Which veteran DLC dungeon is most difficult to complete?

Grianasteri

As the title suggests, I am interested to know what the community feels are the most difficult dungeons to complete, and crucially, why? Once you have voted please do give your reasons in a comment below.

Note that there is a max of 10 poll options (which frankly is too low), so I have taken the executive decision to exclude several dungeons on the basis of my own experience. If you feel a dungeon warrants a mention, please do highlight it in your comment below as well. For the same reason, I took Blackrose prison out as well, its a bit different from the usual dungeon format anway, though I recognise it is challenging.

MartiniDaniels

Frostvault

Because lasers are buggy as hell

maxterhex

Frostvault

and Marselok

maxterhex

Frostvault

p.s. of course, if we talking about HM

mocap

despite OP didn't state what group we talk about, i suggest it's PUG.
WIth PUG, any dungeon could be impossible.

Grianasteri

Frostvault

maxterhex wrote: »

and Marselok

That's interesting, I didnt find Lair Of Maarselok to be particularly difficult in the context of these dlc dungeons, I farmed it recently with a few pugs (which is why I excluded it). Just goes to show, different folk experience content differently and likely for different reasons.

But yeah, screw that Lazer boss in Frostvault lol.

ayu_fever

Depths of Malatar

i avoid dlc dungeons on vet because they are just too hard unless i REALLY need something from those crazy places

i have only completed imperial city prison, white gold tower, cradle of shadows, and depths of malatar so i can only speak on those. i have not attempted the others because the thought of vet dlc dungeons spikes my blood pressure.
of all those, malatar was the hardest no doubt about it! it took over 4 hours to get through it but i wasnt giving up because i needed the meridia skin since she is my all time favorite elder scrolls character.
i refuse to go back to it.

when the meridia motif unlocked, i swiped the card on it because aint no way im grinding that dungeon!

im not calling for nerfs to the content because i know my limits and stay in my lane.
dlc dungeons on normal is plenty for me!!!

Grianasteri

Frostvault

mocap wrote: »

despite OP didn't state what group we talk about, i suggest it's PUG.
WIth PUG, any dungeon could be impossible.

True, I am thinking about pugs but pugs are so random you dont know what youre going to get, so more than this I am asking generally with all things considered which dungeon folk feel is most difficult.

On a personal front, I have been attempting to pug vet Frostvault for several weeks, no one can do it. Its both funny and intensely frustrating (Ive done it once ages ago as a healer with guildies).
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maxterhex

Frostvault

Grianasteri wrote: »

maxterhex wrote: »

and Marselok

That's interesting, I didnt find Lair Of Maarselok to be particularly difficult in the context of these dlc dungeons, I farmed it recently with a few pugs (which is why I excluded it). Just goes to show, different folk experience content differently and likely for different reasons.

But yeah, screw that Lazer boss in Frostvault lol.

in HM Marselok you need huge coordination between ppl, like in rat race in HM FV.

Rexy18

Easiest to hardest (whole dungeon without hardmode):
ICP
WGT
RoM
CoS
FH
SP
FL
MoS
BF
FV
MF
LoM
MHK
DoM

