Why the change to northern storm.

FrostFallFox

Very disappointing

mikemacon

Cake runs monkeys.

UrbanMonk

FrostFallFox wrote: »

Very disappointing

This.

Why they have to go and change skills which are working fine and no one is crying about?

8% extra mag - I'd rather have this than 15% for 30 sec.
50% Damage reduction? Frost damage is crap. This ulti was a good mix of decent offence + defence. There is no reason to reduce damage. The only place it'll end up now is in Trash can.

xWarbrain

Guys don't worry. There's an obvious solution to our Northern Storm problem!

A skill line that passively provides more max mag by slotting two of its skills is available....

….For the low price of only 3000 Crowns! Slot Meteor/Inner Light.

$$$$$$$$

DoonerSeraph

UrbanMonk wrote: »

FrostFallFox wrote: »

Very disappointing

This.

Why they have to go and change skills which are working fine and no one is crying about?

8% extra mag - I'd rather have this than 15% for 30 sec.
50% Damage reduction? Frost damage is crap. This ulti was a good mix of decent offence + defence. There is no reason to reduce damage. The only place it'll end up now is in Trash can.

AFAIK its only Permafrost who got hit with the 50% nerf.

DoonerSeraph

Also, I think Northern should be ranged, like a better version of Icy Rage. Not sure how the uptime is there, but staying at almost melee range to deal an underwhelming amount of damage does not sound great.

HankTwo

DoonerSeraph wrote: »

UrbanMonk wrote: »

FrostFallFox wrote: »

Very disappointing

This.

Why they have to go and change skills which are working fine and no one is crying about?

8% extra mag - I'd rather have this than 15% for 30 sec.
50% Damage reduction? Frost damage is crap. This ulti was a good mix of decent offence + defence. There is no reason to reduce damage. The only place it'll end up now is in Trash can.

AFAIK its only Permafrost who got hit with the 50% nerf.

This. It seems like the OP is overreacting because he didn't read carefully enough...

BattleAxe

Max mag increased by 15% for 30 seconds and this isn’t only on that bar this applies to both front and back bar that is actually a buff when you think on it.

DoonerSeraph

BattleAxe wrote: »

Max mag increased by 15% for 30 seconds and this isn’t only on that bar this applies to both front and back bar that is actually a buff when you think on it.

Depends on uptime, if you have it over roughly 50%, its a buff, less its a nerf.

Araxleon

It's actually quite the buff 15% is insane...ima hit like a truck lol.

BattleAxe

DoonerSeraph wrote: »

BattleAxe wrote: »

Max mag increased by 15% for 30 seconds and this isn’t only on that bar this applies to both front and back bar that is actually a buff when you think on it.

Depends on uptime, if you have it over roughly 50%, its a buff, less its a nerf.

Wardens have very good ultimate generation so uptime should be well over 50% in pvp magden bombers are gonna be brutal. Pve this will help bring magden dps up some

RighteousBacon

xWarbrain wrote: »

Guys don't worry. There's an obvious solution to our Northern Storm problem!

A skill line that passively provides more max mag by slotting two of its skills is available....

….For the low price of only 3000 Crowns! Slot Meteor/Inner Light.

$$$$$$$$

Hold up, this guy’s onto something here.

UrbanMonk

Has there been any change to Fethcher Infection damage?

Edit- NM. jsut saw the damage is reduced by 50% for this skill and morphs.

Jodynn

So it lasts for 30 seconds

15% instead of 8%

Ultimate regens 3 every second as long as you light/heavy attack

Northern storm costs 200

This makes 67 seconds to restore your ultimate

so uptime max will be at max 0.44

15% * 0.44 = 6%, which is less than it was passively.

The ONLY benefit this gives you is timing shields and burst damage will warhorn and major vuln; but at a total loss, so unless the burst is more than 0.75%, this is seen as a nerf.

UrbanMonk

From another post of mine-




Apparently for 30 sec you get ~4% dmg boost after using Northern storm but rest of the time you are playing with ~4% less damage, which seems to me overall a Damage nerf. This forces you to use ultis ASAP rather than strategically using them when needed.

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

So it lasts for 30 seconds

15% instead of 8%

Ultimate regens 3 every second as long as you light/heavy attack

Northern storm costs 200

This makes 67 seconds to restore your ultimate

so uptime max will be at max 0.44

15% * 0.44 = 6%, which is less than it was passively.

