New Moon Acolyte

GrimTheReaper45

Is the increased cost really necessary? Its a good staple dad build set but even without the increased cost we still have sets that are better that NMA. Like its somewhere between juli and mother sorrow. Its not a bis set even without the increased cost. Its just a well rounded set that is easy to get. Noone that has bis gear is going to pick this set over it.

Juhasow

Without increased cost it would be BiS for both PvE and PvP without any doubt.

BaiterOfZergs

The set is pretty much bis in pvp but I can hardly see how the cost increase is that taxing for anyone that knows how to manage their resources.

jaws343

I use this alongside False God's. The sustain from FG greatly offsets the cost increase from New Moon when there are adds present in a fight. There are some boss fights that I remain at 50%+ magicka through the entire fight due to the False God sustain.

The issue with many of the other sets is that they only provide RNG focused buffs. Like BSW, you will never have 100% uptime of the spell damage. NMA's set bonuses are really good, and the 5% cost increase is manageable enough to make it worth running, for a set that has 100% uptime.

Acrolas

It kind of feels like New Moon Acolyte and Ancient Dragonguard were designed to be used together, so the cost increase is meant to help balance an almost 800 point increase in both weapon and spell power with some armor baked in.

rumple9

It is bis providing it has the infused trait on armour or jewellery coupled with mag or stam enchantments to overcome the increased resource cost

GrimTheReaper45

Juhasow wrote: »

Without increase cost it would be BiS for both PvE and PvP.

really? you think it would be better than like mother sorrow, siroria, false god, bright throat, lokkes, spinners, necro,

KillsAllElves

All that Damage comes with a negative effect= ability cost increase.

All damage sources should be buffed to counter the resistance stacking in pvp and on top of that i need more damage to help with vma😁


#NERFSORC

GrimTheReaper45

I just think theres alot of sets out there that are better than new moon already

Davadin

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Is the increased cost really necessary? Its a good staple dad build set but even without the increased cost we still have sets that are better that NMA. Like its somewhere between juli and mother sorrow. Its not a bis set even without the increased cost. Its just a well rounded set that is easy to get. Noone that has bis gear is going to pick this set over it.

dunno about mag build
dunno about PvE


but Stam user in Cyrodiil?

This set is BiS.

This + Fury is perhaps BiS for StamDK and StamSorc..... possibly StamCro too.


And it's not THAT easy to get considering it needs full 9 traits to craft.

Hey man, I'm all for buffing my build, but i think the increased cost (which is, meh? I barely notice it other than I have to wait a littttlle bit longer for spamming my DK Leap)

jaws343

Acrolas wrote: »

It kind of feels like New Moon Acolyte and Ancient Dragonguard were designed to be used together, so the cost increase is meant to help balance an almost 800 point increase in both weapon and spell power with some armor baked in.

I have been running both on my magblade and it is pretty powerful. The Resistance increase from AD on top of the undeath passive is great.

Danksta

Isn't Lokke/NMA/master 2H bis for trash pulls on several classes?

ForzaRammer

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Without increase cost it would be BiS for both PvE and PvP.

really? you think it would be better than like mother sorrow, siroria, false god, bright throat, lokkes, spinners, necro,

Siroria and relequen is only good on some bosses. Out of all these u listed, only lokk is clearly better, false good is good because of the minor slayer. The non trial sets simply don’t offer as much.

Emma_Overload

This set is perfectly balanced as is. Doing what OP suggests would cause the forums to explode with calls for a nerf.

D0PAMINE

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Without increase cost it would be BiS for both PvE and PvP.

really? you think it would be better than like mother sorrow, siroria, false god, bright throat, lokkes, spinners, necro,

It's not about which set is better, but how well it pairs with the sets you listed.

Vyvrhel

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Is the increased cost really necessary?

Heh. Expect a HEAVY nerf once enough people buy the DLC.

OG_Kaveman

Counter point, the set is too good with only 5% more cost. It ought to be at least 10%

Casterial

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Is the increased cost really necessary? Its a good staple dad build set but even without the increased cost we still have sets that are better that NMA. Like its somewhere between juli and mother sorrow. Its not a bis set even without the increased cost. Its just a well rounded set that is easy to get. Noone that has bis gear is going to pick this set over it.

theres a cost increase? Hmm I barely notice

akdave0

Can the cost be reduced by using pots or runes?

hamgatan

Juhasow wrote: »

Without increased cost it would be BiS for both PvE and PvP without any doubt.

nope not even close. Relequens outperforms it by at least 6K on a 21 mill dummy. ive tested it thoroughly.

parsing average 56k on NMA with 4k base wep dmg.

parsing average 63k on Rele with 3.2k base wep dmg.