Easiest to hardest (hardmode alone):
ICP- no different to non-hardmode
WGT- no different to non-hardmode with high DPS
RoM- same as above
CoS- can die in labyrinth if you're unlucky and land on the side with 4 exits and the first 3 are closed
MoS- pretty straightforward as long as everyone has some sort of speedbuff and/or CC removal and knows when to dodge fire spit (through addons or otherwise)
FH- execute phase can be quite tricky with low DPS
BF- positioning is key here, without it the fight is twice as hard due to lava. The boss can be quite a strain on the tank without a healer
DoM- same as above, depending on where the boss is tanked. If at the very edge to avoid wall, there's no way to avoid the heavy attack and your health must be full/high to survive it. If the boss is walked around the area, it'll get buffed when crossing the wall. DDs should have decent health
FL- never understood why people vote this as the hardest, just be aware of your surroundings at all times and plan ahead where you want to cross the ghost wall. Don't push the DPS too hard and deal with the colossi one by one
SP- like BF, positioning is key here, even more so. Killing the adds on one side and moving to the other side makes it slightly easier (since the geyser doesn't move)
MF- quite a mechanic-intensive fight but not so bad when followed correctly. If everyone is assigned their role at the start, it makes it easier. The boss can be quite a strain on the tank without a healer
LoM- the mechanics aren't that difficult but do require high co-ordination and there is little room for error. With all the adds spawning, the seed mechanic and the boss moving, this fight can get quite lengthy. Ideal if a mag DD can slot purge so the tank has easier magicka management
MHK- a lot of people say this boss is easy but I've always (and still do) find the execute phase tricky as DD with the number of adds at once (though being a stam DK and popping corrosive makes it easier)
FV- by far the most difficult dungeon fight in the game, requires excellent co-ordination and communication downstairs as well as movement upstairs on phase 3. The defile makes this fight very difficult for the tank in a 3 DD group

(assuming 3 DD group)

Varana

Frostvault

Definitely Maarselok.

phileunderx2

Frostvault

Frostvault because lasers. Sharks with freaking laser beams on their heads.

BlissfulDeluge

Fang Lair

Excluding the hard modes, I want to say Fang Lair or Frostvault. Both have very difficult side bosses that are needed to complete them. Fang Lair has the menagerie, where you need to be on point with the senche interrupt and avoid the boom-boom wolves. Frostvault has the laser room.

These bosses are the main pug killers, imo. Other than that, veteran DLC dungeons are pretty forgiving so long as you have the skill/DPS for them.

Grianasteri

Frostvault

So, Frostvault with 44%, that is quite significant... which to be honest is what I suspected and was the main driver for my creating the poll.

Personally, I completed it last night with one of my tonks, a long time after first doing so with a healer shortly after it first came out. I had been trying for several weeks with pugs and a few premades. So to say I am happy would be an extreme understatement ;-)

Apart from that bloody lazer boss that most folk are all too aware of, the dungeon has a number of other pain points.

The 4th boss, (after the lazers), the tank has to position themselves perfectly or die, this takes practice, even for experienced tanks. It can be a nightmare. The final boss is actually fairly easy but for one thing, the tank has to survive INSANE amounts of damage. It was a shock to me as of course I had only ever completed it in the distant past with a healer.

Screw you Frostvault. lol

Aliyavana

Frostvault

Marselok

Asardes

Frostvault

Frostvault because of buggy animations/telegraphs at Vault Protector. Many players also seem to have really bad reflexes, get one shot by spheres they seem incapable of killing despite their supposedly high dummy parse DPS. The ice mage boss is kinda bugged as well - unclear Ice Atronach telegraph for tank - but at least there deaths are easier to recover from.

Lair of Maarselok because of difficult fight (for some groups) at the strangler room - many players can't focus the stranglers and kill them fast enough, group wipes to trash. Also some don't block the unrelenting force shout from the dragon, despite clear and persistent telegraph. Again, probably too many hours spent slapping the dummy, instead of actually playing the game.

In the last few months I've had a really hard time finding groups for DLC dungeons, even within my ex PVE guild, and when I find, thy played as bad as randoms in 4/5 cases - the reason I left it. Even PUGs I manage to recruit of trade guilds seem way worse than before for some reason. I mean not only sub-par DPS, but also inability to follow clear explanations.

So overall dungeons are difficult first because players are bad, and second because they're bugged; the latter only affects maybe no-death/triple achievement runs since it doesn't appear consistently.

Ysbriel

Frostvault

And it’s just the laser area that is a pain, sometimes they even get you when you were behind the shield

AbysmalGhul

They're all easy to complete. The lag just makes some of them annoying sometimes.

beadabow

Frostvault

Frostvault's a real pain, and the lasers can ruin a good run.

Bobby_V_Rockit

White Gold Tower

I’m allergic to one shots, so they are all equally impossible for me...

