Alliance change tokens

ZarkingFrued

It is time. I have been informed by multiple ZoS customer service reps that it is the most requested crown item. This makes sense due to the recent locking of campaigns to appease the players who already dominate the game by gathering as many players as possible in one group to take over the map. Put limitations on it such as no entering a locked campaign on a freshly swapped character or whatever. Ignore the people who want to control others gaming time and options. I can delete and waste days rebuilding a character on another alliance, yet I cant just swap one that I've already burned ridiculous amounts of time leveling. This is the ultimate PVP quality of life improvement aside from performance. Do this and make people happy, and make yourselves money. Please stop holding out on this. Most people who will use these simply want to set all of their characters to the alliance they currently play. This isn't going to hurt anyone, the entire player base isn't going to swap to one alliance. There is no good reason to not make these available. It is only keeping many people from playing the full game they paid for because they have been locked out of characters for months.

Unseelie

Does the Any Race Any Alliance upgrade have an effect on this?

Siohwenoeht

There's an unlocked campaign for one. For two, it's been stated by the devs that not only are they not considering it despite the requests, but that too much is tied to alliance choice in the game code to allow for a token.

That said, I've proposed a mechanic where on completion of Caldwell's Gold, a toon can have a one time chance to change alliance. This avoids all the problems, well at least the ones the devs have mentioned.

Unfortunately, a token just can't be done. I won't rehash the technical part since it's in plenty of the previous threads requesting this.

ZarkingFrued

Unseelie wrote: »

Does the Any Race Any Alliance upgrade have an effect on this?

Zero

ZarkingFrued

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

There's an unlocked campaign for one. For two, it's been stated by the devs that not only are they not considering it despite the requests, but that too much is tied to alliance choice in the game code to allow for a token.

That said, I've proposed a mechanic where on completion of Caldwell's Gold, a toon can have a one time chance to change alliance. This avoids all the problems, well at least the ones the devs have mentioned.

Unfortunately, a token just can't be done. I won't rehash the technical part since it's in plenty of the previous threads requesting this.

If you are suggesting someone play in the unlocked campaign I'm gonna have to assume that you've never played on it. It has only the most mediocre of populations at peak hours. I don't care how id have to do it, one time is fine. Coders are paid for a reason, let's have some faith in them.

Siohwenoeht

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

There's an unlocked campaign for one. For two, it's been stated by the devs that not only are they not considering it despite the requests, but that too much is tied to alliance choice in the game code to allow for a token.

That said, I've proposed a mechanic where on completion of Caldwell's Gold, a toon can have a one time chance to change alliance. This avoids all the problems, well at least the ones the devs have mentioned.

Unfortunately, a token just can't be done. I won't rehash the technical part since it's in plenty of the previous threads requesting this.

If you are suggesting someone play in the unlocked campaign I'm gonna have to assume that you've never played on it. It has only the most mediocre of populations at peak hours. I don't care how id have to do it, one time is fine. Coders are paid for a reason, let's have some faith in them.

I play on both campaigns, and at least on xb1, the unlocked has a decent pop on primetime, not great, but decent. The folks who play off NA but their primetime is our overnight have it bad, I admit that.

Even though I said I wouldn't, briefly: the alliance choice affects so much more than just PVP, that switching a toon that hasn't;

1. Finished it's first alliance quest chain
2. Finished the harbourage quest chain
3. Finished the cold harbour quest chain
4. To a lesser extent: finished Caldwell's silver and gold.

Would have a problematic impact for that specific toon rendering it impossible to go back and complete any of those chains.

Taleof2Cities

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

I can delete and waste days rebuilding a character on another alliance, yet I cant just swap one that I've already burned ridiculous amounts of time leveling.

You can level a new character in a day with good XP management and being diligent about getting skill points.

But maybe that wasn't mentioned in the hundreds of other forum threads on this same topic???

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

If you are suggesting someone play in the unlocked campaign I'm gonna have to assume that you've never played on it. It has only the most mediocre of populations at peak hours.

You choosing not to play on a specific PvP campaign isn't anyone else's problem ... especially not ZOS's.

RPGplayer13579

On the topic of ___________ Change Tokens I would like to request a Class Change Token. One of these Tokens would be very useful for one of my characters.

Runefang

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

There's an unlocked campaign for one. For two, it's been stated by the devs that not only are they not considering it despite the requests, but that too much is tied to alliance choice in the game code to allow for a token.

That said, I've proposed a mechanic where on completion of Caldwell's Gold, a toon can have a one time chance to change alliance. This avoids all the problems, well at least the ones the devs have mentioned.

Unfortunately, a token just can't be done. I won't rehash the technical part since it's in plenty of the previous threads requesting this.

