[OFF-TOPIC] Fallout 1st/ESO Plus

nafensoriel

Starlock wrote: »

nafensoriel wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

So Fallout 76 got the same ESO Plus we have, yet people and media are freaking out because of it. Why? I know F76 didn't start good, but c'mon. It's just an optional subscription service, cheaper than ESO Plus, does basically the same (they'll have a Craft Bag too, for example), and lets you play alone (lol? In an online game?). I really don't understand all those tantrum they are throwing.

While I wont go into the mechanics of ESO+ vs FO1st the main reason for the hate is because its in fashion.
Call it herd mentality or FOMO. Right now its the in thing to absolutely hate and dissect anything Bethesda does so any tiny failure on their part is suddenly a big deal when it really isn't.

Sucks but thats now a thing thanks to social media culture... Hate is the new norm.

No, that isn’t the main reason for the hate. If you believe that, you haven’t been paying attention. Probably not just to the issue with this latest travesty, but to the problems with the video game industry over the past console generation just in general.

Outer worlds has issues. No one cares because it's the golden child obsidian.
If the same game was launched with a Bethesda logo on it it would be torn apart for every single minor offence or bad design decision.

Don't pretend some self-righteous platform of "they are evil" and "I am good". They are just like EVERY SINGLE OTHER COMPANY SELLING GAMES minus maybe Nintendo. It's just flavor of the month to hate them more. If you think anything they do is different than any other gaming company I have some bottomland to sell you.

Starlock

nafensoriel wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

nafensoriel wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

So Fallout 76 got the same ESO Plus we have, yet people and media are freaking out because of it. Why? I know F76 didn't start good, but c'mon. It's just an optional subscription service, cheaper than ESO Plus, does basically the same (they'll have a Craft Bag too, for example), and lets you play alone (lol? In an online game?). I really don't understand all those tantrum they are throwing.

While I wont go into the mechanics of ESO+ vs FO1st the main reason for the hate is because its in fashion.
Call it herd mentality or FOMO. Right now its the in thing to absolutely hate and dissect anything Bethesda does so any tiny failure on their part is suddenly a big deal when it really isn't.

Sucks but thats now a thing thanks to social media culture... Hate is the new norm.

No, that isn’t the main reason for the hate. If you believe that, you haven’t been paying attention. Probably not just to the issue with this latest travesty, but to the problems with the video game industry over the past console generation just in general.

Outer worlds has issues. No one cares because it's the golden child obsidian.
If the same game was launched with a Bethesda logo on it it would be torn apart for every single minor offence or bad design decision.

Minor offense? Sorry, you truly do not understand the scope of what has gone on here. Many of us who recognize this scam for what it is couldn't care less what brand is involved. Of rather, the only reason we do care is because Bethesda WAS a brand we could trust to make good on its promises and treat it’s fans with respect. Instead, they blatantly lied and used community feedback given in good faith to basically scam us. Many stuck by this game because they believed Bethesda would stay on the right side of the line - something they expressed they were going to do - and supported the game IN SPITE of all of it’s issues. This move spits in the face of everyone who stood by them in ways that exceeded many people’s expectations (and not in a good way).

starkerealm

Starlock wrote: »

nafensoriel wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

nafensoriel wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

So Fallout 76 got the same ESO Plus we have, yet people and media are freaking out because of it. Why? I know F76 didn't start good, but c'mon. It's just an optional subscription service, cheaper than ESO Plus, does basically the same (they'll have a Craft Bag too, for example), and lets you play alone (lol? In an online game?). I really don't understand all those tantrum they are throwing.

While I wont go into the mechanics of ESO+ vs FO1st the main reason for the hate is because its in fashion.
Call it herd mentality or FOMO. Right now its the in thing to absolutely hate and dissect anything Bethesda does so any tiny failure on their part is suddenly a big deal when it really isn't.

Sucks but thats now a thing thanks to social media culture... Hate is the new norm.

No, that isn’t the main reason for the hate. If you believe that, you haven’t been paying attention. Probably not just to the issue with this latest travesty, but to the problems with the video game industry over the past console generation just in general.

Outer worlds has issues. No one cares because it's the golden child obsidian.
If the same game was launched with a Bethesda logo on it it would be torn apart for every single minor offence or bad design decision.

Minor offense? Sorry, you truly do not understand the scope of what has gone on here. Many of us who recognize this scam for what it is couldn't care less what brand is involved. Of rather, the only reason we do care is because Bethesda WAS a brand we could trust to make good on its promises and treat it’s fans with respect. Instead, they blatantly lied and used community feedback given in good faith to basically scam us. Many stuck by this game because they believed Bethesda would stay on the right side of the line - something they expressed they were going to do - and supported the game IN SPITE of all of it’s issues. This move spits in the face of everyone who stood by them in ways that exceeded many people’s expectations (and not in a good way).

What's legitimately funny, to me, about this is, look back a few years, and it would have been a complete 180. Bethesda was the untouchable golden child, and Obsidian was constantly being trashed for buggy, underdeveloped, releases.

zaria

Kaunas wrote: »

Its clickbait media. Truth is who doesnt play the game doesnt actually care. All the outlets are just cashing in on any disaster they can.. same with ESO when it launched, yet you cant find a single video of ESO today by the same people going "ok wait this game is decent now sorry".
Tl;dr stop consuming toxic "news and media" and play your games that you want without having to listen to random useless people on the internet "who did what and why you should hate them".

