[Play your Way] Stamina weapons for Magicka Builds

starkerealm

Yuffie91 wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

Magicka templar healer with mace/shield and heavy armor would be nice also. Don't know why but the name templar gives me this image..also more magicka weapons like spellbooks would be nice..

D&D Cleric stereotype? D&D stereotyped a lot of things.

Don't know D&D but Oblivion used pictures like that for classes. What's wrong with stereotyping if it let's you use more than one kind of weapon or armor?

Just suggesting that's where the image came from. D&D captured the imagination of a lot of people. Chances are a lot of MMO devs played it or at least know a lot about it. A lot of early computer games followed the stereotypes quite closely as well, and many still do. It took a lot of work for games to break OUT of D&D stereotypes -- and let mages use swords and armor, for example.

I did think of trying it once but never got around to it. Sadly I don't have any geeky friends to play it with (the boardgame right?)

It expanded a lot from pen and paper tabletop RPG after Wizards of the Coast bought it out. Branched out into really popular computer RPGs by Bioware. Top titles include Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate, and Neverwinter Nights. Hugely popular and superb storytelling.
Now there's online MMO's -- Neverwinter Online and Dungeons and Dragons Online (NWO and DDO respectively) but they are very different from the tabletop game of course. DDO is very dated by looks decent in how they tried to mimic a tabletop RPG session. NWO is grind with barely any story.

I did play Dark Alliance Baldurs gate when I was young! Did not know they were connected!

Baldur's Gate (and Neverwinter) are parts of Forgotten Realms. Also the Icewind Dale games. All of those are named for places in the setting.

Planescape is its own (slightly peculiar) setting.

Dungeons and Dragons Online was set in the Eberron setting (IIRC), which is completely distinct.

There's a bunch of different official campaign settings for D&D. Including a couple that are modern day settings. Some highlights are Dragonlance, Dark Sun, Greyhawk, and Ravenloft. If you want to look those up on your own time.

Planescape kinda bridges a bunch of them together, but they're separate worlds.

Kalik_Gold

A lot of new sets are coming for hybrid play styles

gorgoloth

they should just change it so you heavy regen your main stat

starkerealm

gorgoloth wrote: »

they should just change it so you heavy regen your main stat

That would cause issues for tanks that run a back bar ice staff. Which is to say, for a lot of tanks.

The_Lex

That's the unfortunate consequence of taking a robust rpg title and turning it into an MMO. In the single player games, you can play a magic using NB with dual daggers. It's easy To build your character when no other players or group roles exist. In an MMO, it's harder to pull off (from a Dev point of view) because of balancing issues for both pve and pvp and the aforementioned roles.

Irfind

Ysbriel wrote: »

You can already do magicka builds with melee weapons and run normal dungeons, the entire overland including the Imperial City.
There is even sets that allow for this already

Bloodthorn's Touch
(2 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(5 items) When you deal direct damage, you restore 660 Magicka and Stamina. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds.

Arch-Mage
(2 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(5 items) When you deal damage with a fully-charged Heavy Attacks, you restore 834 Magicka.

This sets also have melee wepons, just as an example.

but i have to sacrifice a 5 pice bonus for it

gorgoloth wrote: »

they should just change it so you heavy regen your main stat

^this

starkerealm wrote: »

That would cause issues for tanks that run a back bar ice staff. Which is to say, for a lot of tanks.

Who told ZOS it was a good idea to wreck ice mages ?

starkerealm

The_Lex wrote: »

That's the unfortunate consequence of taking a robust rpg title and turning it into an MMO. In the single player games, you can play a magic using NB with dual daggers. It's easy To build your character when no other players or group roles exist. In an MMO, it's harder to pull off (from a Dev point of view) because of balancing issues for both pve and pvp and the aforementioned roles.

More accurately, it's exposing a fundamental flaw in the system of the single player games.

What was your favorite Skyrim character? Was it the Stealth Archer, the "I was going to be a mage this time," Stealth Archer, or the "this time I'm going to make a Knight... dammit, it's a Stealth Archer?"

Even back with Oblivion and Morrowind, your class and racial picks only determined how fast you leveled up, they didn't govern how skilled you could become at the end, so it created a system where, eventually, everyone would be the same.

The last game in the franchise that really made you play your classes differently was Daggerfall. That was 23 years ago.

ESO gives everyone a basic pool of skills, but then gives you distinct class identities. They could be stronger, sure, but it does mean your Templar isn't just a Nightblade in disguise.

GreenhaloX

It could work if you have equal amount of stamina and majicka; a hybrid with, let's say 38-40K stam and maj each. However, peeps currently running staff/greatsword or staff/dw as dd on consoles are just blatantly misinformed. You're short in dps, period. I ran a vet dungeon with one such dd and was wondering why it was taking longer than usual. Oh, I'm not the best player in ESO, but my stam toons have some good arse dps. Then, we realize the other dd was using staff/greatsword.

Sure, such a build still have dps, but not nearly the full potential of higher dps output of either dd/bow or greatsword/bow. Heck, even greatsword/dd for stam is viable. Mixing a maj and stam weapons is not viable at this time, unless ZOS implement a build that matches stam and maj into the higher bracket. You're just short-changing yourself in dps and the rest of your teammates in group contents.

