How to discover if someone is cheating in BGs?

Mariusghost84

Sometimes i come across players that 1 shot me and just seem to do insane amount of damage. I dont know if cheating is a thing in this game, but is there a way to spot someone that does cheat? Is that even a thing? Ive heard people mention "Macros" - i dont know what that is - i used macros a lot in wow , but apparently this is a bad thing in ESO?

Yuffie91

People do high dps..must be cheating!

Mariusghost84

Yuffie91 wrote: »

People do high dps..must be cheating!

Not saying that. Most of the times i get melted and i know they arnt cheating. But when a NB 1 shots me in less than a sec et im beginning to wonder.

Vapirko

If you really want an opinion you can try using Shadowplay or something and then post the clip here to ask what people think. Lots of people swear that cheating is rampant but I disagree and a lot of experienced players will tell you that real cheating does happen but it’s relatively very rare. It’s very easy to nearly one shot inexperienced players in no CP. Also it probably wasn’t a one shot. It could have been something like big ult along with DoTs ticking at the same time, it could have also been a fast combo of attacks. It also could have been lag making the abilities appear to queue up all at once. People do use macros but typically for things like robotic LA weaving or bash cancelling. There is a global cool down of 1 second and macros cannot help you bypass that so they don’t help a bunch of abilities land all at once. Imo get off the cheating wagon and instead focus on learning to play the game well.

Mariusghost84

Vapirko wrote: »

If you really want an opinion you can try using Shadowplay or something and then post the clip here to ask what people think. Lots of people swear that cheating is rampant but I disagree and a lot of experienced players will tell you that real cheating does happen but it’s relatively very rare. It’s very easy to nearly one shot inexperienced players in no CP. Also it probably wasn’t a one shot. It could have been something like big ult along with DoTs ticking at the same time, it could have also been a fast combo of attacks. It also could have been lag making the abilities appear to queue up all at once. People do use macros but typically for things like robotic LA weaving or bash cancelling. There is a global cool down of 1 second and macros cannot help you bypass that so they don’t help a bunch of abilities land all at once. Imo get off the cheating wagon and instead focus on learning to play the game well.

Thank you for your response. That was reassuring. I will start filming the cases i suspect something suspicious is going on!

scubasteve28

If you're on pc you can download combat metrics and set a key bind for combat statistics. It will show you what hit you and for how much as well as if it crit or not.

Odovacar

Highly likely nobody is cheating. I never say never but highly unlikely, imo.

Ysbriel

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Sometimes i come across players that 1 shot me and just seem to do insane amount of damage. I dont know if cheating is a thing in this game, but is there a way to spot someone that does cheat? Is that even a thing? Ive heard people mention "Macros" - i dont know what that is - i used macros a lot in wow , but apparently this is a bad thing in ESO?

Are you wearing your gear with impenetrable trait on BG?

ChunkyCat

If you see me in a BG, and I’m losing, then you know for sure the other team is cheating.

You’re welcome.

Neoealth

I think it's the NB they have builds that unload a ton of damage in an instant from a sneak attack. It is really quite unfair as there is very little to nothing you can do if it happens to you, at least in my experience.

rfennell_ESO

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Sometimes i come across players that 1 shot me and just seem to do insane amount of damage. I dont know if cheating is a thing in this game, but is there a way to spot someone that does cheat? Is that even a thing? Ive heard people mention "Macros" - i dont know what that is - i used macros a lot in wow , but apparently this is a bad thing in ESO?

I can tell what the answer isn't. It isn't come to the forums and expect to not be attacked and belittled and have the slew of deniers deny any possibility of cheating in game with little to no active cheat scanning.

CaffeinatedMayhem

Most cheats aren't for damage stacking... lag and good timing of attacks (like warden's shalk/Dizzy/dawnbreaker combo) will do it for you.

Cheating is watching a player glitch themselves (intentionally) inside a wall where they can attack you, but you cannot attack them. Or using Templar skills with a Sorc pet out. (yes, saw it years ago, pretty sure it's fixed now)

Iskiab

If macros are cheating then there definitely are cheaters. You can spot them because you’ll see no animations ever. No amount of being good will allow perfectly timed light attacks and animation cancelling... always surrounding stamina burst combos.

