Vicious Death - Set
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Bullseyebudx
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Vicious Death Set
Edited by Bullseyebudx on October 30, 2019 4:22PM Vicious Death - Set 124 votes
1. Vicious Death should and will be nerfed within next few patches.
2%
3 votes
2. Vicious Death should but won’t be nerfed within next few patches.
2%
3 votes
3. Vicious Death shouldn’t be nerfed but will be in the next few patches.
4%
5 votes
4. Vicious Death shouldn’t be nerfed and won’t be in the next few patches.
71%
89 votes
5. Vicious Death isn’t a PvE set!
19%
24 votes
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UrbanMonk✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not again...Urban.Monk
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Balance for the Sake of Balance is no Balance at all.15 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
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Jokes aside, I have absolutely no idea why any one in their right mind would want to nerf the only good anti-ball group set in game....
Small tip: Hold block & spread a little bit, when on flags at resources or keeps.16 -
Bullseyebudx✭✭✭The writing is already on the wall, settle down now.
The conversation is going to come up eventually.
I'm just curious to see where everyone stands at this point in an anonymous poll.
I honestly don't have a preference either way that's why I made the poll.0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stop zerging and you will never see it in action(unless you are the one blowing people up).12 -
UrbanMonk✭✭✭✭✭
✭Useless polls will be useless...
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Balance for the Sake of Balance is no Balance at all.1 -
p00tx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bullseyebudx wrote: »The writing is already on the wall, settle down now.
The conversation is going to come up eventually.
I'm just curious to see where everyone stands at this point in an anonymous poll.
I honestly don't have a preference either way that's why I made the poll.
Errr...this set has been around for a long time. The conversation only came up because someone posted a weird, semi-pointless post about it with accompanying equally odd poll. The set is fine and functions as intended, end of discussion.PC/Xbox NA
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Bullseyebudx✭✭✭Not again...Useless polls will be useless...
What's worse a useless poll or two useless posts about a useless poll? hmm...
Like I've already said though I don't have a stake in this.
I don't use the set outside specific combo builds, it's easy enough to avoid dying from, just play solo pretty straight forward. It's predominately used by players bombing with combo kills solo or in groups.
There are advantages and disadvantages to the set just like everything else.
Versus groups of people it's good, solo maybe not so much.
I'm just not sure what all the uproar here is guys, if it's a perfectly balanced set then surely you have nothing to worry about.0 -
Luede✭✭✭✭✭this set isnt strong, it's the weak player next to you who kill you. U should have a better positioning4 -
Dalsinthus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bullseyebudx wrote: »I'm just not sure what all the uproar here is guys, if it's a perfectly balanced set then surely you have nothing to worry about.
Are you new to the game? The devs of this game are pretty heavy handed about making changes, often to things that appear "perfectly balanced."
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ketsparrowhawk✭✭✭✭✭We need zerg busting tools. The is one of the very few that we have. No it doesn't need to be nerfed. In fact we need more of this kind of mechanic in the game to discourage ball grouping. I haven't been killed by this set since I was a wee baby EP zerg surfer. The threat that this set poses goes further and further down the better you get at PVP, and eventually you'll forget it even exists.1 -
p00tx✭✭✭✭✭
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Do you really believe this or are you trolling?
On xbox na every single keep you take from DC ends with a bomb as you fix the inner door zerging or not.....
So pay more attention. Everyone knows to be on alert if you stop to put a repair on a wall or door. Shield up and throw down an AoE or hit Inner Light between each repair to keep them from sneaking up on you. Also, don't stand next to role playing nooblets who obviously don't know anything about Cyrodil and probably have zero crit resists. They're what we like to call "VD Bait", and are the reason you get blown up. Common sense saves [imaginary] lives.Edited by p00tx on October 30, 2019 6:05PMPC/Xbox NA
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NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
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Do you really believe this or are you trolling?
On xbox na every single keep you take from DC ends with a bomb as you fix the inner door zerging or not.....
Keep ground dots down on the door and pay attention?2 -
Bullseyebudx✭✭✭
Not only that but the choices in the poll have me thinking "whut?" Not sure it could get more convoluted that that.
Just pretend every instance of "Nerfed" is "Changed" instead.
I thought those two words were synonymous here.
But I mean... if you think a 4 option poll is complex, idk...ketsparrowhawk wrote: »We need zerg busting tools. The is one of the very few that we have. No it doesn't need to be nerfed. In fact we need more of this kind of mechanic in the game to discourage ball grouping. I haven't been killed by this set since I was a wee baby EP zerg surfer. The threat that this set poses goes further and further down the better you get at PVP, and eventually you'll forget it even exists.
I really wouldn't consider this set a Zerg busting set to be perfectly honest, it's a bombing set the checks how many new PvP players you have in the group or if everyone is AFK. If anything this enables Zergs to be honest, if there's always people out bombing then players aren't going to group up and there wont be any opposing Zergs or Ball groups to counter them.
Oh but wait you can just use Vicious Death to counter that large zerg or ball group right? VD is its own check and balance which I think is an issue, but I think it promotes not playing with newer players in a group more than it acts as a counter to a large zerg that's literally steamrolling every small group it runs into.
If you have several people all bombing in a coordinated group I'm not sure how good VD would really be, a majority of the firepower is coming from the abilities and ults not the set proc, at that point VD should just be unnecessary so it shouldn't really matter in that scenario.
If the set dealt damage only to other players in your group for every member that dies regardless of location I might agree with you that it's a zerg busting tool.
So pay more attention. Everyone knows to be on alert if you stop to put a repair on a wall or door. Shield up and throw down an AoE or hit Inner Light between each repair to keep them from sneaking up on you. Also, don't stand next to role playing nooblets who obviously don't know anything about Cyrodil and probably have zero crit resists. They're what we like to call "VD Bait", and are the reason you get blown up. Common sense saves [imaginary] lives.
