Dungeon Challenge Method

soundillustrations

We have normal.
We have veteran.
Then we only have veteran hard mode at the end.

This makes little to no sense.

Why not instead, in veteran we had an option to make it normal-veteran or hard-mode from the start? And at that, it should be a choice with all players agreeing, not some guy who zergs the scroll/banner/whatever activation then forcing the hard mode until the dungeon group whips out on the attempt.

This would provide a few things:

• Cohesion for the challenge of the dungeon
• Choice for the entire group for the hard content
• A distinct way to challenge players throughout the dungeon, not just the last boss that just gets like 2 extra mechanics and more health
• A way to to really 'earn your stripes' for some of these dungeons
• A way to refresh the base-game dungeons

RogueShark

No one wants to go in to prog a HM then not be able to clear non-hm if they can't.
When doing challenger achieves, sometimes groups will try for no death + speed and if it messes up halfway through, opt for HM instead. Being able to activate HM when you get there or not is really nice and convenient. Alternatively some pugs struggle with and cannot complete even non-DLC hm.

Being unable to turn HM off wasn't a good idea for Crag trials and wouldn't be a good idea for dungeons. If one jerk in a group repeatedly activates HM when the rest of the group doesn't want to, kick.

soundillustrations

The idea I had in mind would be a group voting system, or some sort of mechanic where more then 2 people in a 4 man, and more then 6 people in a trial would activate the hard mode aspect of the dungeon, either at the start or end.

The idea would be to add a level of challenge to the entire dungeon for people who already maxed it, or want something more to sink into.

AlnilamE

The way it is in the original dungeons is that the "Hard Mode" involves a specific mechanic change.

Like, in Fungal Grotto II, you have to kill the last boss without going into the dome. In Banished Cells 2, you have to kill the last boss while 3 Daedroth were out. In Elden Hollow 2, you read the tome and the healer tendrils show up as well, so that's what would determine if it was hard mode or not, not adding twice the health to the boss and calling it a day.

pod88kk

Cohesion for the challenge of the dungeon



There's the main problem right there, it's very hard to get cohesion with PUGs