Request to Lower Style Page Price at the Impressario (poll)

marius_buys

The event is very short and lowering the opal style page price to 1 event ticket per page would go a long way to reduce the negativity about ending up with incomplete sets.

5 days and 15 event tickets is not enough to obtain four full opalstyle sets. 15 tickets only allow the purchase of 3 out of 28 style pages.

[Edited title for rules violation.]

molecule

Servers will collapse as usual, then Zos will extend it by a week as an apology.

Plenty of time

PizzaCat82

I voted yes only if we can only get the styles once a day.. If they drop from normal reward boxes I don't think we'll have a problem getting them in time.

molecule

marius_buys wrote: »

of 3 out of 28 style pages.

Where are you getting 28 from ?

I thought it was 4 monster styles - 2 pieces each ( head and Shoulder ), 8 in total

Dalsinthus

molecule wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

of 3 out of 28 style pages.

Where are you getting 28 from ?

I thought it was 4 monster styles - 2 pieces each ( head and Shoulder ), 8 in total

There are also 5 styles of weapons and shields for each of the 4 monster sets.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

There are alternative methods of aquiring the items and the crownstore is a thing so very unlikely this will happen so as not to devaluation both their income and the sales market

Starlock

They won't do it.

At some point last year, some greed-infested higher up within $enimax decided to transform our in-game events into yet another ploy to manipulate players into the cash shop. They are not going to do anything that upsets this unless they have to. The entire point of making these limited time events and then introducing the event currency in the cash shop is to shove people into that cash shop. Players are supposed to feel pressured to buy their way to winning these limited time rewards. Because of that, there is no way they are going to lower the cost of the style pages.

First we need the abolishment of event tickets. Their existence is what has made our events yet another tool in the cash shop racket. Without cash shop even tickets, the greed motive falls away. And then they could lower the cost of the style pages. They still might not with that change, though, if the idea is for event items to feel special or to be a reward for active participants. I mean, that clearly isn't the intention now when you can buy your way to winning them, but it could be the point of it again.

molecule

Dalsinthus wrote: »

molecule wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

of 3 out of 28 style pages.

Where are you getting 28 from ?

I thought it was 4 monster styles - 2 pieces each ( head and Shoulder ), 8 in total

There are also 5 styles of weapons and shields for each of the 4 monster sets.

Ah, Thanks

marius_buys

Starlock wrote: »

They won't do it.

At some point last year, some greed-infested higher up within $enimax decided to transform our in-game events into yet another ploy to manipulate players into the cash shop. They are not going to do anything that upsets this unless they have to. The entire point of making these limited time events and then introducing the event currency in the cash shop is to shove people into that cash shop. Players are supposed to feel pressured to buy their way to winning these limited time rewards. Because of that, there is no way they are going to lower the cost of the style pages.

First we need the abolishment of event tickets. Their existence is what has made our events yet another tool in the cash shop racket. Without cash shop even tickets, the greed motive falls away. And then they could lower the cost of the style pages. They still might not with that change, though, if the idea is for event items to feel special or to be a reward for active participants. I mean, that clearly isn't the intention now when you can buy your way to winning them, but it could be the point of it again.

Asking has worked previously
Sai Sahan & Race change token as example

redlink1979

They won't do it and, honestly, we don't really need it.

We have alternative methods: trading with friends/guild mates/ random on zone chat or acquiring them at traders.

Starlock

marius_buys wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

They won't do it.

At some point last year, some greed-infested higher up within $enimax decided to transform our in-game events into yet another ploy to manipulate players into the cash shop. They are not going to do anything that upsets this unless they have to. The entire point of making these limited time events and then introducing the event currency in the cash shop is to shove people into that cash shop. Players are supposed to feel pressured to buy their way to winning these limited time rewards. Because of that, there is no way they are going to lower the cost of the style pages.

First we need the abolishment of event tickets. Their existence is what has made our events yet another tool in the cash shop racket. Without cash shop even tickets, the greed motive falls away. And then they could lower the cost of the style pages. They still might not with that change, though, if the idea is for event items to feel special or to be a reward for active participants. I mean, that clearly isn't the intention now when you can buy your way to winning them, but it could be the point of it again.

Asking has worked previously
Sai Sahan & Race change token as example

I don't know what this Sai Sahan thing is, but the race change token thing they did only because the backlash of NOT doing it would have been more severe and even then they still handled it in a way that screamed greed-motive.

Few have raised a fuss about how our events have been retooled into manipulative ploys to shove people into the cash shop. The backlash isn't there like it was with the racial changes. No backlash means no financial incentive to change it. They won't do it.