Dude... you can't control who stands next to you.
I've run into this problem in other games too, all the time, you have to deal with players that just don't know any better who give away your position, or mess something up, and you get screwed because they're just following you.
In this game that's usually okay, the more players the better, until there's a VD proc which I don't think is good.0 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭@p00tx @NBrookus
Why are you both assuming I have issues with vd?
I play a tanky necro healer and have zero issues with bombers. I've had so many people laugh at me keeping hots and buffs up at the door only to have a bomber appear and nobody dies😁 because I was anticipating dc's strategy of bombing doors.
The point of my previous post was to point out that you dont have to be "zerging" to be hit with vd and that's it
Edited by jadarock on October 30, 2019 6:52PM1 -
p00tx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't understand the point of your initial post then. Maybe you're new to the forums and don't understand how things work around here, but if you bring attention to a set, and in any way hint that it needs to be looked at, ZoS will glom onto that instead of the paying attention to the important things, and 'BOOM Baby!', the set is now useless. If you are able to take sensible precautions against people using the set, then others will be able to as well, and there is nothing to talk about here.PC/Xbox NA
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jadarock✭✭✭✭✭@p00tx
The OP isn't mine and in fact my very first response was a question of why to the op 😉
All I did later was point out that what @susmitds said is in fact incorrect
* Acting like you've never stood on a resource flag with 3 of your buddies and got bombedEdited by jadarock on October 30, 2019 7:29PM0 -
Heatnix90✭✭✭✭✭
✭Imagine making a poll for every single thing that yeets you off a resource/keep/outpost flag.2 -
NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You can always stand on the other side of the door to repair it.Fear is the Mindkiller1 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭Did any of you actually read that I dont have an issue with vd or are you just ignoring that and piling on taking what I said out of context?...smh
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Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bullseyebudx wrote: »
I'm just not sure what all the uproar here is guys, if it's a perfectly balanced set then surely you have nothing to worry about.
the uproar is because u created this poll, not because of the set itself lolAugust Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not only is this set perfectly reasonable as is, it is probably the best source of comic relief in cyrodiil. Not sure how many people still go there, but it's a pretty dreary place, and laughter is important.2 -
Bullseyebudx✭✭✭
This is partly why I make posts like this too because people go bananas blind with rage! All over absolutely nothing...and apparently forget who OP is and how to read, little things.
Honestly it's kind of sad that you can't even make a post on the forum in a moderate capacity to potentially have a discussion about something that might be a little polarizing.
God forbid there ever be a controversial topic on the forums with people that want to participate in it and have a meaningful discussion.
Once the zergs aren't around the bombing moves to smaller and smaller groups, where I don't really think it was intended to be used. People will still bomb you/insta kill combo farm with like 3 or 4 people, you don't even need to be on a resource.Imagine making a poll for every single thing that yeets you off a resource/keep/outpost flag.
Imagine making a poll like this for every set in the game!? People would start losing their minds! You know I might just have to do this guys. I know! Every week we'll have Bullseye's Controversial topic post until everyone can start behaving themselves.
the uproar is because u created this poll, not because of the set itself lol
I don't know about all that, if no one cared about the set then there wouldn't be any posts.
Maybe they think if they all keep saying we don't care about VD together it'll magically come true!Edited by Bullseyebudx on October 30, 2019 8:34PM0 -
NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭* Acting like you've never stood on a resource flag with 3 of your buddies and got bombed
In the event I get actually solo bombed, my usual response is chagrin I let my guard down, outright laughter, and a whisper to the bomber along the lines of "good one" if they got a bunch of people.
This set is mostly used by ball groups to amplify their ult bombs. A single player using it successfully gets a big thumbs up from me. There aren't many solo (not zerg surf) playstyles that truly are viable anymore. No need to continue beating on it.Edited by NBrookus on October 30, 2019 8:44PM0 -
TexGod✭✭✭Bullseyebudx wrote: »
Just pretend every instance of "Nerfed" is "Changed" instead.
I thought those two words were synonymous here.
But I mean... if you think a 4 option poll is complex, idk...
I really wouldn't consider this set a Zerg busting set to be perfectly honest, it's a bombing set the checks how many new PvP players you have in the group or if everyone is AFK. If anything this enables Zergs to be honest, if there's always people out bombing then players aren't going to group up and there wont be any opposing Zergs or Ball groups to counter them.
Oh but wait you can just use Vicious Death to counter that large zerg or ball group right? VD is its own check and balance which I think is an issue, but I think it promotes not playing with newer players in a group more than it acts as a counter to a large zerg that's literally steamrolling every small group it runs into.
If you have several people all bombing in a coordinated group I'm not sure how good VD would really be, a majority of the firepower is coming from the abilities and ults not the set proc, at that point VD should just be unnecessary so it shouldn't really matter in that scenario.
If the set dealt damage only to other players in your group for every member that dies regardless of location I might agree with you that it's a zerg busting tool.
Dude... you can't control who stands next to you.
I've run into this problem in other games too, all the time, you have to deal with players that just don't know any better who give away your position, or mess something up, and you get screwed because they're just following you.
In this game that's usually okay, the more players the better, until there's a VD proc which I don't think is good.
You don't seem like you have history with using the set. In coordinated groups things like harmony/dmg ultimates do the bulk of someone's health while the VD procs clean everyone up. If you don't think it's a zerg busting set you should look at some combat metrics related to bombing because you obviously have no idea how the set functions in cyrodiil. You just sound like a salty pug who gets farmed by more intelligent players. Sry
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