Please ZOS enough....

Stebarnz

So.… Emp has hammer and bugs it out by logging on and off so its infinite!!

This should never be a thing.

Emp should never have hammer and also it should not stay forever.

Good lord man!

Nyladreas

Stebarnz wrote: »

So.… Emp has hammer and bugs it out by logging on and off so its infinite!!

This should never be a thing.

Emp should never have hammer and also it should not stay forever.

Good lord man!

Wow that's actually ***. If that was intentional it should be a good ban.

Wheresthetea11

Hammer is balanced and working as intended

Stebarnz

Its (snip) character name is (snip). (Snip) EULA.

I would report but it wont do any good with these (snip) running the joint.

Thanks for making this game (snip)!

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npuk

It would make things more interesting that if a an alliance that has emp picks up the hammer it drops all emp bonuses they had.

ZOS_FalcoYamaoka

Greetings,

Thank you for your findings. Our team is currently looking into this matter. However, please remember our community rules involving naming and shaming.

We do not allow posts or threads that are created for the purpose of “naming-and-shaming” other community member(s). “Naming-and-shaming” is the act of creating a post to call out an individual or group by name, and making them the subject of public accusation, ridicule and/or shaming.

Also, please follow these steps to report exploits successfully.

Thanks for understanding.

Dread_Viking

Stebarnz wrote: »

So.… Emp has hammer and bugs it out by logging on and off so its infinite!!

This should never be a thing.

Emp should never have hammer and also it should not stay forever.

Good lord man!

NA or Eu just asking

Nyladreas

ZOS_FelipeF wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for your findings. Our team is currently looking into this matter. However, please remember our community rules involving naming and shaming.

We do not allow posts or threads that are created for the purpose of “naming-and-shaming” other community member(s). “Naming-and-shaming” is the act of creating a post to call out an individual or group by name, and making them the subject of public accusation, ridicule and/or shaming.

Also, please follow these steps to report exploits successfully.

Thanks for understanding.

I mean I appreciate your moderation but that rule should always be situational and negotiable. It should never apply to people that purposely break the rules. But hey, then it would be too fair,right?

ZOS_Nith

Nyladreas wrote: »

I mean I appreciate your moderation but that rule should always be situational and negotiable. It should never apply to people that purposely break the rules. But hey, then it would be too fair,right?

Thank you for raising this question, it's one the moderation team sees frequently. To elaborate a little bit, this rule is in place mainly to protect players who might be the target of harassment and falsely accused. While we understand the urge to immediately to put a spotlight on a player who may be breaking the rules in an effort to protect others, this system can sometimes backfire and innocent players can be targeted. Alternatively, we ask for players to submit reports with as much information as possible so that our team can investigate and determine the appropriate action to take. We take these reports very seriously and greatly appreciate players who take the time to submit them.

Stebarnz

Dread_Viking wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

So.… Emp has hammer and bugs it out by logging on and off so its infinite!!

This should never be a thing.

Emp should never have hammer and also it should not stay forever.

Good lord man!

NA or Eu just asking

na

Stebarnz

Just wanna say the DM's from ZOS were quick and fair about this issue and I'm happy with the actions they took.

Im quick to bash when ZOS make errors so on the flip side I have to be quick to praise, thankyou for the help and communication.

Mr_Walker

Hopefully it's permaban time.

StackonClown

ZOS_Nith wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

I mean I appreciate your moderation but that rule should always be situational and negotiable. It should never apply to people that purposely break the rules. But hey, then it would be too fair,right?

Thank you for raising this question, it's one the moderation team sees frequently. To elaborate a little bit, this rule is in place mainly to protect players who might be the target of harassment and falsely accused. While we understand the urge to immediately to put a spotlight on a player who may be breaking the rules in an effort to protect others, this system can sometimes backfire and innocent players can be targeted. Alternatively, we ask for players to submit reports with as much information as possible so that our team can investigate and determine the appropriate action to take. We take these reports very seriously and greatly appreciate players who take the time to submit them.

Thanks Nith! This is a very meaningful explanation and makes sense to me.. Thumbs up!!!!

Nyladreas

ZOS_Nith wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

I mean I appreciate your moderation but that rule should always be situational and negotiable. It should never apply to people that purposely break the rules. But hey, then it would be too fair,right?

