New Moon Acolyte

TheFM · January 14

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

Counter point, the set is too good with only 5% more cost. It ought to be at least 10%

Agree 100 percent. The hoops I have to jump through to make clever alchemist viable, which isabout the same damage buff as new moon, is crazy, whereas NMA you can just slap it on, and go to town, hardly notice any difference in cost.

MartiniDaniels · January 14

NMA looks like example of balanced and interesting set, good work from ZOS imo. It is good for some builds, not so good for others, this is how majority of sets in the game should be.

DCZergNoob · January 14

So what you mean to tell me is that you want a set that gives you a constant almost 600 weapon and spell damage with absolutely no downside to it? How much in terms of meta chasing can you get

the 5% is barely noticeable once you get use to it. If you can't get use to it then your a bot and need to pick something else

DivineFirstYOLO · January 14

hamgatan wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Without increased cost it would be BiS for both PvE and PvP without any doubt.

nope not even close. Relequens outperforms it by at least 6K on a 21 mill dummy. ive tested it thoroughly.

parsing average 56k on NMA with 4k base wep dmg.

parsing average 63k on Rele with 3.2k base wep dmg.

(gold 5 piece all medium divines - combined with Deadly and Veli)

god, i'm praying every night for ppl like you, doesn't seem to work tho..

Syrusthevirus187 · January 14

Good set. More please.

hamgatan · January 15

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Without increased cost it would be BiS for both PvE and PvP without any doubt.

nope not even close. Relequens outperforms it by at least 6K on a 21 mill dummy. ive tested it thoroughly.

parsing average 56k on NMA with 4k base wep dmg.

parsing average 63k on Rele with 3.2k base wep dmg.

(gold 5 piece all medium divines - combined with Deadly and Veli)

god, i'm praying every night for ppl like you, doesn't seem to work tho..

Cool story bro

php64 · January 16

I'm not able to craft this set yet Which set could I use instead alongside Mother's Sorrow and Ice Heart on a solo mag sorc?

Royaji · January 16

php64 wrote: »

I'm not able to craft this set yet Which set could I use instead alongside Mother's Sorrow and Ice Heart on a solo mag sorc?

Just ask in one of your guilds or even zone chat. There are always kind people who will craft you whatever you want just for the mats themselves.

WrathOfInnos · January 16

TheFM wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

Counter point, the set is too good with only 5% more cost. It ought to be at least 10%

Agree 100 percent. The hoops I have to jump through to make clever alchemist viable, which isabout the same damage buff as new moon, is crazy, whereas NMA you can just slap it on, and go to town, hardly notice any difference in cost.

That’s because Clever Alchemist is a bad set.

For NMA to justify a 10% cost increase if would have to give much more Weapon and Spell Damage. Using Seducer as an example, it would be negating an entire 5pc bonus of 10% Spell cost reduction, and therefore would need to give a 5pc value double the standard on sets like Julianos/Hundings for 600 Weapon and Spell Damage.

Even that value isn’t quite accurate from a game balance point of view. In reality the cost increase on NMA is more comparable to Alteration Mastery’s reduction, since it applies to every resource including Ultimate. Using this as a baseline, NMA at 10% cost increase negates 167% of a 5pc bonus, so it would need to provide 800 Weapon and Spell Damage on the 5pc to balance this. I know this sounds ridiculous, but so is a 10% cost increase to everything.

doomette · January 16

So, silly question, what’s a dad build?

The_Old_Goat · January 16

doomette wrote: »

So, silly question, what’s a dad build?

A snarky catchphrase.

doomette · January 16

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

So, silly question, what’s a dad build?

A snarky catchphrase.

That means.....?

MurderMostFoul · January 16

doomette wrote: »

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

So, silly question, what’s a dad build?

A snarky catchphrase.

That means.....?

Dad here:

Fairly easy to acquire build with high power floor and low skill ceiling.

doomette · January 16

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

So, silly question, what’s a dad build?

A snarky catchphrase.

That means.....?

Dad here:

Fairly easy to acquire build with high power floor and low skill ceiling.

Heh okay, thank you.

relentless_turnip · January 16

JumpmanLane wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I'm still driving the nerf bus for this set; it must be 10% at least in order to make people think twice about it in PvP.

As it is, there is a strong PvP (especially Stamina) monoculture of gear that this set has created, it is simply too good not to be using on damage characters.

Few sets give you comparable Weapon or Spell Damage on their own (~600) but the key difference is that all of those comparable sets have BIG limitations on uptime (Moon Hunter, BSW, Scathing Mage) or have other heavy restrictions (Spell Strategist applies only to one target) on their use.

Meantime, NMA is ALWAYS ON and applies to ALL TARGETS and is paired with Penetration, another rare and highly desirable PvP trait.

