New moon acolyte bugged?

KramUzibra

I run agility with weapon damage enchants and a shackle breaker sword for the 129 wd that's a total of 330 and my total weapon damage is 3330 when I switch to new moon acolyte I should get 588 weapon damage that's an extra 258 weapon damage but instead I'm loosing weapon damage. I went from 3330 to 3295. Pls help I'm so confused

Contaminate

You have to have the full five piece for the bonuses and you mentioned Agility jewels and double Shackle swords so I’m assuming you replaced your jewels and weapons. So have you replaced the Weapon enchants on your NMA jewels? That would explain the drop in weapon power.

Have you replaced a sword with any other weapon type? Swords have a passive that boosts weapon damage. Are the quality levels of your new gear the same as the gear you replaced? Or are they lower/higher? There’s a lot than can affect your ending damage numbers.

The numbers found on eso info sites says the set only gives 481, over 100 lower than what you’ve written here.

blee88

Contaminate wrote: »

You have to have the full five piece for the bonuses and you mentioned Agility jewels and double Shackle swords so I’m assuming you replaced your jewels and weapons. So have you replaced the Weapon enchants on your NMA jewels? That would explain the drop in weapon power.

Have you replaced a sword with any other weapon type? Swords have a passive that boosts weapon damage. Are the quality levels of your new gear the same as the gear you replaced? Or are they lower/higher? There’s a lot than can affect your ending damage numbers.

The numbers found on eso info sites says the set only gives 481, over 100 lower than what you’ve written here.

2 piece bonus from NMA is 129 weapon and spell damage. Swords don't boost weapon damage, they boost damage done.

KramUzibra

Heavy Bloodspawn- shoulder and helm
Medium Bone pirate- chest, gauntlets, belt, boots and pants
Agility- jewls
Master- bow
Shackle nirnhoned great sword

3330 weapon damage

Heavy Bloodspawn- shoulder and helm
Medium Bone pirate- chest, boots
Bone pirate- jewls
Medium New moon- belt, gauntlets and pants
Master- bow
New moon nirnhoned greatsword.

3295 weapon damage

KramUzibra

Contaminate wrote: »

You have to have the full five piece for the bonuses and you mentioned Agility jewels and double Shackle swords so I’m assuming you replaced your jewels and weapons. So have you replaced the Weapon enchants on your NMA jewels? That would explain the drop in weapon power.

Have you replaced a sword with any other weapon type? Swords have a passive that boosts weapon damage. Are the quality levels of your new gear the same as the gear you replaced? Or are they lower/higher? There’s a lot than can affect your ending damage numbers.

The numbers found on eso info sites says the set only gives 481, over 100 lower than what you’ve written here.

The only difference are a couple pieces of armor being purple instead of gold

KramUzibra

On paper I should have more weapon damage with new moon

tsaescishoeshiner

Weapon Damage enchants on the Bone Pirate jewels?
Shackle and New Moon greatswords are the same quality (color)?
Testing them both from the same bar (greatsword)?

If you have Combat Metrics, there should be a panel to screenshot your whole gear loadout

GOLD Agility + Shackle 2-piece: 335 Weapon damage
GOLD New Moon: 129 + 481 = 620
3330 - 3295 = 35

So you're missing under 320 weapon damage (since some things are not gold) which is about exactly 2 weapon damage enchants (depending on enchant quality)

I know you already did some of this math. Just curious

Contaminate

My theory is also a difference in jewelry enchants. It’s one of the easier things to miss when changing out gear

Merlin13KAGL

I haven't checked the full build, but you should have ~275 more on the 2H bar with the new setup vs the old, assuming you have the same enchants on jewelry as before.

You show the completed 5 pc passives when you hover over the bar?

You can also try taking a piece off and then re-equipping. Sometimes the tooltips don't register properly, plus, you'll also see the potential change by hovering over the new piece vs the old.

Throw the bone pirate belt back on, leaving everything else the same. Then swap back and forth between the NMA greatsword and the Shacklebreaker. Your WD shouldn't change, as the 3 piece (2+3) of NMA should match the 2pc Shackle one for one. (This takes the 5th pc NMA out of the equation temporarily.)

After that, but the NMA belt back on and swap weapons back and forth. Should be a difference of ~352.

If you really want to drive it home, add your Agility jewelry back in place of Bone Pirate, should gain another ~209.

Since BP has no +WD stats, it's got to be elsewhere.

(I assume your weapon skill bars are the same in both setups, correct? Passive combo changes can make things like this hard to find. Empty your bar entirely to eliminate any of that.)

Taleof2Cities

Would be a lot more helpful if you can post stats screenshots of both setups, @KramUzibra ... or better yet screenshots of both setups with Superstar add-on if you're on PC.

