Add-ons introducing Custom Titles vs Crown Store

nordmarian

Hello everyone,

I want to state out another situation that came in my attention during the last years, I've spent in eso which is the ability of add-ons to alterate game functions such as changing current game titles earned through different achievements into fully customized and even colored titles.

Although GM's and people whom contributed a lot to this game might deserved to have a custom title next to their title using certain add-ons, I think this is a bit abusive and it can affect more or less players around.

- New players might be fooled that a certain individual might be a GM (game master) just because a player show off with a fancy title.
- Add-ons developers are decision makers if granting or not granting someone a custom title.
- Not everyone is allowed to have a custom title regardless about his or her contribution to the community.
- People who literally did nothing in the community, or even toxic players are allowing to have such titles, while some who probably did a lot doesn't even know such options exists.
- People might get influenced about a group performance judging by their fancy titles and less by their performance or humanity. Last year a good friend of mine no longer wanted to raid together in same team as a result of "some individuals showing off with their fancy titles".

On the other side allowing a player to buy and create a custom title via crown store system will give everyone a fair chance to get a nice fancy title. Or none at all.

Dusk_Coven

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

It cheapens titles. Which are already cheapened by win trading and buying carries.

Tommy_The_Gun

Just a short question. Are you saying that an add-on someone can inatall on their game client can add a costume title that is visable for other players who dont use this add-on ?

If that is the case, then yes - it should not happen. If however they are the only one who can see the title... who cares ?

Hamish999

Other

It's hilarious that you think there are games masters

It's fine as it is, leave it alone.

zyk

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Just a short question. Are you saying that an add-on someone can inatall on their game client can add a costume title that is visable for other players who dont use this add-on ?

If that is the case, then yes - it should not happen. If however they are the only one who can see the title... who cares ?

It's an intrusive addon that's included with many popular addons such as Dolgubon's Lazy Writ Crafter.

Most who have it installed probably don't realize it. I wish authors wouldn't include it with completely unrelated addons.

There's an addon that disables it:

https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1765-DisableCustomTitles.html

Though, when I install a new addon, I manually delete LibCustomTitles.lua if it's present.

Siohwenoeht

Other

Nah to custom titles... But I voted other because I'm not fond of biased poll wording. Could've done without the color commentary.

bmnoble

From memory the add on that ads custom titles, the custom titles are only visible for others with that add on installed if not it just appears as though Volunteer title from PVP.

nordmarian

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

I know all that but this add-on was at least for a while included with some other very popular addon which a vast majority of players had it.

LadyNalcarya

Other

nordmarian wrote: »

- New players might be fooled that a certain individual might be a GM (game master) just because a player show off with a fancy title.

As far as I know, you can only see those custom titles if you have the addon that adds them. I think it's one of the raid related addons, and it's unlikely that a new player would have it.
Also, impersonating ZOS staff is a bannable offense so I don't think that addon authors would do that.

Edit: apparently there is an addon just for titles, too, and the author does not allow titles that break TOS or already exist in game.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

nordmarian wrote: »

- New players might be fooled that a certain individual might be a GM (game master) just because a player show off with a fancy title.

As far as I know, you can only see those custom titles if you have the addon that adds them. I think it's one of the raid related addons, and it's unlikely that a new player would have it.
Also, impersonating ZOS staff is a bannable offense so I don't think that addon authors would do that.

I was unaware of that issue and checked in my addon folder. This library was hidden/embedded in 12 (TWELVE!) of my addons. Including addons that are used by nearly everyone (Skyshard, LazyWritCrafter, PChat, AwesomeGuildStore, etc.). So yes, the problem is game wide and concerns everyone.

svartorn

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

Hard pass on custom titles.

January1171

Other

GMs not only have a title, but a fancy logo (as the loading screen has reminded me so many times).

If someone wants to ensure it's real, they can ask the player to link the achievement or they can do a quick google search.

Otherwise, titles are purely cosmetic. I know a lot of players who can't even see them (by choice).

Custom titles don't bother me.

idk

Other

I would say no one should have custom titles via any means but OP did not provide that answer for me to select without suggesting custom titles were harassment or trying to fool people . In other words, very poor poll.

The reason I do not think they should be permitted is it cheapens titles already out there. Zos should block that functionality even if it reduces the functionality of some addons to prevent abuse.

LadyNalcarya

Other

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

nordmarian wrote: »

- New players might be fooled that a certain individual might be a GM (game master) just because a player show off with a fancy title.

As far as I know, you can only see those custom titles if you have the addon that adds them. I think it's one of the raid related addons, and it's unlikely that a new player would have it.
Also, impersonating ZOS staff is a bannable offense so I don't think that addon authors would do that.

I was unaware of that issue and checked in my addon folder. This library was hidden/embedded in 12 (TWELVE!) of my addons. Including addons that are used by nearly everyone (Skyshard, LazyWritCrafter, PChat, AwesomeGuildStore, etc.). So yes, the problem is game wide and concerns everyone.

Hmm I didn't know that.
Well, at least there is an addon that disables them.

nordmarian

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

I know it can be disabled but the situation is as follow, you have a bunch of friends close to you, you go to a raid team whom show off all their fancy titles and your friends are gone because, you can't give them fancy titles and they can. xD

So I would say this situation should stop.

Donny_Vito

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

I play console therefore I despise anything PC has that I don't have (sarcastic). But in all seriousness, I think custom titles should not exist. Earn a real title through in-game efforts, not skills acquired outside of the game (i.e. programming).

susmitds

Other

Biased poll. (Yes, I have a custom title)

nordmarian

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

Also a lot of friends whom I played with have a custom title. It is just fair-play in the end. Friends should stick with those with a large heart, with those whom are nice and kind and willing to help and not being influenced by a group of fancy titles.

