there are less and less players online

Sailor_Palutena

Cirantille wrote: »

I am actually starting to wonder is it that worse comparing to other games? Because this is the first and only mmorpg I played.

I really like the tes world and alliance war aspect of the game but it is starting to getting on my nerves. I am trying to activate powers and can't, I even get a warning "This person is busy"

Yes, this person is me and I am supposed to be busy fighting.

If you don't activate my shield, I die. If I get stunned by my own streak I die. It is supposed to stun the enemies! Not me!

Letting alone getting non-laggy pvp server, right now can't even log in to do my daily crafting writs because PC-EU server is broken.

I am really annoyed at this point.

Just don't go WoW.

nafensoriel

Delparis wrote: »

what's happening ???

darthgummibear_ESO

The 4 guilds I'm in always have a bunch of people online. If you are talking about Elsweyr, not that many people are doing dragons now because ESO dragons are inherently stale. Once the initial honeymoon period wore off(less than a month after launch) most people I've talked to just seem to think they aren't worth the hassle.

Gilvoth

i wonder if thread starter is talking about the hours most of us are asleep ? during main populations offline hours ?
when im playing i see more people now then i did 2 years ago.

ccfeeling

Thanks U24, my pve guild is dying.

DarcyMardin

I’ve noticed the drop-off in population, too. Especially on the EU server. For that matter, I haven’t spent much time online myself, either, lately. I’m really sick of the constant changes the devs are making.

WldKarde

I still enjoy the game, but I'm getting sick and tired of seeing my friends play less and less due to these stupid changes!
Adapting to changes in an MMO are par for the course...
But at the rate ZOS is pumping them out makes me want to sue them for whiplash!!!

What say you ZOS?

Since I can't enjoy your game as much with my friends because you can't seem to make up your freaking mind...

I'd be willing to discus an out of court settlement for a hefty amount of GEMS...since you've overvalued those as well.

I say "most" of this tongue in cheek...

But I'm still quite disgusted with your lack of direction as of late!

P.S. And don't get me started about your latest "gift" on Monday

P.S.S. Just ignore me. As long as the Crown Store is turning a profit...at least I can always just log in and fish...
At least until they make bait a Crown Store purchase.

P.S.S.S. Coming "Soon (tm)" Once you have 1 Master Angler on your account you can make ALL your characters have that title for a "small" fee...

Oh FFS...I think I need some scotch now because I'm starting to speak "ZOS Logic".

Just shoot me now PLEASE!

But please don't wait until Monday...otherwise your skills might not have the power to finish the job...
or you may lack the sustain to do so.

Morgul667

Game performance and zos lack of care make me lose interest in this game

Strider__Roshin

My guild dipped out when they buffed DoTs
and Templars to a stupid degree, as well as unnecessarily added cast times to ultimates. I think only one of my guild mates still play the game. Everyone else switched to BDO.

RPGplayer13579

Grandma

i'm part of 2 mid-high range raiding guilds [usually progressing vhm content in one, progging regular vet in another] and compared to my other guilds, there's a huge drop of online players at any given time. the overworld is populated about the same, and my other guilds have the same number of players. A lot of that mid-high tier pve playerbase though is dwindling due i imagine to the whiplash pve changes combined with the staleness of the recent dungeons and lack of interesting pve content in the future.

they'll probably come back again. the same thing happened around the morrowind expansion, and around ... I wanna say the patch before summerset. and they always swung back to active.

Jaraal

Delparis wrote: »

in my 5 guilds (except the trading one) there are usually +50 online players at every time.
this afternoon i was trying to up a vSS farm, looked at my pve guilds for members to form a group and found that there is only 10-15 online.
this is on my 4 pve guilds, no joking ...

Yep, seeing the same thing in my 5 guilds. Less than half the usual number of players on, for the last couple months. In-game friends are on less frequently or quitting altogether, too.

xeha_arwen11

Delparis wrote: »

what's happening ???

A long string of poor decisions by ZOS as well as garbage in the playerbase. The trade system is corrupted, there's bots ruining things, even new content is cookie-cutter and not inspired and people get bored of it exceedingly quickly. RNG is garbage and searching for exciting items is awful and not fun because of the MASSIVE amount of work involved. I'd rather do a part-time job than this game most days lately.

