Remove the stun from 'Streak'

markusloveFTM

I just feel like the stun from steak is overkill; I wouldn't mind it if it maybe applied minor maim (15% damage done debuff) or something to the enemy, but a stun? For a mobility tool? Seems a bit OP.

I mean, they already have their crystal fragments for a stun.

Sorry for the small post, I didn't know what else to say.

Nerftheforums

markusloveFTM wrote: »

I just feel like the stun from steak is overkill; I wouldn't mind it if it maybe applied minor maim (15% damage done debuff) or something to the enemy, but a stun? For a mobility tool? Seems a bit OP.

I mean, they already have their crystal fragments for a stun.

Sorry for the small post, I didn't know what else to say.

You should read the patch notes from 2 years ago or actually play the damn class. Chrystal fragment doesn't stun dude. Maim is a freaking strong debuff, how would tying that to a mobility skill be balanced?

Asardes

It's not the stun that's the problem, but the fact it's AoE and can't be blocked.

jadarock

No

ChunkyCat

€,€

Ragnarock41

Asardes wrote: »

It's not the stun that's the problem, but the fact it's AoE and can't be blocked.

Exactly. There is literally no counter play to it.

Joy_Division

Skill has worked fine for 6 years and now all of sudden needs to be nerfed. Yeah, ok.

Xvorg

Streak is OK. The increased cost per streak is a good way to keep it from spammingly offensively.

There must be certain skill when dealing with a sorc , as well there's certain skill in the case of a sorc uses streak offensively.

ChunkyCat

markusloveFTM wrote: »

Sorry for the small post, I didn't know what else to say.

I only read posts that have at least six inches of text with no paragraph breaks.

Size matters ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

markusloveFTM

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skill has worked fine for 6 years and now all of sudden needs to be nerfed. Yeah, ok.

Has it worked fine for 6 years though? Sorcerer has been the best class both PvE and PvP since the game was released.

Just seems kind of crazy that the class would have a wait till the enemy is on 20% HP execute, gap closer/escape tool, shields, crazy burst from easy proc crystal fragments, pets at their disposal, AoE immobilization.

It's not like Sorcerer would lose their ability to stun, they can spec into crystal blast or rune prison for a stun.

markusloveFTM

Also, if I were to actually play a sorcerer, I really don't like the idea of using streak is a stun, it just doesn't look or feel right for a mage, in my opinion; (in before "NO ONE CARES ABOUT CLASS FORMALITY"), we are playing an roleplaying game here.

Taleof2Cities

Oh joy ... another nerf Sorc thread.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skill has worked fine for 6 years and now all of sudden needs to be nerfed. Yeah, ok.

If a Templar main says a Sorc skill is fine then I don’t know what to tell you, OP.

sproattt

No nerfs. No more. Streak should be buffed to actually work 100% and not glitch for the users.

Streak is fine. Sorc is fine. Could be buffed as with Nightblade to be on par with Warden and Templar.

markusloveFTM

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Oh joy ... another nerf Sorc thread.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skill has worked fine for 6 years and now all of sudden needs to be nerfed. Yeah, ok.

If a Templar main says a Sorc skill is fine then I don’t know what to tell you, OP.

Mains are just what people started with, leveled the most, does all the crafting, probably loves his Sorcerer being OP, probably loves entering battlegrounds and going god-mode.

jadarock

I play stamblade magdk magplar and magcro I die to sorcs on all of them ....Streak is fine

markusloveFTM

Asardes wrote: »

It's not the stun that's the problem, but the fact it's AoE and can't be blocked.

At least this.

jadarock wrote: »

I play stamblade magdk magplar and magcro I die to sorcs on all of them ....Streak is fine

It's not fine.

NordSwordnBoard

@markusloveFTM I used to think NBs were OP until I played as one - and doing so helped me understand how to defeat them much more effectively. Know your enemy.

You need to understand you're asking to nerf a class defining skill. You're also suggesting stun replacements like Blast, a telegraphed cast time stun and (over buffed then nerfed) rune prison which is also very obvious to enemies. You even admit you've never used anything you suggest as a viable replacement.

Streak does not need a nerf. They actually just adjusted the skill recently (and I am loving the cone effect) and left the stun part of the skill.

markusloveFTM

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

@markusloveFTM I used to think NBs were OP until I played as one - and doing so helped me understand how to defeat them much more effectively. Know your enemy.

You need to understand you're asking to nerf a class defining skill. You're also suggesting stun replacements like Blast, a telegraphed cast time stun and (over buffed then nerfed) rune prison which is also very obvious to enemies. You even admit you've never used anything you suggest as a viable replacement.

Streak does not need a nerf. They actually just adjusted the skill recently (and I am loving the cone effect) and left the stun part of the skill.

I've just watched a video of rune cage and it's instant cast with no more than a second delay, it looks perfect, on top of that, if they don't break out of it, they get damaged.

No, of course, this isn't enough, you need your stun built into your mobility tool. Hey, why doesn't critical charge and ambush stun too?

xWarbrain

markusloveFTM wrote: »

I just feel like the stun from steak is overkill; I wouldn't mind it if it maybe applied minor maim (15% damage done debuff) or something to the enemy, but a stun? For a mobility tool? Seems a bit OP.