Elsonso

Other

Sigh.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

nordmarian wrote: »

- New players might be fooled that a certain individual might be a GM (game master) just because a player show off with a fancy title.

As far as I know, you can only see those custom titles if you have the addon that adds them. I think it's one of the raid related addons, and it's unlikely that a new player would have it.
Also, impersonating ZOS staff is a bannable offense so I don't think that addon authors would do that.

I was unaware of that issue and checked in my addon folder. This library was hidden/embedded in 12 (TWELVE!) of my addons. Including addons that are used by nearly everyone (Skyshard, LazyWritCrafter, PChat, AwesomeGuildStore, etc.). So yes, the problem is game wide and concerns everyone.

Hmm I didn't know that.
Well, at least there is an addon that disables them.

This addon is about as simple to use as a Linux command-line based OS. NOPE xD.
I prefer to simply delete all the LibCustomTitles.lua files in my addon folder, it's quicker and more reliable.

Elsonso

Other

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

This addon is about as simple to use as a Linux command-line based OS. NOPE xD.
I prefer to simply delete all the LibCustomTitles.lua files in my addon folder, it's quicker and more reliable.

Too much work. I don't know about the addon that was linked, but I have an addon that I wrote for myself that removes the functionality of several addons. This is one of them.

Dawnblade

Other

Could care less - not to mention, someone with a title by their name is in no way shape or form affecting others around them.

SirAndy

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

zyk wrote: »

when I install a new addon, I manually delete LibCustomTitles.lua if it's present.

Same here, whenever i install something new or update something existing i do a quick search and delete the custom titles library file(s) from my AddOn folder.

You'd be surprised about some of the more well known players in there, i guess the urge to show off their epeen is strong in many ...

Araneae6537

Other

I don’t see fooling anyone, especially new players, as a problem since they would have to have installed and be using the add-on themselves to see these titles.

I really don’t pay attention to titles have have adjusted game setting to reduce how much info is displayed above other players so as to limit clutter in my screen (I do like to have Nameplates enabled but I don’t need to see everyone’s autobiography, lol).

nordmarian wrote: »

I know it can be disabled but the situation is as follow, you have a bunch of friends close to you, you go to a raid team whom show off all their fancy titles and your friends are gone because, you can't give them fancy titles and they can. xD

So I would say this situation should stop.

Um, what??? How are other people able to give them fancy titles? If by carrying through a raid or something, that’s a real title and not a custom one. More than that, you need to re-evaluate whom you consider “friends close to you” if you’re abandoned for so paltry an enticement...

Dusk_Coven

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I was unaware of that issue and checked in my addon folder. This library was hidden/embedded in 12 (TWELVE!) of my addons. Including addons that are used by nearly everyone (Skyshard, LazyWritCrafter, PChat, AwesomeGuildStore, etc.). So yes, the problem is game wide and concerns everyone.

Should be opt-in, shouldn't have to opt-out -- shouldn't have to discover it was installed without your knowledge either.
Should we be putting our tinfoil hats on and checking add-ons for undocumented functions now?

SirAndy

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

ErinM31 wrote: »

I don’t see fooling anyone, especially new players, as a problem since they would have to have installed and be using the add-on themselves to see these titles.

It comes as a hidden install with many, many of the most popular AddOns. So yeah, it's *** up *** ...

Araneae6537

Other

SirAndy wrote: »

ErinM31 wrote: »

I don’t see fooling anyone, especially new players, as a problem since they would have to have installed and be using the add-on themselves to see these titles.

It comes as a hidden install with many, many of the most popular AddOns. So yeah, it's *** up *** ...

Fair enough, but why would it matter? If people are somehow using this to harass other players, etc., that’s already against TOS. Call yourself Ruler of the Universe in your name or in a fake title; I certainly won’t care and if I notice, will only be amused.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

ErinM31 wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

ErinM31 wrote: »

I don’t see fooling anyone, especially new players, as a problem since they would have to have installed and be using the add-on themselves to see these titles.

It comes as a hidden install with many, many of the most popular AddOns. So yeah, it's *** up *** ...

Fair enough, but why would it matter? If people are somehow using this to harass other players, etc., that’s already against TOS. Call yourself Ruler of the Universe in your name or in a fake title; I certainly won’t care and if I notice, will only be amused.

I don't really care about people wearing fancy / custom titles but the sneaky way it's done is annoying.

Dusk_Coven

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't really care about people wearing fancy / custom titles but the sneaky way it's done is annoying.

This brings up the issue of WHY it was done this way.
Is it because not enough people would opt-in that it would be feel meaningless to them? If so, then these people who want custom titles don't just want it within their subculture. They want to impose it on others -- people who don't even know it's embedded in an Addon they are using, and don't realize the title is not official game content, and don't know they can opt out.

Honestly, how many people knew they could opt out of custom titles?

Selfish motives like this (again, basing on the ASSUMPTIONS above) is reason enough why the community can't be trusted to influence the game -- not just with the issue of titles, but especially with game balance.

nordmarian

No one should have a customized title as it is harassing or fooling people around

That. And to be honest using some addons to come forward with a custom title in front of somewhat relatively new to that will only manipulate and deceive people, in this case applicants to a raid team, to join theirs, even when their skills are not among the best but want to show off in front of others.

kargen27

Other

I voted other because I don't like the wording for the no. I do not see how a fake title is harassing another player. Titles should be earned though and that is why I also believe they should remain character bound and not account bound.