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regime211

On how screwed up this game is, and yet we talk about skyrim...yeah let's FIRST get the game working..like you know BG's teams being balanced, class/skill lines/sets..etc how does one blue screen during a duel? Let alone through Trials,Battlegrounds,Cyrodiil,Dungeons? Hell even from just questing.

Narvuntien

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

regime211

Narvuntien wrote: »

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

*sigh I really don't care if it's different parts of the game, all departments eventually came together to create this game am I correct? So regardless as a WHOLE they're ALL responsible for this mess period.

Anotherone773

They can do both at the same time. I would love for them to focus more on fixes and less on new content, but most players wouldnt. In fact most players will disagree with the general consensus on this forum. Sorry, but your view isnt even in the minority its in a minority of a minority.

BTW, if you are on PC blue screen is a hardware( memory) problem. If youre on PS4 its a ( lack of) memory problem as well. The next update is suppose to help PS4( and maybe xbox i dunno?) players with their playing issue. So probably a fix so that the game isnt such a memory hog and doesnt try to use memory that isnt available and what not.

jircris11

regime211 wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

*sigh I really don't care if it's different parts of the game, all departments eventually came together to create this game am I correct? So regardless as a WHOLE they're ALL responsible for this mess period.

Every department has its roles, please do not assume a group that works on crownshop or the chapters can easily work on bug fixes. Also you this this is bad you must have missed launch. The way game development works is a group of teams each have ASSIGNED ROLES and they ONLY focus on said roles.

Nordic__Knights

It is hard to see them adding and adding but never fixing things that have been around for years now thats wrong on top of all the new bugs and unpopular lag thats hit the game in full force you know the conservative way they teach you to log in 😆 😆 its became funny at best how bad eso has became even to just log in to the game takes 3 tries beforehand and pvp has became running from keeps to avoid getting loadscreen to death re cap or worse kicked to login but hey bring on skyrim that will fix the overloaded zones with the new 100's of fan boys/girls of one if not best es game ever coming to see how skyrim fits into eso

regime211

jircris11 wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

*sigh I really don't care if it's different parts of the game, all departments eventually came together to create this game am I correct? So regardless as a WHOLE they're ALL responsible for this mess period.

Every department has its roles, please do not assume a group that works on crownshop or the chapters can easily work on bug fixes. Also you this this is bad you must have missed launch. The way game development works is a group of teams each have ASSIGNED ROLES and they ONLY focus on said roles.

Once again they it took ALL of these departments to create the game, so regardless it's on all of them, when apple comes out with a new phone and it has it's issue's the news does not say it's the design/software departments fault! No they report it as Apple having an issue with their iphone. So everyone is to blame for this game becoming the way that it is.

jircris11

regime211 wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

*sigh I really don't care if it's different parts of the game, all departments eventually came together to create this game am I correct? So regardless as a WHOLE they're ALL responsible for this mess period.

Every department has its roles, please do not assume a group that works on crownshop or the chapters can easily work on bug fixes. Also you this this is bad you must have missed launch. The way game development works is a group of teams each have ASSIGNED ROLES and they ONLY focus on said roles.

Once again they it took ALL of these departments to create the game, so regardless it's on all of them, when apple comes out with a new phone and it has it's issue's the news does not say it's the design/software departments fault! No they report it as Apple having an issue with their iphone. So everyone is to blame for this game becoming the way that it is.

Your using a phone as an example, in the development world that's considered a static software. A mmo is an intricate dance with each update you rock creating more bugs. Not because it's not tested but because in house vs live has a MASSIVE difference in player amounts. Personally I don't suffer 3/4th of the bugs I see reported. But I also don't use add ona and I don't overclock. Mmos will ALWAYS have bugs, and sadly no they can't take other departments to fix said bugs. You would not ask a carpenter to do your electrical work would you?

Chaos2088

I’m not a game developer but can see by their road map they had to rewrite a whole tool in the game and then doing all sorts of other stuff. Pretty sure you can’t to it all in one go. It’s frustrating yes. But they are working on it.

But wait and see, also being vocal on here is a good thing as they do need to know what the community still cares.