Toxicity is at an all-time high. It is literally everywhere and especially at end-game PvP and PvE. Dungeons are like being drowned in hatred. Why play a game where people are horrible and vicious to you when you could be playing another game and having actual fun? I already wrote very long posts on the trading, botting, and toxicity issues.

Cheating is rampant. It ruins PvP. But it's in PvE and other places, as well. There's some sort of effort to keep the fact that this game is overrun by toxicity and cheaters quiet. It's bizarre.

The crazy swings in combat changes are awful. No one listens to anyone but a select few streamers and ultra "elite" players who play the game as a dead-serious job. This causes almost all changes made to the game to be based off of them, ruining the gameplay for 95 percent of players and making it annoying for the remainder. Just because 1 percent of the playerbase has excessively high DPS, this is causing ZOS to nerf the dps of most classes HEAVILY. That means most people in this game will now have large portions of end game be no longer playable. So they leave.

These constant large nerfs and extreme changes make it so that a player cannot keep one rotation or one armor-jewelry-weapon set for long. They worked very hard on it, they golded everything. They wasted their gold because of the nerfs and major constant changes. Now they have to change everything, and the majority of the playerbase does not have the resources to gold everything out or even purple it constantly. No point in playing when things are so unstable and unfun.

Extreme monetization of everything. It's always been the worst thing about this game and others like it, but it's worse now.
That lovely 300 crown GEM pocket watcher. That lazy reskin of the senche raht mount. 500 crown GEMs. No thank you. No thank you. The constant reskins of the dragon hunting horses, each super exorbitant. It's so bad now even some of the younger generation that sadly grew up with microtransactions are rightfully complaining about the horrible prices on the crown store.

Bugs. Bugs bugs bugs. Everywhere. When Elsweyr dropped, the game was broken for a long, long time. More broken than many had ever seen it. I think this is a combination of people being sick and tired of horrible performance and bugs and others being heavily turned away by the influx of issues Elsweyr brought, etc. ZOS has fixed a few things since then. But it took way too long, and there are still so many serious issues with the game.

So yeah. This is my opinion on possibly why there are less and less players on ESO.

ZeroXFF

BigBragg wrote: »

Been playing other games that have less bugs (like many skills that have been broken for years, so good luck with a timely Blast Bones fix), better server performance, and aren't constantly shift the ground under my feet to make balance changes. Right now ESO is just a log in simulator for me. Kind of sad, honestly. Love the game, but just struggle to enjoy it.

This. That's what login rewards turn a game into for people who don't really enjoy the game any more, but haven't yet had the nerve to quit.

mocap

"less and less players" forum threads since 2015. With such logic there is probably only me left in this game.

Still same amount of people in Craglorn and any capitals especially primetime. If any event then it's zerged by players. And i didn't account PvP.

PC EU though, don't know about PC NA and consoles.

LadyAstrum

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

slicksteezin wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Ah, another useless doom & gloom thread.

Right on time though ... we usually get one once per week

Ah, another useless comment defending against a doom & gloom thread.

Yes, people are leaving ESO in droves. It's nothing more than delusion if you choose to believe otherwise .

The game could be down to 500 concurrent players, and the fanboys/girls would still be here to tell you there is nothing to worry about. That's how MMO forums have always been.

People attach undying loyalty to a game as if it's somehow interwoven with their very identity. I've seen people argue a game was doing well within weeks of it being shut down. I don't expect that to be the case with ESO.

But on topic, I see plenty of people even when I go to older areas, but I can't comment on dungeons, trials etc since I'm not active in those areas at the moment.

Tigerseye

Burn-out from the event, plus waiting for new content, mainly, I think?

There are issues that need to be tackled, of course, but I think they are the main reasons it's particularly quiet, at the moment.

uFuqinwitme

mocap wrote: »

"less and less players" forum threads since 2015. With such logic there is probably only me left in this game.

If you continue this ideology and Zenimax continues their path, there may actually be a time where you are the only person who legitimately wants to play the game in its current state.

mocap

uFuqinwitme wrote: »

If you continue this ideology and Zenimax continues their path

it's not an ideology, just dry facts.

