Why do Stamina classes hit harder?

yRaven

I still dream of Relequen for mages haha

Wing

siddique wrote: »

Is there a specific reason behind it? Or just the continuous nerfs to mag made it so?

Stamsorc hits harder than magsorc (this is absurd, it's a sorcerer. It should have more power to it's magic than stamina!)

Stamcro hits harder than magcro
And so on.

because all stamina does in ESO is damage.

magicka also double dips in healing as well as damage. the only thing close to a stamina healer / support is stam warden but good luck trying to bring that into vet content and being worth a crap.

also medium armor still retains a +%weapon damage passive. something ZOS has been removing from the game, and thus medium armor gains more damage for stacking damage. for instance my stam and magicka characters rocking the same setup have about 2k difference wpn / spl damage

however, as stated, all stamina does is damage.

most group comps in end game PvE or PvP are magicka based, sure there might be stam but this is most likely due to player preference then group optimization.

most if not all group support / healing / buff skills and sets are magicka based. most class based skills / heals are magicka based. if you want to help an ally its probably a magicka skill (the only good vigor morph is self only, were as regen is a multi target smart heal, etc.)

so yes, stamina can do damage.

but so does magicka, and magicka also does everything else.

siddique

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magsorc can burst harder than stam sorc. OP is mistaken.

However, burst won't help you fight a 180million hp dragon. So yeah, everything isn't necessarily pvp.

WildRaptorX

I think it’s because magic get the advantage of range. Bow also has the same damage as a one handed weapon, instead of a 2h. I believe the staves would be the same as the bow/1h

GreenhaloX

Class doesn't dictate what hits harder or how much dps your toon makes. It is the user/players. It is the the skills and set they are using for their toons' build and using effective rotations and buffs.

siddique

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Class doesn't dictate what hits harder or how much dps your toon makes. It is the user/players. It is the the skills and set they are using for their toons' build and using effective rotations and buffs.

I would disagree. The same player with the same skill can hit harder on their stam builds than on their mag ones. At least that's the general view of how things are.

Even guild requirements ask for higher numbers if you are stam.

Vlad9425

Mag has shields and can do Damage from range safely away from many mechanics and damage while stam has to get up close and personal putting themselves at more risk. In PVP classes like Magplar and Sorc still have burst that is on par or in some cases superior than that of many Stam classes.

StaticWave

I've eaten 8k crit frags from magsorcs, 10k crit bow procs from magblades, and watched my HP go from 100 to 40 in 4 seconds against a magplar. Meanwhile my stamsorc in a FULL damage build (5.7k wd, 32k stam) barely hits 6.5k dizzy crits against light armor targets, so idk what you're talking about bro.

sproattt

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magsorc can burst harder than stam sorc. OP is mistaken.

Magsorc can burst harder than Stamblade, verified by someone that has issues with the healing matriarch provides; you cant burst down shields n heals.... Healing outright outweighs damage.

Where's my off balance and stun gap closer? That crits and negates any resistance.

sproattt

Class balance though right?

BooPerScOOper

yRaven wrote: »

I still dream of Relequen for mages haha

And I dream of Siroria for stam

Luckylancer

All stam veapon skill lines are in shambles, pressing F for their losses and people call the game Stamina online. Another one thinks stamina can heavy atack more with non-ranged not-aoe heavy atacks. We shall call here skooma forum.

Stebarnz

closer the range harder the hit, if you have to get to melee you should hit harder! any other way would be stupid!

Grandma

1. continuous nerfs to mag
2. sets. long story short; relequen, lokkestiiz, etc. whereas magicka BIS is literally 3+ years behind stams [magicka version of VO]
3. reduced cost because you use stamina for other stuff therefor somehow that justifies stamina costing 50% less
4. all magicka morphs are utility based. all stamina morphs are pure damage boosts AND utility
5. melee somehow means you should do more damage because you put yourself at risk, even though they're now going out of their way to make melee easier and safer.
6. stamina now has better group off healing than mag

the only thing magicka has over stam is shields, and (SOMETIMES) Range, but now bow-bow builds are popular so that's barely even a point. [vAS leaderboards are turning stamina due to bow/bow, cloudrest will soon too i imagine]

Wing

Grandma wrote: »

1. continuous nerfs to mag
2. sets. long story short; relequen, lokkestiiz, etc. whereas magicka BIS is literally 3+ years behind stams [magicka version of VO]
3. reduced cost because you use stamina for other stuff therefor somehow that justifies stamina costing 50% less
4. all magicka morphs are utility based. all stamina morphs are pure damage boosts AND utility
5. melee somehow means you should do more damage because you put yourself at risk, even though they're now going out of their way to make melee easier and safer.
6. stamina now has better group off healing than mag

the only thing magicka has over stam is shields, and (SOMETIMES) Range, but now bow-bow builds are popular so that's barely even a point. [vAS leaderboards are turning stamina due to bow/bow, cloudrest will soon too i imagine]

1: the nerfs have had no bias
2: niche sets listed for PvE raid endgame, and even then debatable, no stam vicious death, no stam major courage, etc.
3: hyperbolic number
4: flat out lies, the majority of stamina class morphs are the BASE skill just converted to stamina, ZOS commented on as much. the only reason a claim of "utility" could even exist is because they are getting additional effects compared to the base skill.
5: hearsay argument, though in the past there were raid encounters that blatantly favored / encouraged ranged combat, if by the ability to make encounters engageable by players in melee combat constitutes stamina favoritism. . .that's silly.
6: and any semblance of credibility any other point might have had just evaporated, you should have led with that so we could have ignored the rest of your post right off the bat.

Shanehere

Are you talking in the sense of PVE or PVP? What exactly are you drawing this from?

Regardless, this patch has actually been one of the more balanced between stamina and magicka. PVE DPS potential across all classes are parses within 1-2k of each other, with the exception of Stamina Necro, which is a bit higher than the pack.

SoLooney

I dont know about pvp but stam should rightfully be hitting harder than mag

Mag has shields and can play range, besides mag dk

Stam has to play melee with no wards

If stam hit lower than mag, there would absolutely be no reason to run stam in end game pve, so let's not walk down that road