If you are suggesting someone play in the unlocked campaign I'm gonna have to assume that you've never played on it. It has only the most mediocre of populations at peak hours. I don't care how id have to do it, one time is fine. Coders are paid for a reason, let's have some faith in them.

I play on both campaigns, and at least on xb1, the unlocked has a decent pop on primetime, not great, but decent. The folks who play off NA but their primetime is our overnight have it bad, I admit that.

Even though I said I wouldn't, briefly: the alliance choice affects so much more than just PVP, that switching a toon that hasn't;

1. Finished it's first alliance quest chain
2. Finished the harbourage quest chain
3. Finished the cold harbour quest chain
4. To a lesser extent: finished Caldwell's silver and gold.

Would have a problematic impact for that specific toon rendering it impossible to go back and complete any of those chains.

They’d need to distinguish between alliance for PVE and PVP, I.e leave your PvE alliance alone when switching alliances for PvP. Otherwise it’s a significant amount of effort for them to develop this.

Beardimus

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

It is time. I have been informed by multiple ZoS customer service reps that it is the most requested crown item. This makes sense due to the recent locking of campaigns to appease the players who already dominate the game by gathering as many players as possible in one group to take over the map. Put limitations on it such as no entering a locked campaign on a freshly swapped character or whatever. Ignore the people who want to control others gaming time and options. I can delete and waste days rebuilding a character on another alliance, yet I cant just swap one that I've already burned ridiculous amounts of time leveling. This is the ultimate PVP quality of life improvement aside from performance. Do this and make people happy, and make yourselves money. Please stop holding out on this. Most people who will use these simply want to set all of their characters to the alliance they currently play. This isn't going to hurt anyone, the entire player base isn't going to swap to one alliance. There is no good reason to not make these available. It is only keeping many people from playing the full game they paid for because they have been locked out of characters for months.

Is this thread a necro? You know they added an unlocked campaign a few patches ago right?

Ignoring your side dig at faction lock, to your actual point. ZOS stated at an event last year that alliance change is technically difficult for whatever reason. If it's truely as in demand as you say I'm sure they will overcome that for commercial reasons and pop on the crown store with a cool down.

Or, as I said, you can enter the campaign with no faction locks lol.

Beardimus

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

There's an unlocked campaign for one. For two, it's been stated by the devs that not only are they not considering it despite the requests, but that too much is tied to alliance choice in the game code to allow for a token.

That said, I've proposed a mechanic where on completion of Caldwell's Gold, a toon can have a one time chance to change alliance. This avoids all the problems, well at least the ones the devs have mentioned.

Unfortunately, a token just can't be done. I won't rehash the technical part since it's in plenty of the previous threads requesting this.

If you are suggesting someone play in the unlocked campaign I'm gonna have to assume that you've never played on it. It has only the most mediocre of populations at peak hours. I don't care how id have to do it, one time is fine. Coders are paid for a reason, let's have some faith in them.

Ah I see, so faction lock isn't as unpopular as you make out, in fact it's people's preference despite what some suggest..

Your side complaint about the lock really does detract from your request. Which I personally agree wouldn't be a problem, if demand is there I'm sure they would overcome it..perhaps there just isn't the demand

idk

As I am sure someone else has pointed out Zos has said they have heard the requests and have clearly stated they are not interested in offering a means to change alliances. I watched that stream about a year ago and they were direct with the reply.

Also I doubt any CS representative that would be replying to our tickets has actual information on this. They are also a very bad CS rep if they are providing such replies as they are hired to represent the client, not the customer.

Siohwenoeht

Runefang wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

There's an unlocked campaign for one. For two, it's been stated by the devs that not only are they not considering it despite the requests, but that too much is tied to alliance choice in the game code to allow for a token.

That said, I've proposed a mechanic where on completion of Caldwell's Gold, a toon can have a one time chance to change alliance. This avoids all the problems, well at least the ones the devs have mentioned.

Unfortunately, a token just can't be done. I won't rehash the technical part since it's in plenty of the previous threads requesting this.

If you are suggesting someone play in the unlocked campaign I'm gonna have to assume that you've never played on it. It has only the most mediocre of populations at peak hours. I don't care how id have to do it, one time is fine. Coders are paid for a reason, let's have some faith in them.

I play on both campaigns, and at least on xb1, the unlocked has a decent pop on primetime, not great, but decent. The folks who play off NA but their primetime is our overnight have it bad, I admit that.

Even though I said I wouldn't, briefly: the alliance choice affects so much more than just PVP, that switching a toon that hasn't;

1. Finished it's first alliance quest chain
2. Finished the harbourage quest chain
3. Finished the cold harbour quest chain
4. To a lesser extent: finished Caldwell's silver and gold.

Would have a problematic impact for that specific toon rendering it impossible to go back and complete any of those chains.