Curious_Death

regime211 wrote: »

On how screwed up this game is, and yet we talk about skyrim...yeah let's FIRST get the game working..like you know BG's teams being balanced, class/skill lines/sets..etc how does one blue screen during a duel? Let alone through Trials,Battlegrounds,Cyrodiil,Dungeons? Hell even from just questing.

A) Old content - old money - repair bugged content for just eso+ income?
New content - new money - screw old content for new dlc / chapters = more eso+/crowns sale

As we know ZOS is corp. so... option they choose is clearly understood.

There's only one way to make them look at option A) - no customers for option - but this is impossible with nostalgic players who play this lottery of lags, bugs and toxic worms - include me

Eso101rus

Narvuntien wrote: »

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

If I buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out, I want them to fix the problem, and not offer me a new set of wheels....

Chill_dawg

Eso101rus wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

If I buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out, I want them to fix the problem, and not offer me a new set of wheels....

This is the perfect analogy that proves how non logical this post is.

If you buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out, it is unrealistic to think the car company is going to shut it's factories down and not produce new cars till your problem is fixed.

It's also not logical to think that because one area of the company is producing new content, that this somehow prevents another area of the company from working on known issues. Or that the new content will somehow make the existing issues worse. Or that simply stopping the development of new content will somehow make fixing current issues happen faster.

Anyone who has actually ever been a part of a large company and knows how they are run understands this.

PrimusNephilim

Blue screen is OP, I even get it when first logging in. Everyone is all excited about Skyrim but we all know what happens when new content drops right? The usual lock ups and freezes. With the current state of problems taking place right now, new content is going to make this *** show a supersized *** show with a match to go...you just watch

Eso101rus

Chill_dawg wrote: »

Eso101rus wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

If I buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out, I want them to fix the problem, and not offer me a new set of wheels....

This is the perfect analogy that proves how non logical this post is.

If you buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out, it is unrealistic to think the car company is going to shut it's factories down and not produce new cars till your problem is fixed.

It's also not logical to think that because one area of the company is producing new content, that this somehow prevents another area of the company from working on known issues. Or that the new content will somehow make the existing issues worse. Or that simply stopping the development of new content will somehow make fixing current issues happen faster.

Anyone who has actually ever been a part of a large company and knows how they are run understands this.

No you have completely misread my point. If I buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out I want them to fix that issue and not offer me new wheels for that car, NOT a “new set of wheels” as in another car!!! But as is the case of ESO there are flaws experienced by many which are causing frustration and have for some time. Bringing out new stuff just compounds the amount of code that may need adjusting in the future. This seems to have been what’s happening to the game for some time, what were once holes are now chasms purely because they have been around for a long time.

Zephard

Uh, different departments of a business do different things. Why fire the musicians for making music to the new product, because battlegrounds department is having issues with their product?

A particular electronics company that makes phones didn't fire the screen team when the battery team was having issues. Nor did they stop the development of the next product because the apps department had security issues.

Yes a company can be responsible for all it's products. But I have never worked at a company that made departments stop doing what they do, to go work on a different departments issues, except for yearly physical inventory, where the actual warehouse department was not allowed to do the job. And no, a company can actual just say, "No we are not going to fix that error. You can just acknowledge it exist and work around it or not use our product." This happens all the time.

kargen27

regime211 wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

*sigh I really don't care if it's different parts of the game, all departments eventually came together to create this game am I correct? So regardless as a WHOLE they're ALL responsible for this mess period.

Every department has its roles, please do not assume a group that works on crownshop or the chapters can easily work on bug fixes. Also you this this is bad you must have missed launch. The way game development works is a group of teams each have ASSIGNED ROLES and they ONLY focus on said roles.

Once again they it took ALL of these departments to create the game, so regardless it's on all of them, when apple comes out with a new phone and it has it's issue's the news does not say it's the design/software departments fault! No they report it as Apple having an issue with their iphone. So everyone is to blame for this game becoming the way that it is.

No it probably didn't take them all to create the game. Troubleshooting and running down bad code takes a different skill set than what is needed for content creation. Takes a different way of thinking. Being good at one does not automatically translate to being good at the other. The teams need to work together where there is some overlap and they really need to communicate but shutting down one department thinking it will somehow help the other isn't a good idea.

