remove faction lock for PvP?

DeathPK

ever since it was implemented NA pvp has been dying, peak time it's just an imbalance of people in DC dominating the map then the map dies at off peak times. unfun to play and killing pvp.

Siohwenoeht

Lordy, please read the patch notes. You have a 30 day CP unlocked campaign coming in the next update.

Syrusthevirus187

Lordy, why split a small playerbase into 2 campaigns

DCZergNoob

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Lordy, please read the patch notes. You have a 30 day CP unlocked campaign coming in the next update.

hell yeah man what a way to split the already dead playerbase

mague

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

Lordy, why split a small playerbase into 2 campaigns

Because the other solution contains the word "forced".

BomblePants

There was SO much moaning about faction lock... now they’ve tried to please both camps (I’m personally all for faction lock)....

Still moaning... 🤷‍♀️

Siohwenoeht

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

Lordy, why split a small playerbase into 2 campaigns

Frankly, you need to first prove which is more popular and now that there are equal campaigns the:
1. Unequal reward excuse is no longer valid,
2. the "I can't play with friends" excuse is no longer valid,
3. the I just want to flip to help the underdog" excuse is no longer valid,
4. the "half my toons are worthless" excuse is no longer valid, etcetera ad nauseum.

Now it's up to those who don't want faction lock to go to that campaign and show by population that it's the way to go.

And read the patch notes, and use the forum search, both are there to help you.

BloodSkull_ESO

DeathPK wrote: »

ever since it was implemented NA pvp has been dying, peak time it's just an imbalance of people in DC dominating the map then the map dies at off peak times. unfun to play and killing pvp.

this thread again

DCZergNoob

BomblePants wrote: »

There was SO much moaning about faction lock... now they’ve tried to please both camps (I’m personally all for faction lock)....

Still moaning... 🤷‍♀️

Yeah well maybe we wouldnt have to if ZOS would stop giving us pointless updates that literally NOBODY wants apart from zerglings.
pvp is dead enough as it is a non fact lock camp will just kill the population even more

Hamish999

And even with the new 30 day campaign there is still only 1 noCP campaign. A lot of us don't like playing against unkillable tank builds, absolutely no fun at all.

Alienoutlaw

back on this band wagon again, doesnt anyone read the patch notes?

BigBragg

There may be other factors contributing to the decline in PvP populations that far outweigh faction lock.

ThePedge

Unlock all 30 Day campaigns, bring back 7 day and Faction Lock that.

Let PvPers PvP and role-players can go to the 7 day.

DirkRavenclaw

All Campaigns Faction Locked but if but the Faction your first ever Toon started with, no matter if you delete him, show some loyalty towards your faction, that would be fair, all the so called PVPers who switch Faction, pledge a allegiance to one Flag and stick with it throught good and throught bad times, my first ever toon was AD so all my Toons are AD, simple

EmEm_Oh

DeathPK wrote: »

ever since it was implemented NA pvp has been dying, peak time it's just an imbalance of people in DC dominating the map then the map dies at off peak times. unfun to play and killing pvp.

Do you even play PvP. It's a serious question. Don't expect to just group a runover everyone.

Cyro takes effort and it's challenging.

And sometimes....it's best to log and wait.

InvictusApollo

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

Lordy, why split a small playerbase into 2 campaigns

Frankly, you need to first prove which is more popular and now that there are equal campaigns the:
1. Unequal reward excuse is no longer valid,
2. the "I can't play with friends" excuse is no longer valid,
3. the I just want to flip to help the underdog" excuse is no longer valid,
4. the "half my toons are worthless" excuse is no longer valid, etcetera ad nauseum.

Now it's up to those who don't want faction lock to go to that campaign and show by population that it's the way to go.

And read the patch notes, and use the forum search, both are there to help you.

Could you please not call these "excuses"? They are arguments and valid pain points of people who are against faction lock. Just because you are on the opposite side, doesn't mean that you are entitled to disrespect others. Let us be respectfull to each other, even - or should I say: especially when we do not agree.

Alienoutlaw

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

Lordy, why split a small playerbase into 2 campaigns

Frankly, you need to first prove which is more popular and now that there are equal campaigns the:
1. Unequal reward excuse is no longer valid,
2. the "I can't play with friends" excuse is no longer valid,
3. the I just want to flip to help the underdog" excuse is no longer valid,
4. the "half my toons are worthless" excuse is no longer valid, etcetera ad nauseum.

Now it's up to those who don't want faction lock to go to that campaign and show by population that it's the way to go.

And read the patch notes, and use the forum search, both are there to help you.

Could you please not call these "excuses"? They are arguments and valid pain points of people who are against faction lock. Just because you are on the opposite side, doesn't mean that you are entitled to disrespect others. Let us be respectfull to each other, even - or should I say: especially when we do not agree.

no they are excuses, not a single valid argument amongst any of them, they have never stood up to counter "argument" and just because ppl shouted them loudly doesnt make them any more valid (thats my respectful answer)

cheifsoap

BomblePants wrote: »

There was SO much moaning about faction lock... now they’ve tried to please both camps (I’m personally all for faction lock)....