Aznarb

If I'm with friend, none of them is hard.
In pug Frostvault and Moon Hunter keep are horrible especially on the 2 last boss when DD don't understand they need to slow down dps..

That said, Frosvault is still my favorite DG to run.
Love Moon Grave fane too, funny mechanic.
But both of them have horrible HM.

Frostvault seem to have a big rng part and Moon Grave is a nightmare since sustain nerf when DPS need to heal the healer to remove the debuff.

PrimusNephilim

Scalecaller Peak

I voted Scalecaller Peak because its my nemesis, I've not attempted Vet-Frostvault so I'm unable to comment on that but after seeing the voting results....(holy chit man) I'll make sure I read up on mechanics plus I'm currently farming False God.

vibeborn

Fang Lair

For me it was Fang Lair. I've only tried it once (as a tank) but that shalk made me want to never do it again

I do also agree with those who voted Frostvault too

Asardes

Frostvault

vibeborn wrote: »

For me it was Fang Lair. I've only tried it once (as a tank) but that shalk made me want to never do it again

I do also agree with those who voted Frostvault too

Look at your feet, then when the circle is almost full, roll dodge. Once the shalks spawn on you, CC them (easy for DK using talons, if another class you can use Time Freeze, Blockade of Frost or other skills), then run them around so they don't catch you and apply the debuff. They die after about 10s if I'm not mistaken. Or you can simply ask one of the DDs to damage them so they die earlier. But the latter is a bit risky since the boss has very little HP and you can push him into the next crystal phase before the current one is finished.

JanTanhide

March of Sacrifices

Crap, I think I selected the wrong one. LOL. Frostvault was the toughest for me. The rest were pretty straightforward but a few did take some time.

SkyMagpie

Frostvault

I have all challengers done except FV because that dungeon is just unfair, those lasers are so buggy and unfair and I wouldn't dream of ever PUGing that, even with a premade group and voice chat we still couldn't coordinate the crazy random laser %

vibeborn

Fang Lair

Asardes wrote: »

vibeborn wrote: »

For me it was Fang Lair. I've only tried it once (as a tank) but that shalk made me want to never do it again

I do also agree with those who voted Frostvault too

Look at your feet, then when the circle is almost full, roll dodge. Once the shalks spawn on you, CC them (easy for DK using talons, if another class you can use Time Freeze, Blockade of Frost or other skills), then run them around so they don't catch you and apply the debuff. They die after about 10s if I'm not mistaken. Or you can simply ask one of the DDs to damage them so they die earlier. But the latter is a bit risky since the boss has very little HP and you can push him into the next crystal phase before the current one is finished.

Thanks for the tip Maybe there's hope after all that I will be able to finish it without dying so many times as I did

Asardes

Frostvault

vibeborn wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

vibeborn wrote: »

For me it was Fang Lair. I've only tried it once (as a tank) but that shalk made me want to never do it again

I do also agree with those who voted Frostvault too

Look at your feet, then when the circle is almost full, roll dodge. Once the shalks spawn on you, CC them (easy for DK using talons, if another class you can use Time Freeze, Blockade of Frost or other skills), then run them around so they don't catch you and apply the debuff. They die after about 10s if I'm not mistaken. Or you can simply ask one of the DDs to damage them so they die earlier. But the latter is a bit risky since the boss has very little HP and you can push him into the next crystal phase before the current one is finished.

Thanks for the tip Maybe there's hope after all that I will be able to finish it without dying so many times as I did

Non HM is quite easy there. HM is really hard though.

idk

There is a thread that was created just before this one that discusses which HM is most difficult which is where the real challenge often lies. It some good discussion so I am linking it.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/500813/most-difficult-hard-mode-of-last-2-years/p1

Ilision

Fang Lair

I find that Fang Lair is difficult.

I think in most cases may be all are in their own way, especially if you have to wipe multiple times so that the rest of the group understand the mechanic.

What I do not understand is how many people do not care for the mechanic!

starkerealm

Frostvault

Because Finn's Electric Sandwich Shop (Vault Protector) takes no prisoners. Gah, that dungeon!