The_Lex

starkerealm wrote: »

The_Lex wrote: »

That's the unfortunate consequence of taking a robust rpg title and turning it into an MMO. In the single player games, you can play a magic using NB with dual daggers. It's easy To build your character when no other players or group roles exist. In an MMO, it's harder to pull off (from a Dev point of view) because of balancing issues for both pve and pvp and the aforementioned roles.

More accurately, it's exposing a fundamental flaw in the system of the single player games.

What was your favorite Skyrim character? Was it the Stealth Archer, the "I was going to be a mage this time," Stealth Archer, or the "this time I'm going to make a Knight... dammit, it's a Stealth Archer?"

Even back with Oblivion and Morrowind, your class and racial picks only determined how fast you leveled up, they didn't govern how skilled you could become at the end, so it created a system where, eventually, everyone would be the same.

The last game in the franchise that really made you play your classes differently was Daggerfall. That was 23 years ago.

ESO gives everyone a basic pool of skills, but then gives you distinct class identities. They could be stronger, sure, but it does mean your Templar isn't just a Nightblade in disguise.

I don't necessarily disagree. My favorite class-building titles were Morrowind and Oblivion, in that order. But you could create a very unique build in Skyrim with a little thought, creativity, and self discipline (so you're not a one Dovahkiin wrecking machine). The easy way is stealth archery, but that takes zero thought or effort.

Commancho

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Suppose your power fantasy is magic-using nightblade using bow/dual wield.

Hybrid builds work for solo and in pvp to some extent, but please don't move it any further.

starkerealm

Irfind wrote: »

Ysbriel wrote: »

You can already do magicka builds with melee weapons and run normal dungeons, the entire overland including the Imperial City.
There is even sets that allow for this already

Bloodthorn's Touch
(2 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(5 items) When you deal direct damage, you restore 660 Magicka and Stamina. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds.

Arch-Mage
(2 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(5 items) When you deal damage with a fully-charged Heavy Attacks, you restore 834 Magicka.

This sets also have melee wepons, just as an example.

but i have to sacrifice a 5 pice bonus for it

Worse, those are not good sets. Your heavy attack returns a little Magicka, or your direct damage returns both resource pools about once a week. Yeah, that's not good.

Irfind wrote: »

gorgoloth wrote: »

they should just change it so you heavy regen your main stat

^this

starkerealm wrote: »

That would cause issues for tanks that run a back bar ice staff. Which is to say, for a lot of tanks.

Who told ZOS it was a good idea to wreck ice mages ?

You and @gorgoloth, by the look of things.

Darkstorne

New Dragonhold crafted sets look amazing for hybrid classes:

Ancient Dragonguard Set
(2 items) 1206 Max Health
(3 items) 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
(4 items) 833 Weapon and Spell Critical
(5 items) Gain 300 Weapon and Spell Damage while health is over 50%. Gain 3460 bonus Physical and Spell Resistance while health is 50% or less.

Daring Corsair Set
(2 items) 129 Stamina Recovery
(3 items) 129 Magicka Recovery
(4 items) 833 Weapon and Spell Critical
(5 items) Reduce the cost of your Weapon abilities by 10% Magicka or Stamina. After casting a Weapon ability, gain Minor Heroism for 8 seconds, generating 1 Ultimate every 1.5 seconds while in combat. This effect can occur every 8 seconds.

New Moon Acolyte Set
(2 items) 833 Weapon and Spell Critical
(3 items) 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
(4 items) 1487 Physical and Spell Penetration
(5 items) Adds 481 Weapon and Spell Damage. Increase the cost of your active abilities by 5%.

Existing sets that help with light/heavy attack damage in hybrid builds:

Undaunted Unweaver
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(5 items) When you use an ability that costs Stamina, your Light Attacks deal 774 additional damage and Heavy Attacks deal an additional 1161 damage for 10 seconds.

Undaunted Infiltrator
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) When you use an ability that costs Magicka, your Light Attacks deal an additional 774 damage and Heavy Attacks deal an additional 1161 damage for 10 seconds.





One Hand and Rune: The long-rumoured ultimate solution that is really needed to help magicka builds and class fantasy. Changes nothing for existing playstyles, but would add so much more to new builds.

Use a sword, axe, or dagger in your main hand, and an elemental rune in the other. Light/heavy attacks scale with magicka instead of stamina, and the skill line could have closer-range abilities like the iconic starter spells from Skyrim (flames/sparks/frostbite, depending on your rune focus), buffing weapons with elemental damage bonuses for light attacks, and a ward-type spell from Skyrim to make it a viable weapon style for magicka tanks.

Finally, staple TES battlemage playstyles and class fantasy would be possible. The weapon models already exist. The basic attack animations already exist. This weapon style was datamined years ago, and there have been NPCs using this weapon style in the game since day one. Here are three sword/spell wielding NPCs from Auridon:

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

I want rifles and crossbows added since we already have them in cwc cuz sotha sil its a genius already...oh yeah how about great shields 1h spears fist weapons and since the thread is about stam weps for mag builds why not mag weapons for stam builds? or idk BO staves?...oh well its nice to be allowed to dream right?