Fallout 76 has gotten a lots of hate, in the beginning this was because it was not an real fallout game.
To me it felt more like an cheap knockoff and it might be that they planned to, released way to early.
Then you got lots of bugs, sleazy monetization and as other says the private servers are not private.

In an game like Conan exile you can set up private servers with house rules enforced by game like not allowing siege of empty keeps.
Now if the private servers was private and allowed mods it might be an decent investment.

ESO+ was an continuation of the old sub, you get dlc for free and free crowns to buy cosmetic.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

starkerealm wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Of what I've heard, one of the main gripes with the whole ordeal is that they have asked for private servers for some time and now when they finally get them they are behind a paywall and can only contain a handful of people. Think it was like 8 or so.

Private servers were announced ahead of release as something that would be added after launch. Not something that would be gated off behind a subscription service at some point.

Also, Private servers aren't, actually, private. Anyone from your friends list can join you in your game, whether you want them or not. So, if you're someone who has a lot of people in your playlist, you can get people you may not even know popping into your "private server" you're paying money for.

Not sure, but if the architecture works the way I think it does, then their friends would be able to join them, and you have a game of five degrees of separation from trolls.

Not sure about the server population limit. Base game limit is 24 or 32, something like that.

Also, private server functions only prevent randoms from joining a server. It doesn't generate a new server. So you could (and people have) end up on a server that was already in use, with areas already looted.

That sounds even crappier.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

starkerealm wrote: »

What's legitimately funny, to me, about this is, look back a few years, and it would have been a complete 180. Bethesda was the untouchable golden child, and Obsidian was constantly being trashed for buggy, underdeveloped, releases.

Unless you're me. Never seen Bethesda as this great golden child a lot of others have and for a long time. I'm not a big fan of Skyrim despite so many claiming it to be amazing. It's not bad, but it's not amazing either. Their games has always been as buggy as any of Obsidian's and still contains bugs to this day but if feels like their quality has dropped severely. Also... I guess I will never truly forgive them for what they are doing to Fallout.

Obsidian (Including their former forms) also did and still make buggy games now and then, but for me they have always made up for it with bettering it, great writing and good rpg aspects. But I'm also an older RPG nerd so it feels like I'm quite tolerant towards bugs so they have to be very big for me to be bothered.
I have a shelf designated for rpgs that are as buggy as they are great.

nafensoriel

Starlock wrote: »

Minor offense? Sorry, you truly do not understand the scope of what has gone on here. Many of us who recognize this scam for what it is couldn't care less what brand is involved. Of rather, the only reason we do care is because Bethesda WAS a brand we could trust to make good on its promises and treat it’s fans with respect. Instead, they blatantly lied and used community feedback given in good faith to basically scam us. Many stuck by this game because they believed Bethesda would stay on the right side of the line - something they expressed they were going to do - and supported the game IN SPITE of all of it’s issues. This move spits in the face of everyone who stood by them in ways that exceeded many people’s expectations (and not in a good way).

You mean like every... single... other... developer?

Bethesda made a few screwups that, to be fair, wouldnt have caused the ruckus they did if it was blizzard or ubisoft.(read power armor crap). The rest was people filling in promises and features themselves and then blaming a company.

Point blank reality time. Bethesda didn't promise you squat. They said they were making an online FO game. They made an online fallout game. Sure it sucked. Sure it was buggy. That doesn't change the math that they provided exactly what they said. Any refunds or other crap they offered is simply them being nice and acknowledging that they banked on their name to sell crap. Activision did this for a decade with COD.

Scope? WHAT SCOPE? It's a voluntary in-game purchase of a single video game in a figurative SEA OF VIDEO GAMES.
There is no scope. It's not a movement. It's not a guy in a street killing puppies. It's exactly one company selling a product. Buy it or don't. Talking about "scope" for VOLUNTARY ENTERTAINMENT is exactly the definition of herd distress and FOMO saber-rattling. The entire FO76 issue(s) has had so much time devoted to it for something that has so little effect on our lives it's absurd.

Also news flash from an old fart. If you buy any product because of the historical track record of a company you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Judge the product and only the product.

Chicharron

CaptainVenom wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

first of all, this is an eso forum - if you want to discuss fallout 76 go to their forum or reddit.

Secondly WOW pal you are SO wrong on SO many levels its not even funny...

It's ok to disagree with me, but hey, you don't need to post such rude comment, you know?

I fail to see why the Nemesis comment is rude.

Alaztor91

lol monetization is far more aggressive here in ESO compared to F76. I guess hating on F76 or Bethesda in general is still the meme these days.

SirAndy

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

... Outer Worlds is launching tonight ...

Kiralyn2000

They should have just sold it as a "paid private server" service, like Conan Exiles/Ark/etc.

Rather than following the "f2p MMO subscription" model.

Just because it's an onlne & multiplayer game, doesn't mean that the people playing it (or thinking of playing it) were thinking about it in an MMO frame of reference. Which means that attaching an MMO-style subscription to it just came across terribly.



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re: Outer Worlds.
Even if it weren't a 1-year Epic exclusive (/sigh), I doubt I'd be getting it. The preview article on Kotaku (which was very positive about it) made it sound depressing and awful - I get enough muddy politics/labor strife/etc IRL, I play games to escape that.
(It also reminded me about how I went through FO:NV trying to Be A Good Guy and Help Everyone, only to be presented with an ending slideshow full of 'well, you suck and everyone suffers". NV is the only one of the 1st-person Fallouts that I haven't replayed.)

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