Maintenance for the week of November 25:
• [COMPLETE] PC/Mac: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – November 25, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 7:00AM EST (12:00 UTC)
• Xbox: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – November 27, 6:00AM EST (11:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EST (14:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – November 27, 6:00AM EST (11:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EST (14:00 UTC)
• [COMPLETE] PC/Mac: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – November 25, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 7:00AM EST (12:00 UTC)
• Xbox: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – November 27, 6:00AM EST (11:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EST (14:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – November 27, 6:00AM EST (11:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EST (14:00 UTC)
R.I.P. PC EU
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CiliPadi✭✭✭✭I think it is about time ZOS ditch the megaserver concept and go with regional servers.
It's very clear that it is only so much you can stuff into a pork bun.3 -
RefLiberty✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think it is about time ZOS ditch the megaserver concept and go with regional servers.
It's very clear that it is only so much you can stuff into a pork bun.
If the issues is with the Finder going bonkers with the database and calling DB queries that are killing server resources, and they said exactly that is the issue, than you will solve nothing, smaller servers will die even quicker. The issue needs to be resolved, and server power allocation and management is up to them.0 -
CiliPadi✭✭✭✭RefLiberty wrote: »If the issues is with the Finder going bonkers with the database and calling DB queries that are killing server resources, and they said exactly that is the issue, than you will solve nothing, smaller servers will die even quicker. The issue needs to be resolved, and server power allocation and management is up to them.
There's a limit to everything, keep adding resources and you will run out of it eventually. It's the Mega Server design concept is the flaw.0 -
billp_ESO✭✭✭✭What seems curious is that the NA server has very few of these problems. Why is it the EU server every time?
My guess is that ZoS has decided to milk profits, and not invest what is likely to be a big chunk of money to upgrade the EU server.
If both kept going down, it would point to code, or infrastructure. But one runs fine, the other doesn't. ZoS has to know why, and the reason they won't fix it.3 -
Saltisol✭✭✭✭What seems curious is that the NA server has very few of these problems. Why is it the EU server every time?
My guess is that ZoS has decided to milk profits, and not invest what is likely to be a big chunk of money to upgrade the EU server.
If both kept going down, it would point to code, or infrastructure. But one runs fine, the other doesn't. ZoS has to know why, and the reason they won't fix it.
Can we assume they run the same code on US and EU, if so are they fixing something that isn't broke one the US server ?1 -
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✭✭✭✭Each patch
Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |
Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |
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billp_ESO✭✭✭✭What seems curious is that the NA server has very few of these problems. Why is it the EU server every time?
My guess is that ZoS has decided to milk profits, and not invest what is likely to be a big chunk of money to upgrade the EU server.
If both kept going down, it would point to code, or infrastructure. But one runs fine, the other doesn't. ZoS has to know why, and the reason they won't fix it.
Can we assume they run the same code on US and EU, if so are they fixing something that isn't broke one the US server ?
I've never heard that the code base on EU was different than NA. That would in itself be a big problem.
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Ydrisselle✭✭✭✭✭
That would mean PC NA should have these problems too, and they have it way less times than us...1 -
Bennisphinx✭✭What seems curious is that the NA server has very few of these problems. Why is it the EU server every time?
My guess is that ZoS has decided to milk profits, and not invest what is likely to be a big chunk of money to upgrade the EU server.
If both kept going down, it would point to code, or infrastructure. But one runs fine, the other doesn't. ZoS has to know why, and the reason they won't fix it.
They said that this happens due to the EU server having to handle a lot more players (and not only players from Europe to begin with) during peak hours than the NA one.
I agree that that's not an excuse though. Either they can add resources to the existing EU server and fix the performance problems that way, or they'll just have to abandon/rethink their whole megaserver conept and add a second EU server.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Ydrisselle wrote: »
That would mean PC NA should have these problems too, and they have it way less times than us...
They said, last year that while PC EU had these issues because of numbers, PC NA was beginning to reach the same population density. Over the last week similar issues have begun to affect PC NA too.
It's an issue of numbers of players. PC EU has more players playing for longer as it covers a far greater population than PC NA
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Leteney✭✭✭I really love how devs updated us on undaunted event situation (more info soon - really? again?), the costume exploit (costume disabled atm - pf) and acknowledged some issue with a dungeon - all three around an hour ago.
But here, this topic ? Totally ignored. No acknowledgmnet, no explanation, nothing.
Just a red banner that went up 5h ago and nothing changed since then.
Really shows how far up their priority list EU server issues are.Edited by Leteney on November 18, 2019 10:56PM1 -
Ydrisselle✭✭✭✭✭Ydrisselle wrote: »
That would mean PC NA should have these problems too, and they have it way less times than us...
They said, last year that while PC EU had these issues because of numbers, PC NA was beginning to reach the same population density. Over the last week similar issues have begun to affect PC NA too.
