Alternative to Lokestiiz

Amorpho

I still haven't got all the pieces of Lokestiiz and I'm not sure what I should be running alongside Relequen on my Stamsorc. Is Briarheart second best or are there any better sets?

WrathOfInnos

AFAIK the best front bar sets after Lokke would be Advancing Yokeda or Tzogvins, but Briarheart isn’t too far behind.

deviousthevile

There is always the option of filling it in with Hunding's until you get the rest of your Lokke set, or find something you enjoy more.

Katahdin

Anyone else think it's sad that crafting is relegated to "fill in sets" until you manage to farm the ones you're expected to use?

I mean we spent a year leveling and researching everything for what?

Amorpho

What about New Moon Accolyte? (new set)

rotaugen454

Amorpho wrote: »

What about New Moon Accolyte? (new set)

The sustain nerfs make this set rather less attractive than it might otherwise be.

MercilessnVexed

Katahdin wrote: »

Anyone else think it's sad that crafting is relegated to "fill in sets" until you manage to farm the ones you're expected to use?

I mean we spent a year leveling and researching everything for what?

I dunno about you, but I'm spending the year leveling for fun. For achievements. For progress of my character. Expand thy goals, young padawan. You'll be happier in the long run.

El_Borracho

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

AFAIK the best front bar sets after Lokke would be Advancing Yokeda or Tzogvins, but Briarheart isn’t too far behind.

This. Also, unless you are running Perfected Lokke, I don't think regular Lokke is as good as these sets.

MartiniDaniels

Katahdin wrote: »

Anyone else think it's sad that crafting is relegated to "fill in sets" until you manage to farm the ones you're expected to use?

I mean we spent a year leveling and researching everything for what?

Crafted sets are good in PVP. When you craft consumables by yourself you save money. Crafting itself brings you ton of money.
Though it will be nice to have some perfected-trial-level, extremely expensive to craft and requiring all 7 maxed out crafts, bind on pickup unique items for PVE.

Wayshuba

Don't worry about it. Lokke is receiving and extremely heavy rework (read huge nerf) in the next patch which is going to make the set useless.

Oakmontowls_ESO

Wayshuba wrote: »

Don't worry about it. Lokke is receiving and extremely heavy rework (read huge nerf) in the next patch which is going to make the set useless.

No its not? There's no nerf on the pts unless I'm mistaken.

El_Borracho

Katahdin wrote: »

Anyone else think it's sad that crafting is relegated to "fill in sets" until you manage to farm the ones you're expected to use?

I mean we spent a year leveling and researching everything for what?

Ehh, for PVE there needs to be an incentive to repeatedly run content. Cloudrest isn't the best trial, but I've run it a few dozen times to get the Rele and Siroria pieces I need. If I didn't need that gear, I would not keep going back. Same as the Craglorn 3, and now VSS.

The same principles apply to the dungeons. They needed to put keys and motifs in there because once you get the helmet you need, there would be no reason to run pledges.

hasi

Another generally good Replacement, besides those already named above, is Deadly Strike.🙂

Varana

Also, a few crafted sets are perfectly fine until you get to real end-game content. Vet dungeons and even Craglorn trials can be done in Julianos or Hunding's, Kagrenac is nice to have for some progressing groups, and so on. PvP (Shacklebreaker, for instance) has been mentioned.
Yes, for the time invested in learning traits, these are very few sets. But then, you spend this time basically waiting. They want you to play the game for the best gear, not click the research button and then wait for a few weeks. There is very little progression in crafting research; in dropped gear, you have some form of clearing content to get better gear to clear more advanced content to get better gear, and so forth. Providing this sense of achievement through playing the game is important.

Amorpho

Ok so, between deadly strike, tzogvin’s and advancing yokeda, which is best for a pve stamsorc?

starkerealm

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

What about New Moon Accolyte? (new set)

The sustain nerfs make this set rather less attractive than it might otherwise be.

More appealing for a sorc, because of their baked in cost discounts (which you, functionally lose), but yeah, it's niche.

For a Stamsorc Automaton might not be a bad pick if you're seriously considering Hunding's as your second set.

starkerealm

Amorpho wrote: »

Ok so, between deadly strike, tzogvin’s and advancing yokeda, which is best for a pve stamsorc?

Kinda tempted to say AY. VO isn't a bad pick, you're wasting the second Minor Slayer buff, but it is a solid set choice.

Grianasteri

Amorpho wrote: »

I still haven't got all the pieces of Lokestiiz and I'm not sure what I should be running alongside Relequen on my Stamsorc. Is Briarheart second best or are there any better sets?

Personally I would go with Tzogvin or Advancing Yokeda, before I chose Lokestiiz. Both are better partners for Relequen, in my opinion, though the meta may say otherwise.

Briarheart and Hundings are both great sets and relatively easy to get though.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Amorpho wrote: »

I still haven't got all the pieces of Lokestiiz and I'm not sure what I should be running alongside Relequen on my Stamsorc. Is Briarheart second best or are there any better sets?