Chill_dawg

Eso101rus wrote: »

Chill_dawg wrote: »

Eso101rus wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

If I buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out, I want them to fix the problem, and not offer me a new set of wheels....

This is the perfect analogy that proves how non logical this post is.

If you buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out, it is unrealistic to think the car company is going to shut it's factories down and not produce new cars till your problem is fixed.

It's also not logical to think that because one area of the company is producing new content, that this somehow prevents another area of the company from working on known issues. Or that the new content will somehow make the existing issues worse. Or that simply stopping the development of new content will somehow make fixing current issues happen faster.

Anyone who has actually ever been a part of a large company and knows how they are run understands this.

No you have completely misread my point. If I buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out I want them to fix that issue and not offer me new wheels for that car, NOT a “new set of wheels” as in another car!!! But as is the case of ESO there are flaws experienced by many which are causing frustration and have for some time. Bringing out new stuff just compounds the amount of code that may need adjusting in the future. This seems to have been what’s happening to the game for some time, what were once holes are now chasms purely because they have been around for a long time.

I understood the point you were making. I was saying that your analogy illustrates what is wrong with the argument of the OP. If a car company makes a car where some people experience the engine cutting out, it is unrealistic to think that car manufacturer is going to stop making cars till that issue is addressed. It's not going to happen.

In the same way, suggesting that Zos stop bringing out new content is simply unrealistic. That's not going to happen. And the argument that the new content is somehow making the old issues worse is a correlative argument because causation is assumed but not proven.

I apologize for the confusion. Your original suggestion that you would want your engine fixed and not be offered new tires is accurate, but it's not what the OP is arguing.

And, again, anyone who has worked for a large corporation knows that they are compartmentalized and departments aren't interchangeable. That's why people are correctly pointing out that no company is going to stop all departments until the one responsible for fixing an issue has actually fixed the issue. Unrealistic.

lagrue

Eso101rus wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Eso101rus wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

If I buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out, I want them to fix the problem, and not offer me a new set of wheels....

so what, fire 100s of people while the handful who can fix the issues do so? sounds like a great plan....

Huh? I think you’ve responded to the wrong comment. I didn’t suggest firing anyone. If you dont fix the problem, and add new stuff, you still have to fix the problem and may find that the problem with the new stuff as well. It appears this compounding is relevant maybe....

oh no, I replied to exactly the right post.

They are trying to fix old stuff - but there's specific people relegated to that job. The people fixing it aren't the ones making new content, so I was rhetorically asking what they're supposed to do? Fire everybody else while the handful of people who can fix it do? I mean I'm wondering what your optimal solution here is - if the people's whos job it is to make new content aren't making new content, then logically they won't be kept on payroll... so I don't think people like you or OP realize what you're saying.

Different department do different things. It's not all of their job collectively to bugfix, so why should 10 other departments shut down or cease working on what they're supposed to be working on?

ZOS_GregoryV

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts for Baiting and Flaming, we would like to remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil and constructive, as well as within the guidelines of the rules that we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Goregrinder

regime211 wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

*sigh I really don't care if it's different parts of the game, all departments eventually came together to create this game am I correct? So regardless as a WHOLE they're ALL responsible for this mess period.

So you want the artists to suddenly learn how to program over night and jump in the trenches? And the Sound guys to suddenly get N+/CCNA certified and learn SQL?

lagrue

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts for Baiting and Flaming, we would like to remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil and constructive, as well as within the guidelines of the rules that we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Genuinely curious as to how I baited or flamed anybody to get my comments deleted

iiYuki

Narvuntien wrote: »

*sigh*
You understand that those are completely different departments of the team, don't you?
The expansions make money to fund the balance teams work which otherwise doesn't directly make any money.

The only thing the expansions fund is the department responsible for pumping out recolored store mounts. Funny how the store never goes down, and no matter how bad the game gets there is always a fresh stock of gamble-crates or other *** on offer for exorbitant prices.