It's an issue of numbers of players. PC EU has more players playing for longer as it covers a far greater population than PC NA
I know that, but I'm not sure the only culprit is the spaghetti code. If it was then we could kill PC NA every time we log on there instead of PC EU, and it simply doesn't happen frequently...2 -
gp1680✭✭✭✭✭Malem_Benign wrote: »
I’d spend real money, crowns, bitcoins, or trade stock options for a couple of those shirts.4 -
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✭Malem_Benign wrote: »
I got dibs on a "Thanks For Your Patience" T-Shirt!
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FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ydrisselle wrote: »Ydrisselle wrote: »
That would mean PC NA should have these problems too, and they have it way less times than us...
They said, last year that while PC EU had these issues because of numbers, PC NA was beginning to reach the same population density. Over the last week similar issues have begun to affect PC NA too.
It's an issue of numbers of players. PC EU has more players playing for longer as it covers a far greater population than PC NA
I know that, but I'm not sure the only culprit is the spaghetti code. If it was then we could kill PC NA every time we log on there instead of PC EU, and it simply doesn't happen frequently...
I'm sure none of us really know what the culprit is.... but it is triggered by the significantly greater density of PC EU players. There are more of them playing over a greater length of time than on PC NA.
I would imagine that if each of them decided to play on PC NA at the same time, the result would be equally catastrophic.2 -
scorpius2k1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ydrisselle wrote: »Ydrisselle wrote: »
That would mean PC NA should have these problems too, and they have it way less times than us...
They said, last year that while PC EU had these issues because of numbers, PC NA was beginning to reach the same population density. Over the last week similar issues have begun to affect PC NA too.
It's an issue of numbers of players. PC EU has more players playing for longer as it covers a far greater population than PC NA
I know that, but I'm not sure the only culprit is the spaghetti code. If it was then we could kill PC NA every time we log on there instead of PC EU, and it simply doesn't happen frequently...
I'm sure none of us really know what the culprit is.... but it is triggered by the significantly greater density of PC EU players. There are more of them playing over a greater length of time than on PC NA.
I would imagine that if each of them decided to play on PC NA at the same time, the result would be equally catastrophic.
This is exactly WHY a Megaserver is a BAD idea, in theory, it's a cool idea but obviously not a good thing for ESO. Create "shards" aka realms with a maximum amount of users much like every other MMO. Something that has been proven to work very well. Doing so would also fix that annoying phasing issue where you always have to port to your invisible friend standing right next to you. Probably wont happen though.🌎 PC/NA
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JamuThatsWho✭✭✭✭✭
✭RefLiberty wrote: »
Just needs to be a hamster and it'd be perfect.
But seriously, what the hell have they done to the EU server over the last two months?@JamuThatsWho - PC EU - CP2000
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Blackbird_V✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ok I'm getting Error 301's now. Anyone else, or is it just me?Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.0 -
freespirit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Me too, got booted can't relog
When people say to me........
"You're going to regret that in the morning"
I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!0 -
chess1ukb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Wow the server toppled over after giving everyone (that was logged in) the next daily reward. #That is how ropey the servers are. Something that basic. Pathetic.Ireniicus
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Blackbird_V✭✭✭✭✭
✭freespirit wrote: »Me too, got booted can't relogAlienoutlaw wrote: »301 error just now
I give up. I just give up now......Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.0 -
Blackbird_V✭✭✭✭✭
✭chess1ukb16_ESO wrote: »Wow the server toppled over after giving everyone (that was logged in) the next daily reward. #That is how ropey the servers are. Something that basic. Pathetic.
Yo Ireniicus! Strangely enough if you press F for help page when you get error, the whole help page is down also. So this is definitely server-sided in my opinion, albeit unprofessional.Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.0 -
chess1ukb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »chess1ukb16_ESO wrote: »Wow the server toppled over after giving everyone (that was logged in) the next daily reward. #That is how ropey the servers are. Something that basic. Pathetic.
Yo Ireniicus! Strangely enough, if you press F for help page when you get an error, the whole help page is down also. So this is definitely server-sided in my opinion, albeit unprofessional.
Yes, the hiccup was 100% server-side. It has to be server-side for everyone to be affected? I was just noting it happened moments after the daily reward popped up which would back end be a server-side job running. The job likely caused the server to have its moment despite it being midnight when 80% of the active player base is offline.Ireniicus
GM - Tamriel Traders Guild (TTG); Divine Deals; Allmart & The Alchemist Emporium0 -
Blackbird_V✭✭✭✭✭
✭chess1ukb16_ESO wrote: »Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »chess1ukb16_ESO wrote: »Wow the server toppled over after giving everyone (that was logged in) the next daily reward. #That is how ropey the servers are. Something that basic. Pathetic.
Yo Ireniicus! Strangely enough, if you press F for help page when you get an error, the whole help page is down also. So this is definitely server-sided in my opinion, albeit unprofessional.
Yes, the hiccup was 100% server-side. It has to be server-side for everyone to be affected? I was just noting it happened moments after the daily reward popped up which would back end be a server-side job running. The job likely caused the server to have its moment despite it being midnight when 80% of the active player base is offline.
Eso is a flawless game
Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.1
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