If you play with set trial/dungeon group feeding you synergies, you can pick Alkosh. Is a Damage set after all.
If you have cheap ultimate at around 75 cost (like Templar & Warden have) then War Machine and you do not rely on synergies.
Deadly is a great set currently and with upcoming buff to 20% even better. Destined to replace Relequen and it's crap mechanics which the majority have no clue how it works when promoting it like parrots. Also 3rd item bonus isn't ignored as with Lokkestiiz + Relequen (buffs of same type do not stack)

Briarheart is not a second best. It has a downtime and requirement making it worse option than Hunding Rage and on Sta Sorc worst option to Automaton. As you have only 1 non Physical damage ability. The poison injection, which you shouldn't care less tbh.

Before last update could have said go with Veiled Heritance, it has 90% uptime with great damage boost procing like mad due to Hurricane, but not the case any more.

On next patch could have said New Moon Acolyte as Sta Sorc doesn't have issues with resources.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

El_Borracho wrote: »

Ehh, for PVE there needs to be an incentive to repeatedly run content.

That's called "making the content fun and interesting".

If the content isn't fun and interesting it really doesn't matter to me what is gated behind it, I won't be seeing it.

RNG Gear-Grinds as an "incentive" to replay content really only work on the weak-minded.


All The Best

TriangularChicken

Deadly Strikes has the potential to outperform Lokke if you're below a certain Major Slayer uptime - so the fewer synergies in your raid, the lower major slayer uptime, the better Deadly Strikes becomes.

..and all the other stam sets like tzogvin, AY, briarheart, VO, etc are still good choices...the dps difference isn't that big, you will still be able to clear every HM in this game if you're using one of those sets.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

TriangularChicken wrote: »

Deadly Strikes has the potential to outperform Lokke if you're below a certain Major Slayer uptime - so the fewer synergies in your raid, the lower major slayer uptime, the better Deadly Strikes becomes.

..and all the other stam sets like tzogvin, AY, briarheart, VO, etc are still good choices...the dps difference isn't that big, you will still be able to clear every HM in this game if you're using one of those sets.

True. On my NB still using TFS+VO today. Hasn't gone out of fashion and DPS remained the same on real content in PUGs.
Only things changed over the years is the mask & mundus.

Amorpho

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

I still haven't got all the pieces of Lokestiiz and I'm not sure what I should be running alongside Relequen on my Stamsorc. Is Briarheart second best or are there any better sets?

If you play with set trial/dungeon group feeding you synergies, you can pick Alkosh. Is a Damage set after all.
If you have cheap ultimate at around 75 cost (like Templar & Warden have) then War Machine and you do not rely on synergies.
Deadly is a great set currently and with upcoming buff to 20% even better. Destined to replace Relequen and it's crap mechanics which the majority have no clue how it works when promoting it like parrots. Also 3rd item bonus isn't ignored as with Lokkestiiz + Relequen (buffs of same type do not stack)

Briarheart is not a second best. It has a downtime and requirement making it worse option than Hunding Rage and on Sta Sorc worst option to Automaton. As you have only 1 non Physical damage ability. The poison injection, which you shouldn't care less tbh.

Before last update could have said go with Veiled Heritance, it has 90% uptime with great damage boost procing like mad due to Hurricane, but not the case any more.

On next patch could have said New Moon Acolyte as Sta Sorc doesn't have issues with resources.

True that Briarheart has a 5 sec cooldown, but at least it carries the damage over to your back bar for 10 seconds. Front-barring NMA or DS or Hundings or Automaton doesn't.

Nemesis7884

Amorpho wrote: »

Ok so, between deadly strike, tzogvin’s and advancing yokeda, which is best for a pve stamsorc?

dont forget the new dragon guard elite...

Bam_Bam

Katahdin wrote: »

Anyone else think it's sad that crafting is relegated to "fill in sets" until you manage to farm the ones you're expected to use?

I mean we spent a year leveling and researching everything for what?

Well said!

I wish Grandmaster Crafters could craft Dungeon/Overland/Trial sets. NOT en masse, but one full set per month

rotaugen454

starkerealm wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

What about New Moon Accolyte? (new set)

The sustain nerfs make this set rather less attractive than it might otherwise be.

More appealing for a sorc, because of their baked in cost discounts (which you, functionally lose), but yeah, it's niche.

For a Stamsorc Automaton might not be a bad pick if you're seriously considering Hunding's as your second set.

Funny, I was just grinding yesterday for Automaton and crafting Hundings for my newish StamSorc. Not BiS but decent.

SquawkTheMajestic

Katahdin wrote: »

Anyone else think it's sad that crafting is relegated to "fill in sets" until you manage to farm the ones you're expected to use?

I mean we spent a year leveling and researching everything for what?

Not really, though I respect what you're saying. I find quite a bit of use in crafting. It's excellent to get yourself a strong gear set when hitting a fresh CP level. It's insanely helpful for giving training gear to your alts or others. I think if we look at the gear hierarchy, it would feel strange for crafted sets to be more powerful than overland, and especially dungeon sets.

