Vicious Death - Set

Bullseyebudx

TexGod wrote: »

You don't seem like you have history with using the set. In coordinated groups things like harmony/dmg ultimates do the bulk of someone's health while the VD procs clean everyone up.

If you're already killing people with the harmony/dmg ultimates then what's the need for the VD procs?
Once a group loses critical mass you've basically won/you should be able to win at the point.

Are you saying people in zergs aren't good enough to go clean up the scraps after you ultidump or you're just too lazy?

It's a domino effect set what's there to understand you make it sound like its complicated?

TexGod wrote: »

If you don't think it's a zerg busting set you should look at some combat metrics related to bombing because you obviously have no idea how the set functions in cyrodiil. You just sound like a salty pug who gets farmed by more intelligent players. Sry

If you're already killing people then you can continue doing it without procs, VD just collects the widest area of effect kills but not necessarily the largest number of kills but why don't you enlighten us with your combat metrics I love data driven responses.

Why continue getting farmed? You die once and you're like oh yah theses guys are literally just running back and fourth in circles, generating ultimate and harmony bombing noobs plus grabbing whatever comes off the VD proc but this obviously requires a high degree of intelligence and skill to do correctly, so naturally you'd avoid players that just run around in circles in keeps.

Honestly players that do that usually fall apart like a house of cards when there's an even match of players, there usually only good when they're farming brand new players.

DUTCH_REAPER

OP I noticed your tool tip for VD is really low. Hit me up I’ll get those numbers up for you 😈

Goregrinder

Bullseyebudx wrote: »

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jadarock wrote: »

@p00tx
The OP isn't mine and in fact my very first response was a question of why to the op 😉

All I did later was point out that what @susmitds said is in fact incorrect

* Acting like you've never stood on a resource flag with 3 of your buddies and got bombed

This is partly why I make posts like this too because people go bananas blind with rage! All over absolutely nothing...and apparently forget who OP is and how to read, little things.

I don't know who OP is in the first place. Let me guess, one of the millions of other humans who play ESO?

Jimmy_The_Fixer

My favorite part of this whole discussion is this little gem.

Bullseyebudx wrote: »

I honestly don't have a preference either way that's why I made the poll.

What a brazen lie.

Spectacular.

WillhelmBlack

It's not supposed to proc off sieges anymore.

But it does.

That's its only problem.

Next!

idk

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idk wrote: »

UrbanMonk wrote: »

Not again...

Not only that but the choices in the poll have me thinking "whut?" Not sure it could get more convoluted that that.

Just pretend every instance of "Nerfed" is "Changed" instead.

I thought those two words were synonymous here.

But I mean... if you think a 4 option poll is complex, idk...

Changing the word nerfed to changes creates a completely different meaning. However, in these forums we would still read it as OP is asking for it to be nerfed because they died to a bomber who used this set.

Also, it is not the number of choices we have. It is the way it is worded that is convoluted. It diminishes the meaning and all we see is OP died to a bomber used this set.

Bullseyebudx

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

OP I noticed your tool tip for VD is really low. Hit me up I’ll get those numbers up for you 😈

Post pic of highest VD tool tip plz

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Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

My favorite part of this whole discussion is this little gem.

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Bullseyebudx wrote: »

I honestly don't have a preference either way that's why I made the poll.

What a brazen lie.

Spectacular.

Honestly I still don’t actually care if they leave it or change it, it won’t actually make a difference to how I play the game, I can live with it or without it so in that sense I don’t have a preference either way, the outcome is irrelevant to me which I guess I didn’t explicitly state.

I do however have an opinion about VD in general and how it effects the game, so technically not lying but you know who really cares.

Why would you think I didn't have any opinion about the topic of the thread lol...

[edited to remove baiting comment]

buttaface

jadarock wrote: »

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susmitds wrote: »

Stop zerging and you will never see it in action(unless you are the one blowing people up).

Do you really believe this or are you trolling?

On xbox na every single keep you take from DC ends with a bomb as you fix the inner door zerging or not.....

Switch into your Heartland/Swift gear before repairing doors or when forced to be close to a large group.

fred4

If anything, the range is so short compared to when it was introduced, it could use a slight buff to 5m.

Iskiab

It’s a really strong set. Who knows with ZoS, they said they nerfed fortified brass because it was popular and so many people wore it. I’m pretty sure more people wear vicious death.

xWarbrain

I hate the set.