Thank you for raising this question, it's one the moderation team sees frequently. To elaborate a little bit, this rule is in place mainly to protect players who might be the target of harassment and falsely accused. While we understand the urge to immediately to put a spotlight on a player who may be breaking the rules in an effort to protect others, this system can sometimes backfire and innocent players can be targeted. Alternatively, we ask for players to submit reports with as much information as possible so that our team can investigate and determine the appropriate action to take. We take these reports very seriously and greatly appreciate players who take the time to submit them.

I do understand that and thank you for explaining that. Two things that would help here with how we feel about rule breakers is: see your actions against offenders and actually see ingame GM police the game and see their activity.

Just give us the feeling that when we report people someone really does hear about it. This way it feels like our cries fall on deaf ears. Honestly. That's why many of us resort to forums.

idk

Nyladreas wrote: »

ZOS_Nith wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

I mean I appreciate your moderation but that rule should always be situational and negotiable. It should never apply to people that purposely break the rules. But hey, then it would be too fair,right?

Thank you for raising this question, it's one the moderation team sees frequently. To elaborate a little bit, this rule is in place mainly to protect players who might be the target of harassment and falsely accused. While we understand the urge to immediately to put a spotlight on a player who may be breaking the rules in an effort to protect others, this system can sometimes backfire and innocent players can be targeted. Alternatively, we ask for players to submit reports with as much information as possible so that our team can investigate and determine the appropriate action to take. We take these reports very seriously and greatly appreciate players who take the time to submit them.

I do understand that and thank you for explaining that. Two things that would help here with how we feel about rule breakers is: see your actions against offenders and actually see ingame GM police the game and see their activity.

Just give us the feeling that when we report someone really does hear about it. This way it feels like our cries fall on deaf ears. Honestly. That's why many of us resort to forums.

Zos, like other gaming companies I have played their MMORPG, do not name those they take action against likely for legal reasons and the player does not exactly get due process so it really opens the door if they are publicly admonished.

It is also not a good business practice as Zos does get it wrong sometimes. It would not be a spotlight that Zos would like to be under if a person gets their ban overturned and steamers and such started reporting how Zos does not properly investigate before banning a player which and Zos has probably errored before.

Granted, I do not think Zos does enough and bot trains being allowed to continue in the same areas for weeks at a time do demonstrate Zos does not police the game very much and GMs seem to not be an active part of this game.

jircris11

Stebarnz wrote: »

So.… Emp has hammer and bugs it out by logging on and off so its infinite!!

This should never be a thing.

Emp should never have hammer and also it should not stay forever.

Good lord man!

EMP should be stripped and banned from pvp for a month for exploiting a bug.

Nyladreas

idk wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

ZOS_Nith wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

I mean I appreciate your moderation but that rule should always be situational and negotiable. It should never apply to people that purposely break the rules. But hey, then it would be too fair,right?

Thank you for raising this question, it's one the moderation team sees frequently. To elaborate a little bit, this rule is in place mainly to protect players who might be the target of harassment and falsely accused. While we understand the urge to immediately to put a spotlight on a player who may be breaking the rules in an effort to protect others, this system can sometimes backfire and innocent players can be targeted. Alternatively, we ask for players to submit reports with as much information as possible so that our team can investigate and determine the appropriate action to take. We take these reports very seriously and greatly appreciate players who take the time to submit them.

I do understand that and thank you for explaining that. Two things that would help here with how we feel about rule breakers is: see your actions against offenders and actually see ingame GM police the game and see their activity.

Just give us the feeling that when we report someone really does hear about it. This way it feels like our cries fall on deaf ears. Honestly. That's why many of us resort to forums.

Zos, like other gaming companies I have played their MMORPG, do not name those they take action against likely for legal reasons and the player does not exactly get due process so it really opens the door if they are publicly admonished.

It is also not a good business practice as Zos does get it wrong sometimes. It would not be a spotlight that Zos would like to be under if a person gets their ban overturned and steamers and such started reporting how Zos does not properly investigate before banning a player which and Zos has probably errored before.

Granted, I do not think Zos does enough and bot trains being allowed to continue in the same areas for weeks at a time do demonstrate Zos does not police the game very much and GMs seem to not be an active part of this game.

Well I really don't necessarily want to know who is the culprit. I just want to see that actions indeed are being taken and for what reason. People can figure out the rest.

HappyLittleTree

Hammer is called Volendrung fyi.

Curious_Death

HappyLittleTree wrote: »

Hammer is called Volendrung fyi.

thank you that post fixed and explained all ! everything is fixed !

Stebarnz wrote: »

So.… Emp has hammer and bugs it out by logging on and off so its infinite!!

This should never be a thing.

Emp should never have hammer and also it should not stay forever.