In my opinion, even though gear grinds aren't fun, I think the weakest to strongest should be like this:

Crafted
Overland
Dungeon
Trial

Even though it takes a while to be a true master crafter, it doesn't take long to get 6 traits in a body set, which is the easiest way to provide good gear to folks. Overland sets drop in random traits, so I like that they're popular and a great source of income for people who quest in certain locations (sup Deshaan). Dungeon sets should be the bread and butter. While I do feel for people grinding out to get their BSW inferno staff, a tank running Crypt of Hearst for ebon gear is just tanking 101. It's great.

As an aside, I'd just like to say that I"m really happy with the variety of trial sets. I love that some trial sets simply make you better at trials (lokke, for example) while others can give you quality of life and effectiveness in dungeon content (vicious ophidian, false god's). I prefer dungeon content to trials because it's more intimate and you're 25% of the group, so getting my full False God's set was a blessing because I got to go back through dungeons with an excellent advantage.

But, I digress. The only way crafted sets should be better is if the mats dropped rarely, or if there were some kind of way to get customized quality. That last part isn't possible (I hate comparing weapon power potions as it is, I certainly dont want to compare one guy's crafted set to another when shopping!). But I remember back in the Everquest 2 days, I loved that crafting had a little 'skill' involved (minigame) and that you had some chances to enhance the gear and get a better proc. That was a system where it made sense to craft.

I have most traits in most professions across my ESO characters, and it's very rewarding to me that I can make gold by selling popular sets, craft gear for my new alts, create training gear, and help out my friends who just hit CP160. So I feel appropriately rewarded for my efforts.

DaNnYtHePcFrEaK

Lol at the people forgetting deadly strikes, I was getting 96k last patch in rele, deadly and vma... so deadly is a strong competitor

SeaGtGruff

Katahdin wrote: »

Anyone else think it's sad that crafting is relegated to "fill in sets" until you manage to farm the ones you're expected to use?

I mean we spent a year leveling and researching everything for what?

If you craft it,
they will come





















up with a much better dropped set.

azjuwelz

Amorpho wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

I still haven't got all the pieces of Lokestiiz and I'm not sure what I should be running alongside Relequen on my Stamsorc. Is Briarheart second best or are there any better sets?

If you play with set trial/dungeon group feeding you synergies, you can pick Alkosh. Is a Damage set after all.
If you have cheap ultimate at around 75 cost (like Templar & Warden have) then War Machine and you do not rely on synergies.
Deadly is a great set currently and with upcoming buff to 20% even better. Destined to replace Relequen and it's crap mechanics which the majority have no clue how it works when promoting it like parrots. Also 3rd item bonus isn't ignored as with Lokkestiiz + Relequen (buffs of same type do not stack)

Briarheart is not a second best. It has a downtime and requirement making it worse option than Hunding Rage and on Sta Sorc worst option to Automaton. As you have only 1 non Physical damage ability. The poison injection, which you shouldn't care less tbh.

Before last update could have said go with Veiled Heritance, it has 90% uptime with great damage boost procing like mad due to Hurricane, but not the case any more.

On next patch could have said New Moon Acolyte as Sta Sorc doesn't have issues with resources.

True that Briarheart has a 5 sec cooldown, but at least it carries the damage over to your back bar for 10 seconds. Front-barring NMA or DS or Hundings or Automaton doesn't.

Okay this is still something that confuses me--what determines if a set is front or back-barred? And what if you have a mishmash, like 1 weapon, 2 jewelry, 2 armor of one set, etc?

I've been considering sets to run on my stamblade as well---I have plenty of options or Hundings or Briarheart, and then either Relenq (non-perfected), or VO.

Katahdin

@Beastygrowls @SquawkTheMajestic

Ive been around a while, not exactly new to the game here.

I have 2 max level crafters, one is my main crafter, the other is for achiements as he is my achievement character.
Every other character gets crafting leveled to 50 for the mats and they research whatever useful traits they might need to transmute to. I just cant bother making all the alts do all the research on traits that are useless to them.

I have leveled over 20 characters and I only make armor for a character if Im leveling one.
After that I farm whatever appropriate gear for them or just use one of the MANY sets I have been hoarding.

I have many sets of VO, TFS, a full set of perfected Lok, AY, Several sets of Briarheart, Mother of Sorrow, Soiria, Spellcaster, relequin, etc etc etc.

Ive used Hundings in PVP but again only until I got together a better set to use.

The only thing my crafters do after all my characters are done leveling is furniture, level upgrades (until my alts get enough skill points to do it themselves), and transmute things (again until the alts can do it) that the game refuses to give me in the right traits.

I get the "have to have a reason to repeat content til you want to puke" thing but it just seems a little sad that armor crafting that we spend soooo much time getting completed is mostly just for "fill ins" and leveling until you get the right sets youre "expected" to run for group content.