The ONLY benefit this gives you is timing shields and burst damage will warhorn and major vuln; but at a total loss, so unless the burst is more than 0.75%, this is seen as a nerf.

Apparently you are on Point. Considering 67 sec for ulti gen as Ideal time, in real it'll be even worse.

DoonerSeraph

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

So it lasts for 30 seconds

15% instead of 8%

Ultimate regens 3 every second as long as you light/heavy attack

Northern storm costs 200

This makes 67 seconds to restore your ultimate

so uptime max will be at max 0.44

15% * 0.44 = 6%, which is less than it was passively.

The ONLY benefit this gives you is timing shields and burst damage will warhorn and major vuln; but at a total loss, so unless the burst is more than 0.75%, this is seen as a nerf.

How does it look if you account for the Savage Beast passsive? I don't remember exactly how's the ultigen on that one.

Rianai

Keeping base ulti gen up during combat is very easy and warden has access to major herosim and additional ultigen from various passives, then there are also sets which grant aditional ult, so more than 50% uptime isn't unrealistic at all, especially in PvP.

Still, warden's storm was fine and should have been left alone instead of buffing and nerfing it back and forth - like so many other skills too.

JusticeSouldier

lol, it's cool change. current nothern storm is freaking zergball hole in gameplay.
especially when many classes hadn't any option to counter snares and roots.
it deserved to be even overnerfed.

Heatnix90

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

lol, it's cool change. current nothern storm is freaking zergball hole in gameplay.
especially when many classes hadn't any option to counter snares and roots.
it deserved to be even overnerfed.

No one tell this man about RAT

@FrostFallFox the devs need to fill their quota of "completely random, unnecessary changes" for the Update.

FrancisCrawford

As people have noted above, this is a nerf to damage for the bar Northern Storm is on, but a buff to damage on the other bar, ASSUMING YOU ARE CASTING THE SKILL ON COOLDOWN.

And by the way -- as long as there is any range requirement for Birds, Northern Storm and Birds will work awkwardly together anyway.

Suggestion: BUFF THE RADIUS FOR NORTHERN STORM SUBSTANTIALLY and otherwise keep the changes as is.

Heatnix90

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

As people have noted above, this is a nerf to damage for the bar Northern Storm is on, but a buff to damage on the other bar, ASSUMING YOU ARE CASTING THE SKILL ON COOLDOWN.

And by the way -- as long as there is any range requirement for Birds, Northern Storm and Birds will work awkwardly together anyway.

Suggestion: BUFF THE RADIUS FOR NORTHERN STORM SUBSTANTIALLY and otherwise keep the changes as is.

Lmao Sleet Storm does NOT need a bigger radius, it's large enough as it is.

JusticeSouldier

Heatnix90 wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

lol, it's cool change. current nothern storm is freaking zergball hole in gameplay.
especially when many classes hadn't any option to counter snares and roots.
it deserved to be even overnerfed.

No one tell this man about RAT

@FrostFallFox the devs need to fill their quota of "completely random, unnecessary changes" for the Update.

RAT? lol.
It snares, it procs chilled status effect, and it stuns at 3d tick.
+ does good aoe damage and provides a zerg for Major Protection during all it's duration.
Do u understand that RAT counters only snare and root components of it's functionality for 2 seconds?
Same as forward momentum for 4 seconds.
Shuffle and Phantasmalescape also add aoe reduction, but it doesn't help when zergball runs with nothernstorm over your head.

I repeat, I'm very glad this skill will be nerfed in next patch, but I wish it to be nerfed more.
It deserved that for a very long time of broken gameplay.

fred4

xWarbrain wrote: »

Guys don't worry. There's an obvious solution to our Northern Storm problem!

A skill line that passively provides more max mag by slotting two of its skills is available....

….For the low price of only 3000 Crowns! Slot Meteor/Inner Light.

$$$$$$$$

Complete BS. You use Northern Storm in ADDITION to Inner Light to make a 50K+ max mag shielding build. You were already fairly constrained in your bar layout with such a build. It was a fair tradeoff that, to my knowledge, no one complained about.