Bugs, poor server perfomance, stupid PvE vs PvP balance was in ESO since 2014. So what? You just woke up? Or it's annual dose of hatred you need to spend on this forum? Don't worry, it will pass, just like before.

Tigerseye

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

The 4 guilds I'm in always have a bunch of people online. If you are talking about Elsweyr, not that many people are doing dragons now because ESO dragons are inherently stale. Once the initial honeymoon period wore off(less than a month after launch) most people I've talked to just seem to think they aren't worth the hassle.

The rewards should be better for them.

A slight chance at a purple furnishing plan, which is probably not even worth very much at the moment, is not enough to make up for the fact that you earn less doing them than you do doing most other content.

Jaraal

mocap wrote: »

Still same amount of people in Craglorn and any capitals especially primetime. If any event then it's zerged by players. And i didn't account PvP.

Of course. The game creates multiple instances once any given zone instance is full. There could be 20 instances of Craglorn running right now, with, for example, 50 players each.... for a total of 1,000 players. If there were only 10 instances live, there would be 500 players, but you'd still only see 50. If there were only two instances, you'd still see 50 players. Zone population is not an indicator of total game population at any given moment.

Guild and friends activity and total guild sales are much better barometers of actual player activity..

redgreensunset

Strange. I can barely move for all the people in the game. My three guilds are more active than ever in spite of it being just before a new release (and just after an event) which is always a dead time in any mmo.
*shrug*

If this is about pvp I haven't a clue. I don't play that and don't want to. The pve side seems as active as ever aside from a few things when I'm on. (PC/EU for context as this may be platform or server specific)

Schattenfluegel

madman65 wrote: »

Thinking about quitting myself, I go and build a character that`s suppose to do 40K dps and get to trial boss and look over, I`m doing 15k. That really pisses me off because I put so much work into these characters and practice on dummies then, BAM all that work for 15k. JUST PISSES ME OFF! REALLY THINKING OF QUITTING!

You have to think about your playstyle...DoTs arent that OP anymore on PTS.

Razzledazzle_dar

The Planemeld is nigh, Molag Ball wins, gg

D0PAMINE

Waffennacht wrote: »

I've been playing less.

The less viable PvP builds the less I wanna play

Same. I don't even have another game to play either. I'll likely just work on music more now. I can run multiple synths with their own effects all in realtime with few under runs, yet I cannot ride to a keep or stay at one for an AP tick.

bearbelly

rotaugen454 wrote: »

There ARE...

Also...

tahol10069

Just looking around you in the game isn't a reliable way to judge if game has more or less players than before. You simply can't know because of how the engine works.

This game is based on having instances that are created on fly to adjust to the amount of players on line in any given time, and you can't see how many instances (or copies if that is easier to figure out) the engine has generated. When one instance is full, new one is generated and players are now funneled there. You can have 2 instances or 10 instances of some area running, but there is no way for you to see it. You see only your own instance that might be full, or might be a new instance that was just generated and have only 10 players in it, until it is filled and again a new instance is generated.

SWTOR has the same system, but there you can actually check the amount of instances from the map and move to another at your will. ESO could've made the same (they are both loosely based on some version of Hero-engine), but for some reason they decided to not let the players move between instances or see how many there are on any given time.

I actually do believe that there are less players now than half a year ago. One comment about how much they have lost guild members is a good indicator of what I've been suspecting too. There are many reasons for why that might be:

- WOW classic
- Destiny 2 went free to play (personally I'm there right now and only log in to do writs) and has been a huge success.
- Multibidding has driven away people who already were on a fence.
- So fast changes in skills that people are getting a whiplash...
- ...which leads to wonder if developers are myopic or just incompetent or both, and I don't say this lightly.
- Performance issues

And then also people just get tired. There is always new players coming and old players going. Most people change games now and then, or have IRL stuff that is more important than any game.

mairwen85

@Delparis, let's just put it down to light attack weaving.

wesmacdon

*fewer and fewer

FierceSam

wesmacdon wrote: »

*fewer and fewer

Respect