Still moaning... 🤷‍♀️

Its because these non-faction lock people know that they're in the minority and their campaign is going to be dead as a door nail, so they want to force everyone to do what they want to do. Its selfish

TequilaFire

Nope faction lock is producing some of the most even scores on PS4 NA Kaal ever.
Well populated on all factions.

Alienoutlaw

cheifsoap wrote: »

BomblePants wrote: »

There was SO much moaning about faction lock... now they’ve tried to please both camps (I’m personally all for faction lock)....

Still moaning... 🤷‍♀️

Its because these non-faction lock people know that they're in the minority and their campaign is going to be dead as a door nail, so they want to force everyone to do what they want to do. Its selfish

personally cannot wait for the patch to go live, PvP will be a better place once the faction-hoppers have their hovel

Katahdin

DeathPK wrote: »

ever since it was implemented NA pvp has been dying, peak time it's just an imbalance of people in DC dominating the map then the map dies at off peak times. unfun to play and killing pvp.

DC is dominating because all or most of the oceanic guilds went DC this campaign and last.

The decline in players is also because people hate the last 2 patches. The trials community is seeing a similar decline. The other reason is lag, bugs and performance issues in Cyrodiil.

Also the leaderboards are shorter because people can not faction hop so their characters arent on the list.

Lastly, we are getting a 30 day non locked so we will see what is more popular. I don't care, I will go where my guild goes.

Tommy_The_Gun

The problem is that, in every game, no matter how good the game is, you will always have people that miss-behave, exploit something or just do their best to spoil other's fun (just for their own amusement). That is why ZOS added faction lock. To prevent some of those people to troll basically. It was a regulation that was added, because it was too toxic for the majority of ESO players.

Now, if you never did that (troll, exploit, etc.) but you somehow was negatively affected by faction lock - well you can "thank" all those who did miss-behave, troll or exploited to the extend the lack of faction lock. It is not ZOS who was like "we need faction lock" - it was majority of ESO PvPer who asked for it.

Note: We are getting 30 day non-locked campaign next update. There will be never a way to satisfy both "camps" but at least ZOS is trying.
btw. Night / morning capping the map by 1 faction and winning PvP campaign by doing PvE stuff (PvDoor) is tbh more invasive and harmful for Cyro PvP if you ask me.

shadyjane62

Faction has stopped me from playing at all in pvp, About to destroy all the siege equipment as it takes up bank space and storage space and I haven't pvped since the lock was passed.

TequilaFire

shadyjane62 wrote: »

Faction has stopped me from playing at all in pvp, About to destroy all the siege equipment as it takes up bank space and storage space and I haven't pvped since the lock was passed.

You stopped you from pvp not faction lock.
Stubborn is stubborn.

cheifsoap

TequilaFire wrote: »

Nope faction lock is producing some of the most even scores on PS4 NA Kaal ever.
Well populated on all factions.

ADs day crew is killing it. It's too bad that really messes up the score.

cheifsoap

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

btw. Night / morning capping the map by 1 faction and winning PvP campaign by doing PvE stuff (PvDoor) is tbh more invasive and harmful for Cyro PvP if you ask me.

100% agree. US and EU servers being region locked would help with this.

TequilaFire

cheifsoap wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Nope faction lock is producing some of the most even scores on PS4 NA Kaal ever.
Well populated on all factions.

ADs day crew is killing it. It's too bad that really messes up the score.

That would require region lock to fix to keep the oceanics from running the map in the morning.
Or one of the NA guilds to get up earlier. lol

Katahdin

cheifsoap wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

btw. Night / morning capping the map by 1 faction and winning PvP campaign by doing PvE stuff (PvDoor) is tbh more invasive and harmful for Cyro PvP if you ask me.

100% agree. US and EU servers being region locked would help with this.

Region lock would not solve it either.

Only way to ensure a fair fight at all times is dynamic population capping forcing equal population at all times. No faction could have 10% more population over the lowest faction population.

Sandman929

I didn't want faction lock, despite having only DC characters, and even now I can only play on the locked 30 day during off peak because performance is terrible during prime time NA. Population problems are a result of poor game performance, and locked or unlocked that's not going to change.
I do agree that this is a chance for people opposed to faction locks to populate the unlocked 30 day. At least try to make a case that unlocked is preferred. I'll just have to keep playing where I want to play off peak, and where I can stand to play during prime time.

cheifsoap

Katahdin wrote: »

cheifsoap wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

btw. Night / morning capping the map by 1 faction and winning PvP campaign by doing PvE stuff (PvDoor) is tbh more invasive and harmful for Cyro PvP if you ask me.

100% agree. US and EU servers being region locked would help with this.

Region lock would not solve it either.

Only way to ensure a fair fight at all times is dynamic population capping forcing equal population at all times. No faction could have 10% more population over the lowest faction population.

Why wouldn't it? It isn't a US crew that's day capping, its the EU crew. Your "dynamic population capping" won't do anything - a single 4 man group can run scrolls, especially a 4 man group w/ experienced pvp players.

Edit: Typos for days

idk

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Lordy, please read the patch notes. You have a 30 day CP unlocked campaign coming in the next update.

It is surprising how many players do not bother. How many times have we seen someone complain about a change that was in the first PTS patch notes and goes live. It helps to stay informed.