(gold 5 piece all medium divines - combined with Deadly and Veli)

Kurat

hamgatan wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Without increased cost it would be BiS for both PvE and PvP without any doubt.

nope not even close. Relequens outperforms it by at least 6K on a 21 mill dummy. ive tested it thoroughly.

parsing average 56k on NMA with 4k base wep dmg.

parsing average 63k on Rele with 3.2k base wep dmg.

(gold 5 piece all medium divines - combined with Deadly and Veli)

Relequens outperforms it only when humping dummy or very few trial bosses.
And you clearly doing something wrong when you're getting so low numbers.

MashmalloMan

Honestly, it's got a very strong combination of stats, probably the most stat dense set in the game and I really like it's design, especially from a hybrid perspective. Adding a cost increase allows it to be so stat dense. With a set like this, you don't need to bother with Penials Aptitude.

I've wanted to make some hybrid pvp builds using this set using it only on the front bar, maybe with Ancient Dragonguard or Shacklebreaker, it would of been perfect imo if the crit was mag/stam instead, but crit is a powerful stat, at least in PVE.

Any guide you watch online has this set front barrred, if anything, I'd argue the 5% cost increase is going to be bumped up to 10% in the sake of balance and I can see that increase being warranted.

Edit: From a pvp perspective if that wasn't obvious.

Hapexamendios

I paired it with Hundings. I used Stam Recovery Gliffs on my jewelry and Serpent. Had just over 4k weapon damage and 1800 recovery with food and no buffs. Using bi-stat food.

YandereGirlfriend

I'm still driving the nerf bus for this set; it must be 10% at least in order to make people think twice about it in PvP.

As it is, there is a strong PvP (especially Stamina) monoculture of gear that this set has created, it is simply too good not to be using on damage characters.

Few sets give you comparable Weapon or Spell Damage on their own (~600) but the key difference is that all of those comparable sets have BIG limitations on uptime (Moon Hunter, BSW, Scathing Mage) or have other heavy restrictions (Spell Strategist applies only to one target) on their use.

Meantime, NMA is ALWAYS ON and applies to ALL TARGETS and is paired with Penetration, another rare and highly desirable PvP trait.

The alternative solution is to simply buff every other set in the game so that choosing NMA is no longer the obvious slam-dunk solution that it is today.

(And it's SUPER EASY to obtain just by visiting the Guild Stores or asking in your guild chat, so that is really not a compelling reason for this set to be wildly OP.)

Canned_Apples

~5% is noticeable in nocp, but it's negligible in cp.
CP basically cancels out any negative effect of any set. CP is a huge crutch.

hamgatan

Kurat wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Without increased cost it would be BiS for both PvE and PvP without any doubt.

nope not even close. Relequens outperforms it by at least 6K on a 21 mill dummy. ive tested it thoroughly.

parsing average 56k on NMA with 4k base wep dmg.

parsing average 63k on Rele with 3.2k base wep dmg.

(gold 5 piece all medium divines - combined with Deadly and Veli)

Relequens outperforms it only when humping dummy or very few trial bosses.
And you clearly doing something wrong when you're getting so low numbers.

no it outperforms in trials too.. clearly you're cooked so here's proof as follows -

vAA HM - https://www.esologs.com/reports/vPZQXqw4bJFfm9Gn#fight=9
This is wearing NMA - 40k on Valariel. Far left pillar position.

vAA HM - https://www.esologs.com/reports/ngJBFXq24RWymrcf#fight=9
This is wearing Relequen - 47k on Valariel. Far left pillar position also.

Same Trial. Same rotations. Same position, Same group (almost). The difference is being able to keep up 20 stacks. If you can't keep 20 stacks up (i.e. vCR portal group) then yeah it would come close, but in every situation you can - Relequen is better.

Also put the pipe down, those aren't low numbers when your ping is 300+.

Nyladreas

Juhasow wrote: »

Without increased cost it would be BiS for both PvE and PvP without any doubt.

No it would not.

Nyladreas

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

The set is pretty much bis in pvp but I can hardly see how the cost increase is that taxing for anyone that knows how to manage their resources.

Also no, it's not.

It's really easy to overcome that maulus.