Araneae6537

So long as the style pages are trade- and sell-able, I don’t see a problem. Especially for newer players like myself it’s nice to be able to get some gold for event drops. Plus, it’s not like you need all to complete a motif or outfit; they are alternate styles so many would just choose the ones they actually like and sell/trade the others.

Delpi

Those colors are an abomination, ugly as hell. No problem for me xD

Gnome_Saiyan

redlink1979 wrote: »

They won't do it and, honestly, we don't really need it.

We have alternative methods: trading with friends/guild mates/ random on zone chat or acquiring them at traders.

This. I didn't buy a single Wyrd style page. Or Dremora page, for that matter. After a while, my guildies and I were just giving them away to each other by the handful.

redspecter23

Gnome_Saiyan wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

They won't do it and, honestly, we don't really need it.

We have alternative methods: trading with friends/guild mates/ random on zone chat or acquiring them at traders.

This. I didn't buy a single Wyrd style page. Or Dremora page, for that matter. After a while, my guildies and I were just giving them away to each other by the handful.

To be fair, this is a bit different. Without needing to do anything else, a player would easily get all wyrd pages in multiples just running the event normally. This time the math seems to indicate that you can get maybe a quarter of the weapon pages through normal play partly due to the event being so short. If the drop rate on weapon pages in standard boxes is extremely low, there will be little chance of getting a full set just through normal play. This will have the effect of massively inflating prices on weapon style pages which is either good or bad depending on how you want to look at it.

The reason wyrd pages were essentially given away at the end was that players completed their own sets with ease and there is no reason for anyone to want a second page. It provides no benefit. So they are tossed into the economy for whatever price the market will accept. In the case of wyrd pages, that price was near zero by the end. We may have to see all the variables before knowing for sure how the undaunted pages will end up.

Goregrinder

Why stop at 1? Why not ask them to change the price to zero? Or pay YOU to take style pages?

max_only

Goregrinder wrote: »

Why stop at 1? Why not ask them to change the price to zero? Or pay YOU to take style pages?

Hyperbole.

CAB_Life

Just pick the ones you want the most—some are seriously weird looking with the purple colour (you can preview them already under collections). Rest you can farm and/ or open the wallet for event tickets.

Maggi12

can someone give clear, 100% explanation of how many of event styles are present in the game? 28 is too much for 5 days, there is something wrong... isnt it?

Dalsinthus

Maggi12 wrote: »

can someone give clear, 100% explanation of how many of event styles are present in the game? 28 is too much for 5 days, there is something wrong... isnt it?

I think it is too much for 4.5 days. Here's what I posted in another thread:

I mean in the very best case, you start with 12 vouchers and spend them on style pages at 5 vouchers each = 2 style pages and two left over vouchers.

You then do a dungeon each day including the morning of the 18th and get 15 more vouchers = 3 style pages.

You also get 5 boxes from these dungeons and if you’re lucky each contains a weapon page = 5 more style pages

Then you go to the undaunted vendor and spend your 200 keys you have banked for 4 shoulder styles.

Then you grind out the 4 dungeons with helm drops until you get all 4 helm style pages.

This leaves you with 18 out of 28 pages, assuming you were lucky and had no duplicates in your drops and had everything line up perfectly (banked keys and vouchers, good RNG). To complete these sets you’ll either need to buy 48! event vouchers from the crown store (12,000 crowns) or go to guild traders and buy them with gold. Given the numbers above these things are going to be expensive in the traders.

This is really player unfriendly. I normally like to collect these things but this is just too much. I don’t want to spend my whole weekend grinding this when it is not even something the can be reasonably completed.

Hard pass. I’ll get a few and accept that I can’t have everything.

After I posted this they added the article and we can get weapon drops very rarely from the final boss of any dungeon. So it is marginally better than I thought, but it is a lot for a weekend. We also don't know drop rates or voucher costs, but I am pretty confident that they will be low rates and 5 vouchers or 50 keys per style. If so this is nearly impossible with a weekend event without opening up your wallet.

https://youtu.be/Djlc6uHTVmY

Acrolas

Maggi12 wrote: »

can someone give clear, 100% explanation of how many of event styles are present in the game? 28 is too much for 5 days, there is something wrong... isnt it?

All 28 styles have been available at some point in the past year and a half, either in the game as dungeon rewards or as part of a crown store bundle. As the Opal variants cannot be dyed, mileage is going to vary.

The original Arms Pack bundles have to be in the crown store for the duration of the event. I'd say "should" but the rule is already clearly stated in the game.

"If you’re interested only in the regular version of the Masks, they will still drop on Veteran difficulty, too."

Kalik_Gold

No - keep something Rare/Limited.

marius_buys

Maggi12 wrote: »

can someone give clear, 100% explanation of how many of event styles are present in the game? 28 is too much for 5 days, there is something wrong... isnt it?