KramUzibra

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Weapon Damage enchants on the Bone Pirate jewels?
Shackle and New Moon greatswords are the same quality (color)?
Testing them both from the same bar (greatsword)?

If you have Combat Metrics, there should be a panel to screenshot your whole gear loadout

GOLD Agility + Shackle 2-piece: 335 Weapon damage
GOLD New Moon: 129 + 481 = 620
3330 - 3295 = 35

So you're missing under 320 weapon damage (since some things are not gold) which is about exactly 2 weapon damage enchants (depending on enchant quality)

I know you already did some of this math. Just curious

Both swords gold, two agility rings are purple and the new moon armor is purple

Contaminate

KramUzibra wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Weapon Damage enchants on the Bone Pirate jewels?
Shackle and New Moon greatswords are the same quality (color)?
Testing them both from the same bar (greatsword)?

If you have Combat Metrics, there should be a panel to screenshot your whole gear loadout

GOLD Agility + Shackle 2-piece: 335 Weapon damage
GOLD New Moon: 129 + 481 = 620
3330 - 3295 = 35

So you're missing under 320 weapon damage (since some things are not gold) which is about exactly 2 weapon damage enchants (depending on enchant quality)

I know you already did some of this math. Just curious

Both swords gold, two agility rings are purple and the new moon armor is purple

But the enchants on the jewels are what’s important here because the different in expected vs actual weapon power is pretty close to two missing jewelry enchants.

JimmyJuJu

There are non-obvious passives everywhere across all classes and skill lines - like Fighter's Guild for example. The only way to get a reliable test is to clear your bars, mundus buff, food buff, and probably CP points. Then cross-check all your enchants on both sets to make sure they are the same. If that all checks out and there is still a difference, there might be a problem.

KramUzibra

Okay I got butt naked and put on a gold nirnhoned greatsword and my weapon damage was 2044. If the set was working I should get 588 weapon damage when I put on new moon but instead I only got 300 which put me at 2344. The set isn't giving me all the weapon damage it says it is.

KramUzibra

My new moon great sword is nirnhoned and purple and the 3 prices of medium new moon armor doesn't affect the weapon damage thru passives since I only have 3 peices

virtus753

KramUzibra wrote: »

My new moon great sword is nirnhoned and purple and the 3 prices of medium new moon armor doesn't affect the weapon damage thru passives since I only have 3 peices

If your New Moon nirn greatsword is purple and you’re comparing it to a gold non-New Moon nirn greatsword, you’re losing out on quite a bit of damage just because of the color change. In the neighborhood of 200 damage (203 base, iirc, but it might be modified by other things).

OG_Kaveman

Pictures op, pictures, we need more information.

devilsTear

I think it's the difference between the purple and gold greatsword.

KramUzibra

devilsTear wrote: »

I think it's the difference between the purple and gold greatsword.

The difference between gold and purple is 240 weapon damage? I'll check when I get home I just didn't want to gold out the sword of the set was bugged

Kuratius

KramUzibra wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

I think it's the difference between the purple and gold greatsword.

The difference between gold and purple is 240 weapon damage? I'll check when I get home I just didn't want to gold out the sword of the set was bugged

Yes, as long as you put your weapons into the right slot. There's lots of bloody noobs who put nirnhoned onehand weapons into their offhand slot and lose 85 % of their weapon damage.

Dagoth_Rac

KramUzibra wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

I think it's the difference between the purple and gold greatsword.

The difference between gold and purple is 240 weapon damage? I'll check when I get home I just didn't want to gold out the sword of the set was bugged

At CP160, purple greatsword is 1332 damage and gold greatsword is 1571 damage. This gap is probably even bigger if dealing with nirnhoned.

JimmyJuJu

I was curious about this potential issue so I tried this last night. Crafted up a full set of purple Heavy, Medium, and Light body pieces (no weapons). I mixed-and-matched and I got spell and weapon damage where I expected it. I did get a bigger bump when I slotted all medium armor but I remembered about the medium armor "Agility" passive.

My other set was Spriggans with a gold, nirnhoned maul on front bar and gold, nirn/sharp maces on back bar.

In any event, just using body pieces worked "as expected" on my Bosmer stamden.

The Superstar addon will give you a nice summary of your build if you want to post it here. I think we are all interested to know if there is some obscure bug with this set you have uncovered in your specific setup.

Thanks!

virtus753

KramUzibra wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

I think it's the difference between the purple and gold greatsword.

The difference between gold and purple is 240 weapon damage? I'll check when I get home I just didn't want to gold out the sword of the set was bugged

Per UESP's Build Editor, a gold New Moon Acolyte nirnhoned greatsword is 1806 damage, while a purple one is 1518. That's a difference of 288.

Probably explains the gap between the 588 you expected and the 300 you got.