They’d need to distinguish between alliance for PVE and PVP, I.e leave your PvE alliance alone when switching alliances for PvP. Otherwise it’s a significant amount of effort for them to develop this.

That could work as well, but I have no idea if the code currently allows for such a distinction. From what I have read and heard, they said it's impossible, without using the word impossible.

The true tell, though, is that they haven't offered it and with the current trend they know they could monetize the heck out it.

Artorias24

I would rather see that at the beginning of the campaign we can choose the alliance we want to fight for. Would make more sense instead of forcing the alliance on my character when He gets "Born".

grannas211

Be prepared there are a bunch of people that will come in and tell you to level a new character. They are adamantly against the idea for god knows why.

MartiniDaniels

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

There's an unlocked campaign for one. For two, it's been stated by the devs that not only are they not considering it despite the requests, but that too much is tied to alliance choice in the game code to allow for a token.

That said, I've proposed a mechanic where on completion of Caldwell's Gold, a toon can have a one time chance to change alliance. This avoids all the problems, well at least the ones the devs have mentioned.

Unfortunately, a token just can't be done. I won't rehash the technical part since it's in plenty of the previous threads requesting this.

ZOS can make it easily something like "renegade" alliance change. So it doesn't impact anything other then Cyrodiil campaign. Given that all quests are available to anybody and you are handled in PVE zones of other alliances, like you are member of those, I don't see much problems with this.

Chaos2088

I do think the Devs did mention at some point why they cannot implement this yet somewhere. Trying to find the link as it was a eso live or reveal.

Siohwenoeht

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

There's an unlocked campaign for one. For two, it's been stated by the devs that not only are they not considering it despite the requests, but that too much is tied to alliance choice in the game code to allow for a token.

That said, I've proposed a mechanic where on completion of Caldwell's Gold, a toon can have a one time chance to change alliance. This avoids all the problems, well at least the ones the devs have mentioned.

Unfortunately, a token just can't be done. I won't rehash the technical part since it's in plenty of the previous threads requesting this.

ZOS can make it easily something like "renegade" alliance change. So it doesn't impact anything other then Cyrodiil campaign. Given that all quests are available to anybody and you are handled in PVE zones of other alliances, like you are member of those, I don't see much problems with this.

I may not be as easy as you assume. From what the devs have said before, alliance choice is baked into more than just the surface and changing it obviously has some consequence otherwise it would have arrived in the crown store already.

TheValar85

Class chnage token would be better. cos aliance tokens can serves exploits over cyrodiil when it comes with faction swapping.

Turelus

Chaos2088 wrote: »

I do think the Devs did mention at some point why they cannot implement this yet somewhere. Trying to find the link as it was a eso live or reveal.

I asked Rob face to face at an events and he stated they're not interested in doing it for the game and there is also a whole lot of work which would need to be done, it's apparently not a simple thing like race chance.

ZarkingFrued

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

There's an unlocked campaign for one. For two, it's been stated by the devs that not only are they not considering it despite the requests, but that too much is tied to alliance choice in the game code to allow for a token.

That said, I've proposed a mechanic where on completion of Caldwell's Gold, a toon can have a one time chance to change alliance. This avoids all the problems, well at least the ones the devs have mentioned.

Unfortunately, a token just can't be done. I won't rehash the technical part since it's in plenty of the previous threads requesting this.

If you are suggesting someone play in the unlocked campaign I'm gonna have to assume that you've never played on it. It has only the most mediocre of populations at peak hours. I don't care how id have to do it, one time is fine. Coders are paid for a reason, let's have some faith in them.

I play on both campaigns, and at least on xb1, the unlocked has a decent pop on primetime, not great, but decent. The folks who play off NA but their primetime is our overnight have it bad, I admit that.

Even though I said I wouldn't, briefly: the alliance choice affects so much more than just PVP, that switching a toon that hasn't;

1. Finished it's first alliance quest chain
2. Finished the harbourage quest chain
3. Finished the cold harbour quest chain
4. To a lesser extent: finished Caldwell's silver and gold.

Would have a problematic impact for that specific toon rendering it impossible to go back and complete any of those chains.

idk wrote: »

As I am sure someone else has pointed out Zos has said they have heard the requests and have clearly stated they are not interested in offering a means to change alliances. I watched that stream about a year ago and they were direct with the reply.

Also I doubt any CS representative that would be replying to our tickets has actual information on this. They are also a very bad CS rep if they are providing such replies as they are hired to represent the client, not the customer.

I'm glad you took the time to evaluate a customer service rep. ZOS says they won't do things all the time that they do, and says they'll do things that they dont. It's a matter of coding work, and I can't imagine coming to the forums to simply say something can and never will happen.