The alternative solution is to simply buff every other set in the game so that choosing NMA is no longer the obvious slam-dunk solution that it is today.

(And it's SUPER EASY to obtain just by visiting the Guild Stores or asking in your guild chat, so that is really not a compelling reason for this set to be wildly OP.)

Elemental Succession on a MagDk is WAY better than NMA. You forgot Succession...Besides 5% increase on the cost of Leap! (and Leap’s CHEAP), makes NMA TRASH...on a MagDk lol.

I agree👍 I jumped on the nma train... Then I tried succession and realised how strong it is. I can feel a noticeable difference in sustain too.

ChunkyCat · January 16

Chunky’s pro-tip of the day:

On a Stamina Warden, Spriggans is better than New Moon Acolyte. Test them and see for yourself.

This pro-tip brought to you by the catch phrase: [snip]

Edit for inappropriate remark.

MurderMostFoul · January 16

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Chunky’s pro-tip of the day:

On a Stamina Warden, Spriggans is better than New Moon Acolyte. Test them and see for yourself.

This pro-tip brought to you by the catch phrase: [snip]

Edit for inappropriate remark.

I'll def have to give this a whirl.

Edit: [snip]

Edit for inappropriate remark.

Deathlord92 · January 16

NMA a good set that everyone benefits from if anyone complaining there just being silly.

JumpmanLane · January 16

Deathlord92 wrote: »

NMA a good set that everyone benefits from if anyone complaining there just being silly.

Dude, the set is garbage...on a MagDk at any rate. Better stuff to run. Maybe not as easy to acquire; but better stuff to run.

So, no. It does not benefit EVERYONE; and, I’m NEVER silly about Magicka Dragonknight...EVER. Lol.

TheFamousMockingbird · March 14

The cost increase on NMA affects all active abilities? So also block, dodge roll and breakfree?

MurderMostFoul · March 14

TheFamousMockingbird wrote: »

The cost increase on NMA affects all active abilities? So also block, dodge roll and breakfree?

Yes, and ulti in case you were wondering.

zvavi · March 14

@php64 if you are pc eu i can help you get it crafted for the mats.

xshatox · March 15

jaws343 wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

It kind of feels like New Moon Acolyte and Ancient Dragonguard were designed to be used together, so the cost increase is meant to help balance an almost 800 point increase in both weapon and spell power with some armor baked in.

I have been running both on my magblade and it is pretty powerful. The Resistance increase from AD on top of the undeath passive is great.

I’ve been considering this for my PVP stamDK. Do you have any issues with sustain? What race and food do you use to offset the increased cost?

DuckInRealLife · March 15

I play a semi-hybrid stam based sorc which I mainly do PvE in this set.
Pelinal's and New Moon's makes any playstyle possible at the drop of the hat.

MaxJrFTW · March 15

I'm going list some sets that were rendered almost useless by the introduction of NMA

Elemental Succession
Hunding's Rage
Law of Julianos
Innate Axiom
Knight's Errant Mail(tbf it was always useless, but even worse now due to NMA)
Sword Dancer
Burning Spellweave
Armor of Truth
Netch's Touch
Strength of the Automaton
Spider Cultist Cowl
Scathing Mage
Moon Hunter
Dro'zakar's Claws
Sword-Singer
Armor of the Veiled Heritance(rip)
Seventh Legion Brute
Vampire Lord(was always a joke)
Way of Air
Soulshine
Swamp Raider
Silks of the Sun
Ysgramor's Birthright
Flanking Strategist
Briarheart
War Maiden
Ravager(rip)

Literally all of those sets were replaced by NMA. The only reason why you'd ever use one of them anymore is if you use them alongside NMA.

If a 5% cost increase is a problem for you, then that's exactly what it is. A problem for YOU, and you need to work on fixing it because you're obviously doing something wrong.

JumpmanLane · March 15

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

I'm going list some sets that were rendered almost useless by the introduction of NMA

Elemental Succession
Hunding's Rage
Law of Julianos
Innate Axiom
Knight's Errant Mail(tbf it was always useless, but even worse now due to NMA)
Sword Dancer
Burning Spellweave
Armor of Truth
Netch's Touch
Strength of the Automaton
Spider Cultist Cowl
Scathing Mage
Moon Hunter
Dro'zakar's Claws
Sword-Singer
Armor of the Veiled Heritance(rip)
Seventh Legion Brute
Vampire Lord(was always a joke)
Way of Air
Soulshine
Swamp Raider
Silks of the Sun
Ysgramor's Birthright
Flanking Strategist
Briarheart
War Maiden
Ravager(rip)

Literally all of those sets were replaced by NMA. The only reason why you'd ever use one of them anymore is if you use them alongside NMA.