That being said, leave it alone. Nothing needs to be nerfed. People need to get better.

technohic

susmitds wrote: »

Stop zerging and you will never see it in action(unless you are the one blowing people up).

Yeah can confirm I only see this when standing near squishies.

Katahdin

Very easy to not get killed by Vicious Death

DON'T STACK

Araviel2

We need more anti Zerg tools, not less.
Make it proc on Siege weapons again.

technohic

Araviel2 wrote: »

We need more anti Zerg tools, not less.
Make it proc on Siege weapons again.

Its actually used more often by large groups. Outside of that, it's only NB bombers for the most part. Still not really an issue if you dont stack with pugs

Sirvaleen

I died once because of that set. I didn't know about it, yet I knew about NBs using Proximity Detonation e.g., so no excuse there. It was deserved and it actually made me smile.. I find it fun to have multiple ways for players to kill me and that I have to look out for.

I don't understand why you had to add a weird "crystal ball" twist to your poll answers. How can you answer that seriously ? AFAIK, we have no way of knowing with certitude what is going to be nerfed or not. I don't understand the reason behind n°5 at all.

I do understand though that people rarely make that kind of threads when they are against an hypothetical nerf.
Might as well be upfront about it and avoid people calling you out on it.

Is Vicious Death OP ? IMHO, it performs exactly as it should and is so easily countered that I fail to see how it can be considered overwhelming.

Cheers.

Skoomah

Bullseyebudx wrote: »

Vicious Death Set

Learn to play buddy

Bullseyebudx

fred4 wrote: »

If anything, the range is so short compared to when it was introduced, it could use a slight buff to 5m.

It's very possible.

The set seems to over perform in small scale encounters but under performs in large scale encounters.
Before it was changed previously it probably just flat out over performed.
The goal would be to have it under perform against small groups and over perform against large groups.

I think increasing the radius should be substantially more beneficial over it's damage output but not everyone might see it that way.

I'd like to see the radius increased maybe even to 6m, the damage reduced by a decent amount to be honest, and the blast apply major defile for a good chunk of time maybe 6 sec at a minimum.

Some might see this as a nerf though so stand back.

Taleof2Cities

Bullseyebudx wrote: »

The set seems to over perform in small scale encounters but under performs in large scale encounters.
Before it was changed previously it probably just flat out over performed.
The goal would be to have it under perform against small groups and over perform against large groups.

I think increasing the radius should be substantially more beneficial over it's damage output but not everyone might see it that way.

I'd like to see the radius increased maybe even to 6m, the damage reduced by a decent amount to be honest, and the blast apply major defile for a good chunk of time maybe 6 sec at a minimum.

Some might see this as a nerf though so stand back.

Instead of changing the set radius and proc criteria ... what would happen if you just changed your playstyle to not small man with squishies or hang out near squishies?

Rianai

Don't think i ever got hit by that set while "smallscaling". This whole "it is op vs small grps" is nonsense.

Bullseyebudx

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Bullseyebudx wrote: »

The set seems to over perform in small scale encounters but under performs in large scale encounters.
Before it was changed previously it probably just flat out over performed.
The goal would be to have it under perform against small groups and over perform against large groups.

I think increasing the radius should be substantially more beneficial over it's damage output but not everyone might see it that way.

I'd like to see the radius increased maybe even to 6m, the damage reduced by a decent amount to be honest, and the blast apply major defile for a good chunk of time maybe 6 sec at a minimum.

Some might see this as a nerf though so stand back.

Instead of changing the set radius and proc criteria ... what would happen if you just changed your playstyle to not small man with squishies or hang out near squishies?

I have a really bad case squishyidice, it’s were sometimes your just playing an MMO game and sometimes other people; they just play around you.
How do I change this playstyle?

Taleof2Cities

Bullseyebudx wrote: »

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Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Bullseyebudx wrote: »

The set seems to over perform in small scale encounters but under performs in large scale encounters.
Before it was changed previously it probably just flat out over performed.
The goal would be to have it under perform against small groups and over perform against large groups.

I think increasing the radius should be substantially more beneficial over it's damage output but not everyone might see it that way.

I'd like to see the radius increased maybe even to 6m, the damage reduced by a decent amount to be honest, and the blast apply major defile for a good chunk of time maybe 6 sec at a minimum.

Some might see this as a nerf though so stand back.

Instead of changing the set radius and proc criteria ... what would happen if you just changed your playstyle to not small man with squishies or hang out near squishies?

