Best Possible Premade BG Group

Iskiab

xeha_arwen11 wrote: »

When it comes to a broken system that puts pugs up against premades, the best possible premade is NO premade.

ZOS needs to get premades and pugs a different queue. The whole MMR system and premade fighting pug system is broken and terrible, ruining bgs. Premades are cheating when you're against pugs. Pure and simple. Anyone who does premades against pugs is just showing that they have no skill. They suck all fun out of the game for casuals, pugs, and serious players who don't want to cheat.

Premades against premades isn't cheating. That would be fine. Pugs against pugs is fine. Not talking about that. I stopped bgs a long time ago because of toxicity, other types of cheating and exploiting, and because the top was just premades farming pugs. I was 1st place in spite of the fact that I refused to be a part of a premade and was always thrown up against premades, but it's not fun in the slightest. 99 percent of people in-game who have talked to me about bgs have had nothing but complaints against premades farming pugs. Just get separate queues. Then bgs would actually be fun for almost everyone.

Yea, I agree. Before the protective and pirate smelly nerfs you could be tanky enough even as a solo queuer to beat premades. Tankiness means less coordination is required.

With damage up and defense down surviving vs 2 in no-CP is crazy hard. It makes people who run off more of a negative and coordination more important. Sucks to be a pvp guild, but with the game how it is yea I think BGs would improve if no premades are allowed.

The coordination and teamwork of a premade is stronger than any class combos. I still like seeing answers because I like seeing different opinions.

Bashev

Mag Pet sorc for heals and executes. Radiating regeneration
Mag Warden - Sustain DPS, Pulls, Radiating regeneration + Leaching vines
Mag DK - Burst DPS - Leap executes, Radiating regeneration
Stam warden/DK - Burst DPS - Executes

Adenoma

4x Magicka builds with overwhelming surge equipped. Probably 1x magwarden for utility heals/bursting with deep fissure, 1x magsorc for matriarch heals, encase, and kill-stealing with wrath as well as negate, 2x mag plat for utility heals, purge (one more specced towards healing and potentially with efficient purge, one more damage oriented).

Carry redundancy with ice staff and wall of elements for the back bar, potentially ritual of retribution for the DOT+HOT if you have someone purging. BRP resto in group for on-call major vitality. One magplar with the morph of repetence giving minor Magicka steal so you don’t have to single target elemental drain and you already have breach from deep fissure. Monster helms are TK and then grothdar on the rest.

Group has additional buffs of minor toughness, prophecy, and sorcery. Magplars run off-set utility with transmutation and SPC. You can rely on charged Frost staves for minor maim or have a DPS running wizard’s riposte, otherwise full damage with spinners+overwhelming.

Not sure if it’s feasible bar space-wise to put guard on.

Should get you far.

Iskiab

Adenoma wrote: »

4x Magicka builds with overwhelming surge equipped. Probably 1x magwarden for utility heals/bursting with deep fissure, 1x magsorc for matriarch heals, encase, and kill-stealing with wrath as well as negate, 2x mag plat for utility heals, purge (one more specced towards healing and potentially with efficient purge, one more damage oriented).

Carry redundancy with ice staff and wall of elements for the back bar, potentially ritual of retribution for the DOT+HOT if you have someone purging. BRP resto in group for on-call major vitality. One magplar with the morph of repetence giving minor Magicka steal so you don’t have to single target elemental drain and you already have breach from deep fissure. Monster helms are TK and then grothdar on the rest.

Group has additional buffs of minor toughness, prophecy, and sorcery. Magplars run off-set utility with transmutation and SPC. You can rely on charged Frost staves for minor maim or have a DPS running wizard’s riposte, otherwise full damage with spinners+overwhelming.

Not sure if it’s feasible bar space-wise to put guard on.

Should get you far.

I see what you mean, but a couple things I was thinking.

Most sorcs hate encase don’t they? I tried it a couple times and it was great against WWs in lowby BGs but it could be worth subbing out a magplar for a MagDK. MagDK will bring more tankiness and a better root, plus can offheal with the shard buff.