Good lord man!

HAHA it's same mechanics that AD do for years in EU KAAL! log in when no1s online and conquer map for buffs and score - getting also new players ... they also doing same trick with hammer! log in rly early so u will see.
emp relogging with hammer can shake hands with early morning dou**es - PvDoor Always Dumb allaince

truth is that - ESO gives too much options in pvp to get advantage over casuals who just wanna fight other player
Try to fight zerg with 4 magblades and magsorcs with vicious death sets
To win with it u needs to fire +10 magicka detonation in one second.

Scrolls and forts gives extra offensive stats - to make winning alliance even more OP - could just increase AP gain multiplier - and that would be better for every1.

And that HAMMER... lol in the game where ppl complain about survivality... they nerf dmg and gives chaos wepon with incredible damage potential lmao *** logic be ZOS... - why not leave damage as it is and give a *** SHIELD that lowers in X meters AOE dmg by X and increase healing received by X... ehhh
hammer also broke wall defense play that is one of best part of cyrodiil.

Muzza45

The OP and others having a cry.... lol's
It is simply a case where the bloke picks up the hammer, then subsequently becomes emp. Where is the exploit when it is simply as ZOS intended?? How can an emp log-off, then re-pick up the hammer? Impossible. Absolute drivel from a whinger who can't take losing. Quit trying to get folks banned, and instead re-concentrate your efforts in calling for nerfs as per usual.

Stebarnz

Muzza45 wrote: »

The OP and others having a cry.... lol's
It is simply a case where the bloke picks up the hammer, then subsequently becomes emp. Where is the exploit when it is simply as ZOS intended?? How can an emp log-off, then re-pick up the hammer? Impossible. Absolute drivel from a whinger who can't take losing. Quit trying to get folks banned, and instead re-concentrate your efforts in calling for nerfs as per usual.

[snip]

1. The person was emp BEFORE hammer spawned.
2. The person logged on and off several times still keeping hold of the hammer!
3. The hammer lasted well over 2 hours and not constant combat.

[snip]

[edited for non-constructive/baiting comment]

Muzza45

Stebarnz wrote: »

Muzza45 wrote: »

The OP and others having a cry.... lol's
It is simply a case where the bloke picks up the hammer, then subsequently becomes emp. Where is the exploit when it is simply as ZOS intended?? How can an emp log-off, then re-pick up the hammer? Impossible. Absolute drivel from a whinger who can't take losing. Quit trying to get folks banned, and instead re-concentrate your efforts in calling for nerfs as per usual.

[snip]

1. The person was emp BEFORE hammer spawned.
2. The person logged on and off several times still keeping hold of the hammer!
3. The hammer lasted well over 2 hours and not constant combat.

[snip]

[edited for non-constructive/baiting comment]

Absolute rubbish...!
I know this, as I was in group with them when they picked up the hammer. The group went round the ring, then emped. It was luck the guy with the hammer was in first place on the leaderboard. get your facts straight before you spew rubbish. The emp CANNOT pick up the hammer. It was folks like you blindly throwing themselves at the hammer which kept on feeding it.
I think the hammer is stupid... however, ZOS introduced it, so quit ya moaning and get on with it.

ZOS_FalcoYamaoka

Greetings,

Some posts have been removed due to their inappropriate nature. Please remain civil in your discussions.

Muzza45

Oh... along with all the other wild accusations and downright daft allegations, I can categorically deny the erstwhile emp was actually riding a dragon at the time

Maybe instead of simply removing "inappropriate posts" the moderators can check out the actual situation, then retrospectively ban those persons making false claims of cheating? Maybe the same length of ban that the person would've faced if it was proven? I know there are occasions of complainants being ignorant or lacking experience, but there are sometimes clear cases of skulduggery out there...

DragonRacer

Muzza45 wrote: »

Maybe instead of simply removing "inappropriate posts" the moderators can check out the actual situation, then retrospectively ban those persons making false claims of cheating?

I have no dog in this fight, but I did want to point out that the forum moderators are not the game developers 99% of the time. They would have nothing to do with investigating in-game reports nor would they dole out in-game punishment. Their sole function as forum moderators is to moderate the forum and keep our motley crew in line here.

Stebarnz

Muzza45 wrote: »

Oh... along with all the other wild accusations and downright daft allegations, I can categorically deny the erstwhile emp was actually riding a dragon at the time

Maybe instead of simply removing "inappropriate posts" the moderators can check out the actual situation, then retrospectively ban those persons making false claims of cheating? Maybe the same length of ban that the person would've faced if it was proven? I know there are occasions of complainants being ignorant or lacking experience, but there are sometimes clear cases of skulduggery out there...

