Alternative to Lokestiiz

Jaimeh

azjuwelz wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

I still haven't got all the pieces of Lokestiiz and I'm not sure what I should be running alongside Relequen on my Stamsorc. Is Briarheart second best or are there any better sets?

If you play with set trial/dungeon group feeding you synergies, you can pick Alkosh. Is a Damage set after all.
If you have cheap ultimate at around 75 cost (like Templar & Warden have) then War Machine and you do not rely on synergies.
Deadly is a great set currently and with upcoming buff to 20% even better. Destined to replace Relequen and it's crap mechanics which the majority have no clue how it works when promoting it like parrots. Also 3rd item bonus isn't ignored as with Lokkestiiz + Relequen (buffs of same type do not stack)

Briarheart is not a second best. It has a downtime and requirement making it worse option than Hunding Rage and on Sta Sorc worst option to Automaton. As you have only 1 non Physical damage ability. The poison injection, which you shouldn't care less tbh.

Before last update could have said go with Veiled Heritance, it has 90% uptime with great damage boost procing like mad due to Hurricane, but not the case any more.

On next patch could have said New Moon Acolyte as Sta Sorc doesn't have issues with resources.

True that Briarheart has a 5 sec cooldown, but at least it carries the damage over to your back bar for 10 seconds. Front-barring NMA or DS or Hundings or Automaton doesn't.

Okay this is still something that confuses me--what determines if a set is front or back-barred? And what if you have a mishmash, like 1 weapon, 2 jewelry, 2 armor of one set, etc?

I've been considering sets to run on my stamblade as well---I have plenty of options or Hundings or Briarheart, and then either Relenq (non-perfected), or VO.

If you front bar a set, it means its 5th piece bonus will be lost on the back-bar, as usually builds have a vMA/Master bow there, so for example, if you have Lokkestiiz or War Machine on the font bar, then you have to use a synergy or ultimate when you're on the front bar in order to get the benefits of the 5th piece, as it's absent on the back bar. However, the buff from these sets (major slayer) has a set duration that will not disappear when you swap bars. With other sets that have flats stats as their 5th piece bonus, you lose them entirely when you are on your back bar, same with sets with stacks that are conditional, if you spend too long on the back bar.

Varana

azjuwelz wrote: »

Okay this is still something that confuses me--what determines if a set is front or back-barred? And what if you have a mishmash, like 1 weapon, 2 jewelry, 2 armor of one set, etc?

I've been considering sets to run on my stamblade as well---I have plenty of options or Hundings or Briarheart, and then either Relenq (non-perfected), or VO.

Often, you'll have a special weapon on one bar (usually called the "back bar") - Master's/Maelstrom Bow for Stamina DDs, Maelstrom Staff for Magicka DDs. That means that when you swap to this bar, you lose the 4-and5-piece bonuses from one of your sets. (Assuming you're running a monster helm set.)

The opposite to "front-bar set" is not "back-bar" - your back-bar bonus is the special weapon. The opposite of a front-bar set is a "body set".
The difference is:
A body set is always active because you're wearing it as body pieces (including jewelry). A front-bar set is active only part-time because when you swap away from the weapon of that set to your back bar, you lose the upper two bonuses.

Front bar sets are sets that proc some effect: "you get X amount of crit for 10 seconds", for instance. That is an effect that stays on you even if you swap away from that bar.
Body sets are sets that give a static bonus: "X amount of crit". You lose these when you swap away.
A somewhat special case are sets that you want to have on the body because their proc effect is difficult to maintain if you only use it on one bar - Relequen being a prime example.

Body pieces and jewelry are interchangeable these days. The only thing that matters whether you use a set as front-bar or body set, is the weapon.

YandereGirlfriend

Katahdin wrote: »

Anyone else think it's sad that crafting is relegated to "fill in sets" until you manage to farm the ones you're expected to use?

I mean we spent a year leveling and researching everything for what?