Dropping encase will allow the sorc to run cleanse instead of a Temp or DK, who’ll have an easier time maintaining the high magicka cost.

I was also thinking stamwarden instead of mag. I didn’t consider the Mag resistance debuff but they do have better burst.

I said harmony Mag/Stam Necro for synergy bombs but am not sure if it’s strong enough. They’re great in small/med/large scale but am not sure about BGs.

Otherwise thinking something similar but I’ve never tried overwhelming surge.

Adenoma

Purge isn’t something you’re constantly trying to do. It’s there for an opportunity to cleanse powerful debuffs like major vulnerability. Otherwise, you can rely on Templar synergies and half your group can purge anyway.

MagDK will not add tankiness over a magplar and will only subtract from group heals. It isn’t about burst healing, that’s easy to manage from honor the dead on two magplars and the matriarch heal, it’s about keeping up HOTs. I didn’t mention it originally, but you want two magplars so that they can give each other shards and sustain. Plus, just more sustain for the group.

Encase is phenomenal. Anyone telling you otherwise doesn’t understand the amount of control it gives. MagDK roots will be inferior.

Magwarden provides more off-heals than a stamwarden and let’s you run a BRP resto which is more utility than any gearing a stamwarden allows. Additionally, it makes use of overwhelming surge well.

The reasoning for surge is that between 4 members, you have a large AOE of essentially 4K DPS permanently with a high likelihood of inflicting minor vulnerability.

I don’t like synergies - too unreliable outside of fixed spaces and too conditional.

Ragnarock41

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kalunte

I'd say magden+magdk+magsorc+stamplar with regular or fancy builds it should have enough crosshealing and very high dmg to dominate every scenario.

I'm sad that i can't put nightblade in but the facts are that it lacks of group utility to be optimal.

I also don't think that healers are required in bgs with so much crosshealing available on some classes right now, either stam or mag. They are still helpful and very noticeable when they are here😊


@Maulkin , we'll be back soon with all the Yolo you seem to lacks these days

Goregrinder

xeha_arwen11 wrote: »

When it comes to a broken system that puts pugs up against premades, the best possible premade is NO premade.

ZOS needs to get premades and pugs a different queue. The whole MMR system and premade fighting pug system is broken and terrible, ruining bgs. Premades are cheating when you're against pugs. Pure and simple. Anyone who does premades against pugs is just showing that they have no skill. They suck all fun out of the game for casuals, pugs, and serious players who don't want to cheat.

Premades against premades isn't cheating. That would be fine. Pugs against pugs is fine. Not talking about that. I stopped bgs a long time ago because of toxicity, other types of cheating and exploiting, and because the top was just premades farming pugs. I was 1st place in spite of the fact that I refused to be a part of a premade and was always thrown up against premades, but it's not fun in the slightest. 99 percent of people in-game who have talked to me about bgs have had nothing but complaints against premades farming pugs. Just get separate queues. Then bgs would actually be fun for almost everyone.

No one cares how you feel about premades, OP's post has nothing to do with whether they should or should not exist. We are talking about COMPS. What would the best COMP be for specific BG games. Just because YOU chose to not socialize with other humans, and try to coordinate efforts does not mean other people won't.

If you choose to bring a knife to a gun fight, that's your bad. Go spew your Anti-Premade propaganda elsewyer bro.

Casul

One of the craziest BG I have been in was 4 Stamden, so many subs, so many DBoS, so many Steelnadoes.

Gravord

- Templar healer - tanky, good burst, cleanse, etc. Warden/necro could do but require bit more skill to pull of similar results.
- DK or Warden tank, Vanguard set, pull, mad cc options.
- 2 dds who know how to play of almost any combinations if the 2 above know what they are doing, personally would prefer stam nb main dd and a wreck spammer assist dd - warden/sorc/dk/necro. But thats just personal preferance for melee combat.