FakeFox

Macros is something that is often brought up when people don't understand what is going on. But while macros are not allowed in ESO they are basically not a thing anyway. Macros in this game can't do anything that a player can't simply do without, they can't work around global cool downs, etc. If you experience very high damage in a very short time this is usually players that know how to properly weave and animation cancel, combining a skill with attacks that are not on the same global cooldown like light attacks and bashing and additionally often wear sets with a damage proc. If you analyse the incoming damage and this is not the case, it is likely multiple attacks were hitting at the same due to performance problems. Cheating and exploiting does exist in ESO, but it happens so rarely that it is very unlikely to be the reason.

kargen27

FakeFox wrote: »

Macros is something that is often brought up when people don't understand what is going on. But while macros are not allowed in ESO they are basically not a thing anyway. Macros in this game can't do anything that a player can't simply do without, they can't work around global cool downs, etc. If you experience very high damage in a very short time this is usually players that know how to properly weave and animation cancel, combining a skill with attacks that are not on the same global cooldown like light attacks and bashing and additionally often wear sets with a damage proc. If you analyse the incoming damage and this is not the case, it is likely multiple attacks were hitting at the same due to performance problems. Cheating and exploiting does exist in ESO, but it happens so rarely that it is very unlikely to be the reason.

This isn't entirely true as macros do help with timing. The better the player the less a macro will help and there is a point where a player becomes good enough the macro offers no help. I know a couple of players that use light attack macros and they are a huge help for them. The players both have arthritis in their hands so kind of an extreme example of a macro helping but it illustrates the point that macros do help and can give advantage over players that do not use them.

xxthir13enxx

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

People do high dps..must be cheating!

Not saying that. Most of the times i get melted and i know they arnt cheating. But when a NB 1 shots me in less than a sec et im beginning to wonder.

I’m a lil confused...if by 1shot you mean a single skill...what was that skill?
As in...what did you death recap show?
But there are multiple ways to legit stack attacks so that the DoTs all land/trigger relatively at the same time
But there are also skills like Snipe that are/have been broken and desync and land at same time when they actually shouldn’t

Mariusghost84

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

People do high dps..must be cheating!

Not saying that. Most of the times i get melted and i know they arnt cheating. But when a NB 1 shots me in less than a sec et im beginning to wonder.

I’m a lil confused...if by 1shot you mean a single skill...what was that skill?
As in...what did you death recap show?
But there are multiple ways to legit stack attacks so that the DoTs all land/trigger relatively at the same time
But there are also skills like Snipe that are/have been broken and desync and land at same time when they actually shouldn’t

The skill i was talking about was actually snipe. Im gonna try to save the logs next time this happend.

Girl_Number8

You should post your gear and build for help and some pointers.

If you are very experienced in PvP you can kill people insanely fast but it takes lots of practice, well at least before the dot meta.

Tsar_Gekkou

If you're lucky they'll be blatant about it. I saw a StamDK in bgs one time using crystal frags and dropping meteors that would one-shot people through block. He later admitted to using cheat engine, but i'm not sure if anything ever happened to him.

xxthir13enxx

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

People do high dps..must be cheating!

Not saying that. Most of the times i get melted and i know they arnt cheating. But when a NB 1 shots me in less than a sec et im beginning to wonder.

I’m a lil confused...if by 1shot you mean a single skill...what was that skill?
As in...what did you death recap show?
But there are multiple ways to legit stack attacks so that the DoTs all land/trigger relatively at the same time
But there are also skills like Snipe that are/have been broken and desync and land at same time when they actually shouldn’t

The skill i was talking about was actually snipe. Im gonna try to save the logs next time this happend.

Oh okay than...
Ya this is a known issue...that ZoS attempts to fix but never does
On the attackers screen...they fire off multiple Snipes...all looks normal
On your screen...you hear a single snipe than you die...than you hear rest of Snipes land...
It is broken and has been for years
Defensively you need to watch for incoming attack icons to appear and when you hear that First snipe sound
Dodgeroll
Just gotta train yourself to do it reflexively
Spot the sniper n Stun/charge them
It’s crap...but ZoS just not fixing it

Hexquisite

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

People do high dps..must be cheating!

Not saying that. Most of the times i get melted and i know they arnt cheating. But when a NB 1 shots me in less than a sec et im beginning to wonder.

THere are a couple skills that cause Health Desync right now, and they are being abused. With health desync, you don't even know you are taking damage, your full, and then dead.

Canned_Apples

Usually it's a combination of Clever Alchemist, Master's Bow, and some other set.

Vapirko

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

People do high dps..must be cheating!

Not saying that. Most of the times i get melted and i know they arnt cheating. But when a NB 1 shots me in less than a sec et im beginning to wonder.

I’m a lil confused...if by 1shot you mean a single skill...what was that skill?
As in...what did you death recap show?
But there are multiple ways to legit stack attacks so that the DoTs all land/trigger relatively at the same time
But there are also skills like Snipe that are/have been broken and desync and land at same time when they actually shouldn’t

The skill i was talking about was actually snipe. Im gonna try to save the logs next time this happend.

Yes this skill is notoriously bugged. It causes large amounts of lags as well as health desyncs and will appear as if you’ve been insta-killed. It’s been known for a long time and ZOS has been unable to fix it though apparently they’ve tried. Snipe can also be very hard hitting in no CP anyway. But this is a great example of how jumping to the conclusion of cheating is almost always false.