PrimusNephilim

lagrue wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts for Baiting and Flaming, we would like to remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil and constructive, as well as within the guidelines of the rules that we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Genuinely curious as to how I baited or flamed anybody to get my comments deleted

I made a comment quoting OP and that's post is now gone, just now logging in and saw this, what did I miss?

Mr_Walker

Chill_dawg wrote: »

This is the perfect analogy that proves how non logical this post is.

If you buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out, it is unrealistic to think the car company is going to shut it's factories down and not produce new cars till your problem is fixed.

This is a terrible analogy. In the real world, if the above happened, there'd be a massive recall and the company would be forced to rectify the problem.

Anotherone773

Quoted post has been removed.

That isnt true at all. I criticize ZOS all the time and never get edited, banned, etc. But there is a huge difference between how i criticize them and what you wrote. You arent criticizing, you are attacking. They arent the same thing. There is nothing constructive in your post and its basically a troll post, even if that is not how you intended it. Which is why it will likely get deleted.

MaleAmazon

They *have* started to balance the game. They recently did a pass to balance DoTs and some other stuff.

The result was the Great Salt Sea of Tears (located 4 miles west of The Magnificent Cyrodiil Lag Complaint Basin) from PvE players that "ZOS took away my DPS".

If you look at stuff like "direct damage at 28 m" they basically all do the same damage now (no, don´t write to me about exceptions, I don´t care that much) with the secondary effects being the difference.

Personally I find it slightly boring, but I must admit it is pretty balanced.

You won´t have a really balanced game since there are so many possibilities to 'unbalance' the game through synergizing sets, skills etc. Which is the point of strategy, after all.

BSoD might not be ZOS.

Chill_dawg

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Chill_dawg wrote: »

This is the perfect analogy that proves how non logical this post is.

If you buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out, it is unrealistic to think the car company is going to shut it's factories down and not produce new cars till your problem is fixed.

This is a terrible analogy. In the real world, if the above happened, there'd be a massive recall and the company would be forced to rectify the problem.

Exactly.

But you have to keep it in context of this conversation. Car companies have had issues with cars actually leading to people dying and you know what never happened? Those car companies never stopped making new cars.

So suggesting Zos stop making new content till other in game issues is corrected.....isn't going to happen.

Context.

kargen27

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Chill_dawg wrote: »

This is the perfect analogy that proves how non logical this post is.

If you buy a car and the engine keeps cutting out, it is unrealistic to think the car company is going to shut it's factories down and not produce new cars till your problem is fixed.

This is a terrible analogy. In the real world, if the above happened, there'd be a massive recall and the company would be forced to rectify the problem.

Yeah there would be a recall and the problem would be fixed. It would not be fixed by the people that build the cars. The company would continue to develop new models of vehicles and continue to make current models not affected by the problem. They would not assign everybody to trying to solve the problem.

Sy1ph5

Ultimately bugs would get fixed if ZoS spent the money on fixing it. ZoS decides where the development budget gets spent. And defending them like they just can't reallocate content development resources is idiotic.

RedGirl41

regime211 wrote: »

On how screwed up this game is, and yet we talk about skyrim...yeah let's FIRST get the game working..like you know BG's teams being balanced, class/skill lines/sets..etc how does one blue screen during a duel? Let alone through Trials,Battlegrounds,Cyrodiil,Dungeons? Hell even from just questing.

I 100% agree. Obviously those are completely different parts of the team but the point is they are going to drop a hugely important and nostalgic dlc on us with a completely broken base game.

We just had a maintenance patch for ps4 yesterday
For the severe bluescreen problem and it did nothing. I’ve bluescreen 6+ times today and half of them were just casually standing around. Pvp already 3 times.

All this patch did was reduce resolution and reduce render distance, which at this point is actually insane. You can’t even see full zergs before you are practically on top of them. They just “patch” things that “might” help and it does nothing

Marcus684

I hate to break it to you, but lots of people aren’t experiencing the game-breaking bugs that other are, and are excited about and expect a steady steam of new content to keep them playing, subbing and buying stuff. ZOS would be foolish to stop rolling out new content to satisfy the demands of the ones who are having the most problems, particularly because I suspect many of these problems aren’t actually due to ZOS’ code.