Kurat

hamgatan wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Without increased cost it would be BiS for both PvE and PvP without any doubt.

nope not even close. Relequens outperforms it by at least 6K on a 21 mill dummy. ive tested it thoroughly.

parsing average 56k on NMA with 4k base wep dmg.

parsing average 63k on Rele with 3.2k base wep dmg.

(gold 5 piece all medium divines - combined with Deadly and Veli)

Relequens outperforms it only when humping dummy or very few trial bosses.
And you clearly doing something wrong when you're getting so low numbers.

no it outperforms in trials too.. clearly you're cooked so here's proof as follows -

vAA HM - https://www.esologs.com/reports/vPZQXqw4bJFfm9Gn#fight=9
This is wearing NMA - 40k on Valariel. Far left pillar position.

vAA HM - https://www.esologs.com/reports/ngJBFXq24RWymrcf#fight=9
This is wearing Relequen - 47k on Valariel. Far left pillar position also.

Same Trial. Same rotations. Same position, Same group (almost). The difference is being able to keep up 20 stacks. If you can't keep 20 stacks up (i.e. vCR portal group) then yeah it would come close, but in every situation you can - Relequen is better.

Also put the pipe down, those aren't low numbers when your ping is 300+.

Lmao. vAA is a parse trial, all bosses are target dummies. Try using Relequen in vAS, vCR etc. Also its useless in trash fights and dungeons coz bosses die before you get even close to 20 stacks. NMA is better in 90% of the content.

hamgatan

Kurat wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Without increased cost it would be BiS for both PvE and PvP without any doubt.

nope not even close. Relequens outperforms it by at least 6K on a 21 mill dummy. ive tested it thoroughly.

parsing average 56k on NMA with 4k base wep dmg.

parsing average 63k on Rele with 3.2k base wep dmg.

(gold 5 piece all medium divines - combined with Deadly and Veli)

Relequens outperforms it only when humping dummy or very few trial bosses.
And you clearly doing something wrong when you're getting so low numbers.

no it outperforms in trials too.. clearly you're cooked so here's proof as follows -

vAA HM - https://www.esologs.com/reports/vPZQXqw4bJFfm9Gn#fight=9
This is wearing NMA - 40k on Valariel. Far left pillar position.

vAA HM - https://www.esologs.com/reports/ngJBFXq24RWymrcf#fight=9
This is wearing Relequen - 47k on Valariel. Far left pillar position also.

Same Trial. Same rotations. Same position, Same group (almost). The difference is being able to keep up 20 stacks. If you can't keep 20 stacks up (i.e. vCR portal group) then yeah it would come close, but in every situation you can - Relequen is better.

Also put the pipe down, those aren't low numbers when your ping is 300+.

Lmao. vAA is a parse trial, all bosses are target dummies. Try using Relequen in vAS, vCR etc. Also its useless in trash fights and dungeons coz bosses die before you get even close to 20 stacks. NMA is better in 90% of the content.

Hence why I said there are situations you can't keep up 20 stacks.. I.e. running from Olms, dealing with crystals downstairs in vCR and doing tombs in vSS.

Also vAA is only a parse trial if you are ranged. Melee suffers here because you lose DPS running from the Lightning boss to the cleanse circle. You lose DPS on the Mage if you're dealing with mobile Atros/Mages and not simply sitting on her arse spewing out rotations.

JumpmanLane

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I'm still driving the nerf bus for this set; it must be 10% at least in order to make people think twice about it in PvP.

As it is, there is a strong PvP (especially Stamina) monoculture of gear that this set has created, it is simply too good not to be using on damage characters.

Few sets give you comparable Weapon or Spell Damage on their own (~600) but the key difference is that all of those comparable sets have BIG limitations on uptime (Moon Hunter, BSW, Scathing Mage) or have other heavy restrictions (Spell Strategist applies only to one target) on their use.

Meantime, NMA is ALWAYS ON and applies to ALL TARGETS and is paired with Penetration, another rare and highly desirable PvP trait.

The alternative solution is to simply buff every other set in the game so that choosing NMA is no longer the obvious slam-dunk solution that it is today.

(And it's SUPER EASY to obtain just by visiting the Guild Stores or asking in your guild chat, so that is really not a compelling reason for this set to be wildly OP.)

Elemental Succession on a MagDk is WAY better than NMA. You forgot Succession...Besides 5% increase on the cost of Leap! (and Leap’s CHEAP), makes NMA TRASH...on a MagDk lol.