The fact you are defending that scenario when even ZOS messaged me and stated it was an exploit they are looking into and that particular player is on there radar anyway (snip)

If you are for that kind of gameplay then you are in the minority I believe that 99% of people want the game to succeed and be fun to play (snip)

(edited for non-constructive commentary)

Jeremy

Muzza45 wrote: »

Oh... along with all the other wild accusations and downright daft allegations, I can categorically deny the erstwhile emp was actually riding a dragon at the time

Maybe instead of simply removing "inappropriate posts" the moderators can check out the actual situation, then retrospectively ban those persons making false claims of cheating? Maybe the same length of ban that the person would've faced if it was proven? I know there are occasions of complainants being ignorant or lacking experience, but there are sometimes clear cases of skulduggery out there...

They don't allow "naming and shaming". I think that's sufficient to protect those who might be falsely accused. If they started banning people for making inaccurate reports of cheating it would probably have a chilling effect on players willing to risk making reports in the first place. And that's the last thing this game needs.

Muzza45

Stebarnz wrote: »

Muzza45 wrote: »

Oh... along with all the other wild accusations and downright daft allegations, I can categorically deny the erstwhile emp was actually riding a dragon at the time

Maybe instead of simply removing "inappropriate posts" the moderators can check out the actual situation, then retrospectively ban those persons making false claims of cheating? Maybe the same length of ban that the person would've faced if it was proven? I know there are occasions of complainants being ignorant or lacking experience, but there are sometimes clear cases of skulduggery out there...

The fact you are defending that scenario when even ZOS messaged me and stated it was an exploit they are looking into and that particular player is on there radar anyway (snip)

If you are for that kind of gameplay then you are in the minority I believe that 99% of people want the game to succeed and be fun to play (snip)

My, my... you are one salty and bitter individual. Resorting to bad language and unacceptable verbal abuse on the forums. Maybe the moderators need to hand you a forum ban for such bad behaviour? @ZOS_FelipeF
(snip)

Anyway, I seem to recall being on the receiving end of an emp with a hammer last week being run by EP faction. I'm also certain you were also in that group responsible. Pot calling the kettle black?

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InaMoonlight

They WILL ban exploiters, but there's a right and wrong way to go about it. Do it in non-public ways, let them investigate IF they are doing it, or you're the one making false accusations. Imagine if they allowed every peed person's allegations? Your ex-friend, someone who just has it in for you and thinks "Ey they don't want anything to do with me, so i'll spam report/nameshame the heck outta them and hope one of them goes through for a ban!"... THAT kinda harassment exists too...

C'mon we're supposed to be adults in this game.

Muzza45

Anyway, getting back on the subject without resorting to childish outbursts.... Please note OP, I haven't gone down to your level of foul and abusive language. Use your brain fella and try and maintain a degree of intelligence.

It seems absolutely nailed-on that a person holding the hammer subsequently becoming emp is fundamentally part of the program. It's not an 'exploit' such as porting though keep doors to get an advantage as has happened prior. People who exploit such types of programming GLITCHES get what they deserve. Poor or ill-thought out base mechanics like Volendrung need to be addressed in a patch update if they are indeed been judged to not run as intended, and a full set of guidelines re-published.

Very poor form in my book to try and demonize a player when a person is simply enjoying the game they paid for and receiving the buffs they have worked hard to earn. Simply because you are frustrated shouldn't give you the right to be judge, jury & executioner.

thegreat_one

you need to be in 1st place to get EMP. Whoever picks up the hammer is not set in stone.

If a faction says "Hey, Let so and so pick it up because they have a group that knows how to use it" if that happens to be the 1st place player it is NOT a exploit. Just a faction who is on the same page.

Ad used the hammer a couple of nights ago to retrieve their scrolls. That's all they did with it, I have no issue with that.

Zos, The hammer was not tested, nor was it implemented well. It seems like it was put in the game not to be refined to an level acceptable by most players.

Just a "Here ya go, Deal with it" and that is the attitude of a development team who is on the last stages of life for a game.

Example, the hammer only spawns in 3 places. They put several other spawn points that are not used. ( yet NPC's are spawned, which zos has blamed lag on only to add more?!)

Now, All any faction needs to do is send one player to these spots. EP has gotten the hammer from BEHIND AD gates several times.

Will it be looked at? yes.

Fixed? Highly doubt it.