *** but dont spend its flat out not true

You've answered your own question.

jadarock

Royaji wrote: »

jadarock wrote: »

Ladislao wrote: »

PVPers do not pay money

This is a complete fallacy show me the numbers...
Just because rpers may spend more doesnt mean pvpers dont spend money. My guildes pvp and spend real money on mundus mounts etc ...
People need to stop with this narrative pvpers *** but dont spend its flat out not true

You've answered your own question.

Saying they dont spend is wrong. Period.

B0SSzombie

I wonder what the ratio of "Players that PVP vs Players that never PVP" is.

Those would be fascinating to see. And might explain the neglect every aspect of PVP besides Battlegrounds receives.

idk

Joy_Division wrote: »

Probably because the PvP community would just scream at ZOS to nerf what they do give them so why bother?

True that.

Also, PvP is and has always been a secondary part of the game. It is why no one has to pay a dime to participate in any PvP after they purchase the game. IC was given to everyone who chose to accept it so all if it is available without buying a DLC or paying for ESO+.

KillsAllElves

kargen27 wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Why is there such a small focus on PVP with these updates?
There’s close to 0 attention being paid to it and this year all we get is a siege weapon...?

What happened to the new daedric items coming into the game like Volendrung?

The new content all looks great I’m all for it and appreciate the efforts, but damn, PVP has been out in the cold for so long now it kinda sucks.

Volendrung didn't go over so well and new content would thin out the PvP population across all the content. Players complain now about the lack of numbers.

Quick question though. What are you looking for that they should add?

Adding new content to cyrodiil would not thin out the pvp population, Poor performance and pre existing nefs already did that long before 2020 came!

A part of the dwindling population is due to lack of content to a stale part of the game. Btw pve populations have been going down aswell.

Dusk_Coven

Engine update to try to stabilize performance doesn't count? People yell that fixing infrastructure should come first but really they want content?

mb10

kargen27 wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Why is there such a small focus on PVP with these updates?
There’s close to 0 attention being paid to it and this year all we get is a siege weapon...?

What happened to the new daedric items coming into the game like Volendrung?

The new content all looks great I’m all for it and appreciate the efforts, but damn, PVP has been out in the cold for so long now it kinda sucks.

Volendrung didn't go over so well and new content would thin out the PvP population across all the content. Players complain now about the lack of numbers.

Quick question though. What are you looking for that they should add?

I was thinking different ways of sieging, different objectives, perhaps maybe even making the map small to avoid all the running around?
Adding more to the map because with all that running it’s just trees and hills mostly anyway.

Expanding on the PVP skill lines, rewarding/promoting group play in that sense.

The opportunities are endless with Cyrodiil imo

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Haven't you heard about PVP...

DaveMoeDee

Why are people asking this again? This is what ESO is.

Shantu

Follow the money...or lack of it, thereof.

Casterial

HappyLittleTree wrote: »

New crafted cyrodiil sets, special mystic items which are useful in and outside of combat, new siege weapon, (hopefully) performance upgrade

It's not that bad

Siege weapon - no one cares, hammer sucked to
Mythic Gear - Saw this stuff kill WoW pvp to where it got disabled in pvp
Crafted Set - Who cares? Oh boy! A set craftable in Cyrodiil!

Seraphayel wrote: »

Cyrodiil is infinite amount of content, that's why. When ESO launched there was nothing for PvE endgame, only Cyrodiil. The problem is, Cyrodiil itself hasn't that much improved over the years.

I agree, at one point they made that decision to abandon Cyrodiil which aside from the lag is the reason its dying, it has nothing new over the last x years this games been up.

They need to switch gears and focus at least one update or half a year to new pvp content or this game will be forgotten with its lowsy pve.

JJBoomer

Because this isn't a PvP focused game and never has been.

ayu_fever

i dont mind pvp in eso.
i dont go there to fight though.
i go there with a few real life friends i have and i do enjoy playing with them.
i go in there and do what i do best: be the healer.

i give heals while they get kills!
idgaf about the actual pvp itself.
i get wrecked sometimes but i do not care.
i just respawn and try again.
it really isnt a serious part of the game.
its just “a neat extra.”

Mr_Walker

1. The population is almost certainly < 500 in prime time, so you're almost irrelevant. Off peak you can often find more people chasing the alik'r dolmens than in your faction.

2. Every time zos have an event to try and entice people into PvP, there's a subset of idiots who go out of their way to make that experience absolutely miserable for anyone dipping their toes in.

3. #2 doesn't help #1.