I can understand the rationale of not having to double-slot it for the magicka on both bars, but honestly that was a non-issue for this particular skill. ZOS are also being really inconsistent. Bird of Prey gave Minor Berserk while active. Now it's while slotted. That was a nerf for anyone having it on the back bar, because how many passive / utility skills can you fit on the front bar? Ultis are a different story, though. From my point of view both of these changes are / were wrong. Bird of Prey is better off as a duration-based skill, Northern Storm as a passive one. Why change? Makes no sense. No one has put magden at the top of the PvP heap, ever. These are / were possibly well-meaning, but ill-conceived nerfs, IMO.

FrancisCrawford

Heatnix90 wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

As people have noted above, this is a nerf to damage for the bar Northern Storm is on, but a buff to damage on the other bar, ASSUMING YOU ARE CASTING THE SKILL ON COOLDOWN.

And by the way -- as long as there is any range requirement for Birds, Northern Storm and Birds will work awkwardly together anyway.

Suggestion: BUFF THE RADIUS FOR NORTHERN STORM SUBSTANTIALLY and otherwise keep the changes as is.

Lmao Sleet Storm does NOT need a bigger radius, it's large enough as it is.

Really? In what PvE build do Northern Storm and Birds make sense together after these changes? Or, if you prefer, what would be a Magden build that has advantages vs. other classes without using both those skills?

Drako_Ei

Becuse PvE magdens were overperforming, they took 8% of the max magicka away from magden DPS, to ensure they dont eclipse other builds in trials, such as stamcro

FrancisCrawford

Drako_Ei wrote: »

Becuse PvE magdens were overperforming, they took 8% of the max magicka away from magden DPS, to ensure they dont eclipse other builds in trials, such as stamcro

LOL!

_Ahala_

Um... try the changes before you bash them. Northern storm now brings some serious aoe burst potential with a mag stack build and now gives lasting benefit even when your initial cast is kitted... 30s of 15% max magicka. Magden can now (situationally) build the most max mag now which is nothing to sneeze on. And permafrost was gonna be really overpowered with 50% extra duration, chill on every tick (frost blockade and force pulse anyone?) and the 70% snare... it most likely would have led to a nerf whiplash so bad magden wouldn’t have seen the light of day for a year.

Too much of the cryomancer identity and power was in this one ult and not enough in the skills or passives. If you want a dps cryomancer to be a reality outside of sleet storm maybe you should ask for dps oriented improvements to things like the currently unreliable delayed arctic blast, the underwhelming and boring winters revenge, the dead morphs that are expansive frost cloak and frozen retreat, the weak frost “destruction” staff passives, and underwhelming winters embrace passives like glacial presence, icy aura, and frozen armor.

DaNnYtHePcFrEaK

This was a decent ulti for warden healers... looks like the trees are back...

LeHarrt91

Drako_Ei wrote: »

Becuse PvE magdens were overperforming, they took 8% of the max magicka away from magden DPS, to ensure they dont eclipse other builds in trials, such as stamcro

Umm, are you being serious? Every Warden uses the Bear in PvE

LeHarrt91

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

lol, it's cool change. current nothern storm is freaking zergball hole in gameplay.
especially when many classes hadn't any option to counter snares and roots.
it deserved to be even overnerfed.

No one tell this man about RAT

@FrostFallFox the devs need to fill their quota of "completely random, unnecessary changes" for the Update.

RAT? lol.
It snares, it procs chilled status effect, and it stuns at 3d tick.
+ does good aoe damage and provides a zerg for Major Protection during all it's duration.
Do u understand that RAT counters only snare and root components of it's functionality for 2 seconds?
Same as forward momentum for 4 seconds.
Shuffle and Phantasmalescape also add aoe reduction, but it doesn't help when zergball runs with nothernstorm over your head.

I repeat, I'm very glad this skill will be nerfed in next patch, but I wish it to be nerfed more.
It deserved that for a very long time of broken gameplay.

You havent read all the patch notes then, Permafrost (the only morph that use to stun) has had the stun removed and put on Arctic Blast. Permafrost, will only snare, apply chilled and has had a 50% damage reduction. it is literally just a defensive/ tank morph.
So Race Against Time (RAT) and Shuffle (25% aoe reduction as well) and Forward Momentum will work against both morphs of this ultimate.

ArchMikem

Sounds like a nerf to Ice Mage builds.