I mean, they already have their crystal fragments for a stun.

Sorry for the small post, I didn't know what else to say.

Oh, do you feel that way? I feel like you need to learn to play, like the rest of us instead of recommending abilities to be nerfed. If a Sorc stunning you with Streak is too much for you to handle, its a L2P issue.

Edit: For clarification, I don't play Sorc.

Nord_Raseri

No more nerfs. For anybody. Not. One. Single. Nerf.

NBrookus

Streak does not need a nerf. Sorc needs a reliable stun.

vamp_emily

Sorc do need nerfed. Lets start with nerfing streak and then we can discuss Templars.

#NB lives matter

Nord_Raseri

vamp_emily wrote: »

Sorc do need nerfed. Lets start with nerfing streak and then we can discuss Templars.

#NB lives matter

How about buff NB, instead of nerfing anyone else?

Ragnarock41

NBrookus wrote: »

Streak does not need a nerf. Sorc needs a reliable stun.

Everybody needs a reliable stun. However everyone also needs counterplay of some sort. Streak stun does not need to be unblockable. I'm not saying remove the stun, I'm saying the buff to make it unblockable not only made rune prison a pointless ability , but also removed the only counterplay against streak stun.

Abilities like d.swing/draining shot/reverb bash are no good as CC anymore, but even when they were at their strongest, these abilities were both blockable and dodgeable. You could make an argument for fossilize, which recently had a cost nerf, however you can not use fossilize as a gapcloser or escape.

Streak is a class defining ability and thats fine. But class defining or not there should be something I can do about it. I can't run away from a sorc, I can't block, I can't dodge it, Its absurd that a stamsorc can ALWAYS streak into onslaught or a magsorc will have constant pressure against me as a Dk, who should be the ''attrition class''.

WreckfulAbandon

Lol "they already have their stun from crystal frags"

This is why most nerf threads should be disregarded.

NordSwordnBoard

markusloveFTM wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

@markusloveFTM I used to think NBs were OP until I played as one - and doing so helped me understand how to defeat them much more effectively. Know your enemy.

You need to understand you're asking to nerf a class defining skill. You're also suggesting stun replacements like Blast, a telegraphed cast time stun and (over buffed then nerfed) rune prison which is also very obvious to enemies. You even admit you've never used anything you suggest as a viable replacement.

Streak does not need a nerf. They actually just adjusted the skill recently (and I am loving the cone effect) and left the stun part of the skill.

I've just watched a video of rune cage and it's instant cast with no more than a second delay, it looks perfect, on top of that, if they don't break out of it, they get damaged.

No, of course, this isn't enough, you need your stun built into your mobility tool. Hey, why doesn't critical charge and ambush stun too?

Blast is channeled
Your opponent has to have no stamina to get damaged by rune cage, I hardly ever saw people get to that point when I used it. Anybody with any skill breaks free before the damage.

Any class can use this skill:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Shielded+Assault

Gap closer, stun & damage shield from one skill. Why aren't you asking to nerf shielded assault?

Rahar

Level-headed, rational people should just move on from threads like these and find more constructive ways to use their time. Anyone in here arguing for one side or another won't change their minds, and trying is fruitless.

Of course I'm always happy to see @ChunkyCat in a thread like this. What a memelord. He has the right idea.

Starlock

markusloveFTM wrote: »

I mean, they already have their crystal fragments for a stun.

Lightning mages won't use that skill.

Want to remove more stuns from the game? Okay. Separate PvP from PvE when it comes to the functionality of stuns. Leave the stun PvE alone. It's fun, and for those of us who create characters rather than "builds" we use specific skills because they make sense for our characters. Changing the functionality of the skills we use means we just loose the functionality entirely. That's not fun. It's bad enough that my lightning mage lost his main stun a few patches ago. Just stop it.

Moonsorrow

markusloveFTM wrote: »

Seems a bit OP.

Nah, it is working as intended like it has for years, so no it is not overpowered but instead your own performance is just underpowered.

You can fix that problem with training, so do not be sad. Learning to use your own strenghts is more rewarding than trying to change the game to your level.

Gilvoth

markusloveFTM wrote: »

I just feel like the stun from steak is overkill; I wouldn't mind it if it maybe applied minor maim (15% damage done debuff) or something to the enemy, but a stun? For a mobility tool? Seems a bit OP.

I mean, they already have their crystal fragments for a stun.

Sorry for the small post, I didn't know what else to say.

Absolutely!
stunn should be removed from streak.
i hope it happens.

Gilvoth

Moonsorrow wrote: »

markusloveFTM wrote: »

Seems a bit OP.

Nah, it is working as intended like it has for years, so no it is not overpowered but instead your own performance is just underpowered.

You can fix that problem with training, so do not be sad. Learning to use your own strenghts is more rewarding than trying to change the game to your level.

the stunn is overkill and it is also unblockable, and in no way is your insult that we need to learn in training legitimate.