On the one hand, I see your point.

On the other hand, games should always reward you for skillfully playing their hardest content.

Crafting is just passive grinding that you can do on a character that never even sets foot in a dungeon/trial/arena or discovers a single Wayshrine.

To have BiS rewards for not really "playing the game" cheapens the achievement of end-gamers and undermines the reason for playing the game in the first place.

This bothers me not only with crafting but also the fact that you can outright BUY BiS gear (such as Mother's Sorrow) from guild stores for even less effort than crafting.

Elwendryll

Tzogvin It's the first and only time I upgraded jewelry to golden. It was 100% worth it.

azjuwelz

Varana wrote: »

azjuwelz wrote: »

Okay this is still something that confuses me--what determines if a set is front or back-barred? And what if you have a mishmash, like 1 weapon, 2 jewelry, 2 armor of one set, etc?

I've been considering sets to run on my stamblade as well---I have plenty of options or Hundings or Briarheart, and then either Relenq (non-perfected), or VO.

Often, you'll have a special weapon on one bar (usually called the "back bar") - Master's/Maelstrom Bow for Stamina DDs, Maelstrom Staff for Magicka DDs. That means that when you swap to this bar, you lose the 4-and5-piece bonuses from one of your sets. (Assuming you're running a monster helm set.)

The opposite to "front-bar set" is not "back-bar" - your back-bar bonus is the special weapon. The opposite of a front-bar set is a "body set".
The difference is:
A body set is always active because you're wearing it as body pieces (including jewelry). A front-bar set is active only part-time because when you swap away from the weapon of that set to your back bar, you lose the upper two bonuses.

Front bar sets are sets that proc some effect: "you get X amount of crit for 10 seconds", for instance. That is an effect that stays on you even if you swap away from that bar.
Body sets are sets that give a static bonus: "X amount of crit". You lose these when you swap away.
A somewhat special case are sets that you want to have on the body because their proc effect is difficult to maintain if you only use it on one bar - Relequen being a prime example.

Body pieces and jewelry are interchangeable these days. The only thing that matters whether you use a set as front-bar or body set, is the weapon.

Thank you! Very clear explanation, and since I don't have an arena weapon yet, I simply have to pay attention to the weapon slots.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Amorpho wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

I still haven't got all the pieces of Lokestiiz and I'm not sure what I should be running alongside Relequen on my Stamsorc. Is Briarheart second best or are there any better sets?

If you play with set trial/dungeon group feeding you synergies, you can pick Alkosh. Is a Damage set after all.
If you have cheap ultimate at around 75 cost (like Templar & Warden have) then War Machine and you do not rely on synergies.
Deadly is a great set currently and with upcoming buff to 20% even better. Destined to replace Relequen and it's crap mechanics which the majority have no clue how it works when promoting it like parrots. Also 3rd item bonus isn't ignored as with Lokkestiiz + Relequen (buffs of same type do not stack)

Briarheart is not a second best. It has a downtime and requirement making it worse option than Hunding Rage and on Sta Sorc worst option to Automaton. As you have only 1 non Physical damage ability. The poison injection, which you shouldn't care less tbh.

Before last update could have said go with Veiled Heritance, it has 90% uptime with great damage boost procing like mad due to Hurricane, but not the case any more.

On next patch could have said New Moon Acolyte as Sta Sorc doesn't have issues with resources.

True that Briarheart has a 5 sec cooldown, but at least it carries the damage over to your back bar for 10 seconds. Front-barring NMA or DS or Hundings or Automaton doesn't.

Assuming someone uses bow from different set, like Maelstrom or vDSA

Amorpho

Elwendryll wrote: »

Tzogvin It's the first and only time I upgraded jewelry to golden. It was 100% worth it.

Cool, Tzogvin front bar. What about on body if you didn't want to use Relequen and build something more focused on AoE damage? How about New Moon Acolyte?