SOME INFO
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/501655/undaunted-celebration-2019-detail

Darkenarlol

i hope it is not our first reveal of new

"go buy tickets with crowns or gtfo"

system to obtain event collectibles?

Ragged_Claw

I have no problem with things being rare drops, but this seems intentionally designed so that you cannot complete the collection through participating in the event. Sure you can buy them from guild traders, but I can guess that the prices will be extremely high and will stay that way, unlike previous events where we're all drowning in pages by the end. My concern is that going forward, can we expect this from all our events? They are supposed to be fun, not a merciless grind followed by shelling out real money for digital tat. Of course this is designed to funnel people into the crown store, otherwise they would increase the ways to get pages. One box a day can contain a weapon style, and with my luck each of them will be the same one.

All that said, I think these are pretty crumby rewards anyway, I've already got most of these styles (except the weapons) and wouldn't be seen dead in them, even in garish colours. But it would be nice for them to tone down the monetization just a tad, be a bit less obvious about it perhaps.

Oh and I wanted the pets back from last year too

wolfie1.0.

The weapon sets when they are in the crown store sell at 2500 crowns for the whole set of weapons the same amount of crowns in event tickets gets you 2 of the weapons. This stinks.

Mr_Walker

Look on the bright side, you'll save money on the helms, as most of them are hideous.

Grandma

molecule wrote: »

Servers will collapse as usual, then Zos will extend it by a week as an apology.

Plenty of time

this, but

not every event should have you be able to get every possible cosmetic in the event unless you're super sweaty hardcore. You can still get those drops from dungeon completions they're just rarer. You can put the effort in, you just want more reward for using tickets in a lazy manner. why? If every style page cost 1 ticket there'd be no point in getting drops from them, you could just get all of them in a day or two without any effort. there'd be no market for them. nobody would farm them.

virtus753

Acrolas wrote: »

Maggi12 wrote: »

can someone give clear, 100% explanation of how many of event styles are present in the game? 28 is too much for 5 days, there is something wrong... isnt it?

All 28 styles have been available at some point in the past year and a half, either in the game as dungeon rewards or as part of a crown store bundle. As the Opal variants cannot be dyed, mileage is going to vary.

The original Arms Pack bundles have to be in the crown store for the duration of the event. I'd say "should" but the rule is already clearly stated in the game.

"If you’re interested only in the regular version of the Masks, they will still drop on Veteran difficulty, too."

None of the 28 opal styles has been available before; they’re all new this event. And none of the original styles seems to be available for tickets, including heads and shoulders, unless I’m misunderstanding the announcement. There seems to be no way to get the original weapon styles this event, only the new opal weapons (from boxes) and both opal and original heads and shoulders (from the respective vet dungeons and coffers).

While I agree that the *logic* of the tooltip for the masks dictates that the arms packs return to the Crown Store for the event, keep in mind that every promise made in game is subject to being walked back or changed as suits ZOS. They’ve demonstrated this repeatedly. If it is not in Marketing’s plans to rerelease the original weapon packs, we just won’t see them this event. I hope we do, for those who missed out originally for one reason or another, but I’m not optimistic, especially as they were not mentioned in the Crown Store announcement. I would be happy to be wrong.

marius_buys

max_only wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

Why stop at 1? Why not ask them to change the price to zero? Or pay YOU to take style pages?

Hyperbole.

Why stop at a hyperbole, why not go abstract? ;D

Araneae6537

Ragged_Claw wrote: »

I have no problem with things being rare drops, but this seems intentionally designed so that you cannot complete the collection through participating in the event. Sure you can buy them from guild traders, but I can guess that the prices will be extremely high and will stay that way, unlike previous events where we're all drowning in pages by the end. My concern is that going forward, can we expect this from all our events? They are supposed to be fun, not a merciless grind followed by shelling out real money for digital tat. Of course this is designed to funnel people into the crown store, otherwise they would increase the ways to get pages. One box a day can contain a weapon style, and with my luck each of them will be the same one.

All that said, I think these are pretty crumby rewards anyway, I've already got most of these styles (except the weapons) and wouldn't be seen dead in them, even in garish colours. But it would be nice for them to tone down the monetization just a tad, be a bit less obvious about it perhaps.

Unless these style pages won’t be tradeable, I see it as retaining their value, making them rewarding even if you already have or don’t even want a particular style. That seems to me a good thing. If they aren’t and you can only find them in very limited fashion or buy them directly from ZOS, then I would agree it’s monetization. It’s not like your outfit will be incomplete if you don’t collect them all — you can’t wear them all at once, obviously. Wouldn’t most people just focus on getting the ones that they like? That is what I plan to do, if indeed I like or am even able to use them (confused regarding the prerequisite). I’m a poor newb and I’ll be glad if I can sell some drops this event!