I have a really bad case squishyidice, it’s were sometimes your just playing an MMO game and sometimes other people; they just play around you.
How do I change this playstyle?

I’m going to ignore the mild sarcasm for now ... and suggest you kindly reach out to other forum-goers on possible ways you can improve your build.

Because I’m guessing you wouldn’t have started this thread if you had died to VD only once or twice.

And you’ve put extra effort into making it clear you’re not Zerg surfing.

So, that leaves two options left:

1. Being cognizant of where the organized groups which carry VD players are ... and staying out of their direct line to you and squishies, or

2. Your build is lacking some defense elements.

So, I encourage you to post a screenshot of your build (or at least the defensive part of your build) so forum-goers can assist.

Bullseyebudx

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

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Bullseyebudx wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Bullseyebudx wrote: »

The set seems to over perform in small scale encounters but under performs in large scale encounters.
Before it was changed previously it probably just flat out over performed.
The goal would be to have it under perform against small groups and over perform against large groups.

I think increasing the radius should be substantially more beneficial over it's damage output but not everyone might see it that way.

I'd like to see the radius increased maybe even to 6m, the damage reduced by a decent amount to be honest, and the blast apply major defile for a good chunk of time maybe 6 sec at a minimum.

Some might see this as a nerf though so stand back.

Instead of changing the set radius and proc criteria ... what would happen if you just changed your playstyle to not small man with squishies or hang out near squishies?

I have a really bad case squishyidice, it’s were sometimes your just playing an MMO game and sometimes other people; they just play around you.
How do I change this playstyle?

I’m going to ignore the mild sarcasm for now ... and suggest you kindly reach out to other forum-goers on possible ways you can improve your build.

Because I’m guessing you wouldn’t have started this thread if you had died to VD only once or twice.

And you’ve put extra effort into making it clear you’re not Zerg surfing.

So, that leaves two options left:

1. Being cognizant of where the organized groups which carry VD players are ... and staying out of their direct line to you and squishies, or

2. Your build is lacking some defense elements.

So, I encourage you to post a screenshot of your build (or at least the defensive part of your build) so forum-goers can assist.

I don’t need build advice, my build works as it’s intended, if I want to hear what someone else had to say I’d just ask, much like I’ve done here with Vicious Death.

But hey thanks so much chief for your help.

I just made the thread because maybe...just maybe the set might be a little overpowered at times.

AMeanOne

Well, I've heard it all now.

idk

Bullseyebudx wrote: »

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fred4 wrote: »

If anything, the range is so short compared to when it was introduced, it could use a slight buff to 5m.

I think increasing the radius should be substantially more beneficial over it's damage output but not everyone might see it that way.

I'd like to see the radius increased maybe even to 6m, the damage reduced by a decent amount to be honest, and the blast apply major defile for a good chunk of time maybe 6 sec at a minimum.

This idea would clearly weaken a decent anti-zerg tool we have.

Players have a bad habit of just standing around a flag without a care and then complain about a set that killed them. You are in a war zone so standing their with targets over your head does not make sense. Hold block. Don't stack with a tone of other people on the flag as it takes only a few players to get the flag to turn at it's fastest rate.

Do what makes sense before asking for nerfs.

ZarkingFrued

I cant even understand why anyone would want to take away the pvp set that literally makes group battles make sense.. I dont even zerg, I dont use VD, I don't bomb. Still even the suggestion is just uneducated. Coming to the forums makes me want to uninstall this game, it's nothing but tattletales trying to get people banned, and whiners who want nerfs because they run one class and have no understanding the others. Just pathetic to spend your time begging for someone to make a video game easier for you to play

Iskiab

Well, people say they’ve never died to a VD proc, do you guys ever defend or attack keeps?

Spreading out is an option in most of cyrodiil but it’s keeps that funnel people into a small space. I’m not saying it should be nerfed, but if you haven’t been hit by a vicious death proc you haven’t been in cyrodiil much... or you’re a solo player who just trolls new players and never plays objectives. It is definitely one of the most popular sets in cyrodiil.

Victor_Blade

Stop zerging to make the set useless

Defilted

There is nothing wrong with VD. Also want to say I have never used it. I have been VD'ed many times and it is always our mistake that gets us killed.

jadarock

Victor_Blade wrote: »

Stop zerging to make the set useless

And there are a few of us telling you guys
you are wrong about the zerging part but where we do agree is that the set is fine and is working as intended 😉