Case and point is that if enough people push for it they might actually look into how much work it would be. But if dev fan boys continue to do what you do for no reason then that is only hurting the chances for no reason.

ZarkingFrued

TheValar85 wrote: »

Class chnage token would be better. cos aliance tokens can serves exploits over cyrodiil when it comes with faction swapping.

How can you exploit cyrodill with an alliance change token? More spy mass delusion? I can turn on any number of streamers and see either opposing factions guild and zone chat. No one really cares to do that. We just want to be able to play our characters in a populated campaign. End of story. Either alliance change tokens or get rid of faction locks.

ZarkingFrued

Forums are so full of negative people with nothing to do other than attempt to shut down every idea.

ZarkingFrued

grannas211 wrote: »

Be prepared there are a bunch of people that will come in and tell you to level a new character. They are adamantly against the idea for god knows why.

Because it doesn't affect them so naturally they don't want anyone else having fun.

CompM4s

Would be cool if you chose what alliance to be on at beginning of campaign

ZarkingFrued

Beardimus wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

There's an unlocked campaign for one. For two, it's been stated by the devs that not only are they not considering it despite the requests, but that too much is tied to alliance choice in the game code to allow for a token.

That said, I've proposed a mechanic where on completion of Caldwell's Gold, a toon can have a one time chance to change alliance. This avoids all the problems, well at least the ones the devs have mentioned.

Unfortunately, a token just can't be done. I won't rehash the technical part since it's in plenty of the previous threads requesting this.

If you are suggesting someone play in the unlocked campaign I'm gonna have to assume that you've never played on it. It has only the most mediocre of populations at peak hours. I don't care how id have to do it, one time is fine. Coders are paid for a reason, let's have some faith in them.

Ah I see, so faction lock isn't as unpopular as you make out, in fact it's people's preference despite what some suggest..

Your side complaint about the lock really does detract from your request. Which I personally agree wouldn't be a problem, if demand is there I'm sure they would overcome it..perhaps there just isn't the demand

The lock is the ENTIRE reason for the request. What are you even trying to say? It's because of the lock that we cannot play multiple characters. We get it. You role play in Cyro zergs.

ZarkingFrued

CompM4s wrote: »

Would be cool if you chose what alliance to be on at beginning of campaign

Honestly this seems to be the best possible route but less likely to be monetized so less likely to happen. Doesn't matter, apparently every single zerg daddy forum warrior is assault ing the post trying to keep other players from being able to enjoy the game they paid for. It's a deep deep desire for them.

Ranger209

see below

AuraStorm43

Didn’t WOW pvp balance get ruined when they let people jump factions?

I don’t want people to be able to jump to the winning faction to be able to zerg down the rest of the factions, only thing i see is what someone above suggested, you get a 1 time switch after completing Cadwell’s Gold

Ranger209

Ranger209 wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

There's an unlocked campaign for one. For two, it's been stated by the devs that not only are they not considering it despite the requests, but that too much is tied to alliance choice in the game code to allow for a token.

That said, I've proposed a mechanic where on completion of Caldwell's Gold, a toon can have a one time chance to change alliance. This avoids all the problems, well at least the ones the devs have mentioned.

Unfortunately, a token just can't be done. I won't rehash the technical part since it's in plenty of the previous threads requesting this.

If you are suggesting someone play in the unlocked campaign I'm gonna have to assume that you've never played on it. It has only the most mediocre of populations at peak hours. I don't care how id have to do it, one time is fine. Coders are paid for a reason, let's have some faith in them.

I play on both campaigns, and at least on xb1, the unlocked has a decent pop on primetime, not great, but decent. The folks who play off NA but their primetime is our overnight have it bad, I admit that.

Even though I said I wouldn't, briefly: the alliance choice affects so much more than just PVP, that switching a toon that hasn't;

1. Finished it's first alliance quest chain
2. Finished the harbourage quest chain
3. Finished the cold harbour quest chain
4. To a lesser extent: finished Caldwell's silver and gold.

Would have a problematic impact for that specific toon rendering it impossible to go back and complete any of those chains.

They’d need to distinguish between alliance for PVE and PVP, I.e leave your PvE alliance alone when switching alliances for PvP. Otherwise it’s a significant amount of effort for them to develop this.

That could work as well, but I have no idea if the code currently allows for such a distinction.

The code is there, they use it for battlegrounds. Battle grounds doesn't care if you are AD, EP, or DC, it changes you to one of three pseudo factions for the duration of the match. This allows AD to group with EP and kill other AD characters during that match. They would need to create 3 new pseudo factions for Cyrodiil such as KaalAD, KaalEP, and KaalDC that allow AD, EP, or DC to join any of them when in Kaal. Then obviously lock all characters on that account to the choice made similar to now.

Karivaa

Zos did announce that due to coding issues, it would never happen.