If a 5% cost increase is a problem for you, then that's exactly what it is. A problem for YOU, and you need to work on fixing it because you're obviously doing something wrong.

Nah...Succession is better on a MagDk. And I run 2 piece Kena on mine lol.

OG_Kaveman · March 16

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

I'm going list some sets that were rendered almost useless by the introduction of NMA

Elemental Succession
Hunding's Rage
Law of Julianos
Innate Axiom
Knight's Errant Mail(tbf it was always useless, but even worse now due to NMA)
Sword Dancer
Burning Spellweave
Armor of Truth
Netch's Touch
Strength of the Automaton
Spider Cultist Cowl
Scathing Mage
Moon Hunter
Dro'zakar's Claws
Sword-Singer
Armor of the Veiled Heritance(rip)
Seventh Legion Brute
Vampire Lord(was always a joke)
Way of Air
Soulshine
Swamp Raider
Silks of the Sun
Ysgramor's Birthright
Flanking Strategist
Briarheart
War Maiden
Ravager(rip)

Literally all of those sets were replaced by NMA. The only reason why you'd ever use one of them anymore is if you use them alongside NMA.

If a 5% cost increase is a problem for you, then that's exactly what it is. A problem for YOU, and you need to work on fixing it because you're obviously doing something wrong.

while i agree with the spirit of this post, the bolded sets are procs and can be single barred, which make them for valuable for a lot of builds over NMA.

MaxJrFTW · March 16

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

I'm going list some sets that were rendered almost useless by the introduction of NMA

Elemental Succession
Hunding's Rage
Law of Julianos
Innate Axiom
Knight's Errant Mail(tbf it was always useless, but even worse now due to NMA)
Sword Dancer
Burning Spellweave
Armor of Truth
Netch's Touch
Strength of the Automaton
Spider Cultist Cowl
Scathing Mage
Moon Hunter
Dro'zakar's Claws
Sword-Singer
Armor of the Veiled Heritance(rip)
Seventh Legion Brute
Vampire Lord(was always a joke)
Way of Air
Soulshine
Swamp Raider
Silks of the Sun
Ysgramor's Birthright
Flanking Strategist
Briarheart
War Maiden
Ravager(rip)

Literally all of those sets were replaced by NMA. The only reason why you'd ever use one of them anymore is if you use them alongside NMA.

If a 5% cost increase is a problem for you, then that's exactly what it is. A problem for YOU, and you need to work on fixing it because you're obviously doing something wrong.

while i agree with the spirit of this post, the bolded sets are procs and can be single barred, which make them for valuable for a lot of builds over NMA.

Most people have nma on one bar and potentates on the back bar.

MurderMostFoul · March 16

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

I'm going list some sets that were rendered almost useless by the introduction of NMA

Elemental Succession
Hunding's Rage
Law of Julianos
Innate Axiom
Knight's Errant Mail(tbf it was always useless, but even worse now due to NMA)
Sword Dancer
Burning Spellweave
Armor of Truth
Netch's Touch
Strength of the Automaton
Spider Cultist Cowl
Scathing Mage
Moon Hunter
Dro'zakar's Claws
Sword-Singer
Armor of the Veiled Heritance(rip)
Seventh Legion Brute
Vampire Lord(was always a joke)
Way of Air
Soulshine
Swamp Raider
Silks of the Sun
Ysgramor's Birthright
Flanking Strategist
Briarheart
War Maiden
Ravager(rip)

Literally all of those sets were replaced by NMA. The only reason why you'd ever use one of them anymore is if you use them alongside NMA.

If a 5% cost increase is a problem for you, then that's exactly what it is. A problem for YOU, and you need to work on fixing it because you're obviously doing something wrong.

while i agree with the spirit of this post, the bolded sets are procs and can be single barred, which make them for valuable for a lot of builds over NMA.

Most people have nma on one bar and potentates on the back bar.

Or dw brp.

Malmai · March 16

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I'm still driving the nerf bus for this set; it must be 10% at least in order to make people think twice about it in PvP.

As it is, there is a strong PvP (especially Stamina) monoculture of gear that this set has created, it is simply too good not to be using on damage characters.

Few sets give you comparable Weapon or Spell Damage on their own (~600) but the key difference is that all of those comparable sets have BIG limitations on uptime (Moon Hunter, BSW, Scathing Mage) or have other heavy restrictions (Spell Strategist applies only to one target) on their use.

Meantime, NMA is ALWAYS ON and applies to ALL TARGETS and is paired with Penetration, another rare and highly desirable PvP trait.

The alternative solution is to simply buff every other set in the game so that choosing NMA is no longer the obvious slam-dunk solution that it is today.

(And it's SUPER EASY to obtain just by visiting the Guild Stores or asking in your guild chat, so that is really not a compelling reason for this set to be wildly OP.)

U need to start living a life.