FakeFox

kargen27 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Macros is something that is often brought up when people don't understand what is going on. But while macros are not allowed in ESO they are basically not a thing anyway. Macros in this game can't do anything that a player can't simply do without, they can't work around global cool downs, etc. If you experience very high damage in a very short time this is usually players that know how to properly weave and animation cancel, combining a skill with attacks that are not on the same global cooldown like light attacks and bashing and additionally often wear sets with a damage proc. If you analyse the incoming damage and this is not the case, it is likely multiple attacks were hitting at the same due to performance problems. Cheating and exploiting does exist in ESO, but it happens so rarely that it is very unlikely to be the reason.

This isn't entirely true as macros do help with timing. The better the player the less a macro will help and there is a point where a player becomes good enough the macro offers no help. I know a couple of players that use light attack macros and they are a huge help for them. The players both have arthritis in their hands so kind of an extreme example of a macro helping but it illustrates the point that macros do help and can give advantage over players that do not use them.

Disabled people are a tiny minority and since they use it to counter a disability and not to gain unfair advantages I don't think they are going to cause issues.

SosRuvaak

exploits are more common than cheats, but you cant outrule the fact cheaters exist in pc games more than anywhere.

OlumoGarbag

In years of eso and years in PvP i have only once seen someone actually cheat (that russian invisible/out of map cheat)
Other then that very obvious cheat i guarantee you that everything you think is cheats, is actually one of those things:
-skill/gear/cp gap
-lag
-perfect oneshot combo
-health desync
Anyone saying something else is just plainly clueless. Cheat engine detect actually works.

nafensoriel

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Sometimes i come across players that 1 shot me and just seem to do insane amount of damage. I dont know if cheating is a thing in this game, but is there a way to spot someone that does cheat? Is that even a thing? Ive heard people mention "Macros" - i dont know what that is - i used macros a lot in wow , but apparently this is a bad thing in ESO?

There is no way you, the player, can actually confirm or deny a cheat user period dot end. Anything you see from your client can be explained by bugs, network glitches, etc etc etc. Even a video is not the "final word" though it can be a great place for a programmer to see where their code might be exploited.

Realistically the "best" cheaters in any video game do not do "super" cheats. Super is easy. It is as visible as a 1m lumen spotlight to the eyeballs. What "real" cheaters do is cheat by inches. Say you could give yourself optimal stamina regen. This would be dam**d hard to prove but it could provide a huge advantage depending on how it was used.

SosRuvaak

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

In years of eso and years in PvP i have only once seen someone actually cheat (that russian invisible/out of map cheat)
Other then that very obvious cheat i guarantee you that everything you think is cheats, is actually one of those things:
-skill/gear/cp gap
-lag
-perfect oneshot combo
-health desync
Anyone saying something else is just plainly clueless. Cheat engine detect actually works.

this one thinks you need to pvp more

OlumoGarbag

SosRuvaak wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

In years of eso and years in PvP i have only once seen someone actually cheat (that russian invisible/out of map cheat)
Other then that very obvious cheat i guarantee you that everything you think is cheats, is actually one of those things:
-skill/gear/cp gap
-lag
-perfect oneshot combo
-health desync
Anyone saying something else is just plainly clueless. Cheat engine detect actually works.

this one thinks you need to pvp more

Clueless plebs being clueless plebs...
There are almost no cheats. Only exploits and trust me is tested alot of exploits.

Ackwalan

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

SosRuvaak wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

In years of eso and years in PvP i have only once seen someone actually cheat (that russian invisible/out of map cheat)
Other then that very obvious cheat i guarantee you that everything you think is cheats, is actually one of those things:
-skill/gear/cp gap
-lag
-perfect oneshot combo
-health desync
Anyone saying something else is just plainly clueless. Cheat engine detect actually works.

this one thinks you need to pvp more

Clueless plebs being clueless plebs...
There are almost no cheats. Only exploits and trust me is tested alot of exploits.

Exploiting is cheating.

SosRuvaak

i remember when exploits were the only way to win.
dragon leaps, nightblade teleporting, sorc bs.....
this game has never been without exploits in pvp, it is 100% a way of cheating, but not hacking.

Ackwalan wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

SosRuvaak wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

In years of eso and years in PvP i have only once seen someone actually cheat (that russian invisible/out of map cheat)
Other then that very obvious cheat i guarantee you that everything you think is cheats, is actually one of those things:
-skill/gear/cp gap
-lag
-perfect oneshot combo
-health desync
Anyone saying something else is just plainly clueless. Cheat engine detect actually works.

this one thinks you need to pvp more

Clueless plebs being clueless plebs...
There are almost no cheats. Only exploits and trust me is tested alot of exploits.

Exploiting is cheating.