BIS skills and sets

ThePhantomThorn · September 2019

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

LiquidPony · September 2019

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

ThePhantomThorn · September 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

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ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

LiquidPony · September 2019

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

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LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

I'm saying Venom Arrow is a utility skill. It's the bow interrupt. It's not "useless" just like Crushing Shock is not useless.

And all-stam vAS/vCR has been a thing for quite a while.

Davadin · September 2019

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

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LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

Uppercut is a good example. Both morph are good. 1 is "BIS" to execute in PvP another is (almost) "BIS" in 2H PvE.

But careful what u wish for.

U can have a skill where both morph becomes useless.....

#StoneFistSucks

ThePhantomThorn · September 2019

Davadin wrote: »

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ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

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ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

Uppercut is a good example. Both morph are good. 1 is "BIS" to execute in PvP another is (almost) "BIS" in 2H PvE.

But careful what u wish for.

U can have a skill where both morph becomes useless.....

#StoneFistSucks

I mean that both morphs are equally useful
Like when was the last time u saw a player use berserk rage

OG_Kaveman · September 2019

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

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Davadin wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

Uppercut is a good example. Both morph are good. 1 is "BIS" to execute in PvP another is (almost) "BIS" in 2H PvE.

But careful what u wish for.

U can have a skill where both morph becomes useless.....

#StoneFistSucks

I mean that both morphs are equally useful
Like when was the last time u saw a player use berserk rage

I play exclusively pve, I never see anyone use either morph. Same with rend, sometimes ballista, what do you say about that?

ThePhantomThorn · September 2019

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

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ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

Uppercut is a good example. Both morph are good. 1 is "BIS" to execute in PvP another is (almost) "BIS" in 2H PvE.

But careful what u wish for.

U can have a skill where both morph becomes useless.....

#StoneFistSucks

I mean that both morphs are equally useful
Like when was the last time u saw a player use berserk rage

I play exclusively pve, I never see anyone use either morph. Same with rend, sometimes ballista, what do you say about that?

Exactly what I mean. A lot of skills are useless for pve but good for pvp but some are just underwhelming.
Like rend and morphs.

Olupajmibanan · September 2019

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OG_Kaveman wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

Uppercut is a good example. Both morph are good. 1 is "BIS" to execute in PvP another is (almost) "BIS" in 2H PvE.

But careful what u wish for.

U can have a skill where both morph becomes useless.....

#StoneFistSucks

I mean that both morphs are equally useful
Like when was the last time u saw a player use berserk rage

I play exclusively pve, I never see anyone use either morph. Same with rend, sometimes ballista, what do you say about that?

Exactly what I mean. A lot of skills are useless for pve but good for pvp but some are just underwhelming.
Like rend and morphs.

We should focus on morphs that have no use in PvE neither in PvP.

OG_Kaveman · September 2019

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OG_Kaveman wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

Uppercut is a good example. Both morph are good. 1 is "BIS" to execute in PvP another is (almost) "BIS" in 2H PvE.

But careful what u wish for.

U can have a skill where both morph becomes useless.....

#StoneFistSucks

I mean that both morphs are equally useful
Like when was the last time u saw a player use berserk rage

I play exclusively pve, I never see anyone use either morph. Same with rend, sometimes ballista, what do you say about that?

Exactly what I mean. A lot of skills are useless for pve but good for pvp but some are just underwhelming.
Like rend and morphs.

No, you are going on about one morph over another, eg, bersker rage vs onslaught and wrecking blow vs dizzying swing. Whole sale skills, like all morphs of berserker strike just are not used in pve.

And for the record, I am fine with that, not all skills need to be used everywhere.

Epicasballs · September 2019

For solo pvp berserker strike is the better morph in my experience.When you're outnumbered the extra resists and CC immunity help secure more kills than Onslaught. Spriggans Mual makes it pack all the punch it needs. Morphs are contextual. Some fulfill niches that are necessary.

nryerson1025 · September 2019

Berserk strike is incredibly useful--i just started using it a few days ago and love it

Luckylancer · September 2019

Davadin wrote: »

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ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

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ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

#StoneFistSucks

There are some skills that have equal morps. Twin slashes and lightnin escape morps are boht good and player decide which one to use. Venom arrow is extremely niche on pve and useless in pvp. Reverse execute seems like good idea.

Wrecking blow vs D swing is "balance PvE and PvP diffrent" thing. Ypu use same skill, it stuns in PvP and deals more damage on PvE.

ThePhantomThorn · September 2019

Luckylancer wrote: »

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Davadin wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

#StoneFistSucks

There are some skills that have equal morps. Twin slashes and lightnin escape morps are boht good and player decide which one to use. Venom arrow is extremely niche on pve and useless in pvp. Reverse execute seems like good idea.

Wrecking blow vs D swing is "balance PvE and PvP diffrent" thing. Ypu use same skill, it stuns in PvP and deals more damage on PvE.

Finally some1 who gets it

Alidel · September 2019

Weapon and guild skills are in the relatively good shape (I mean both morphs are useable to some degree even if in niche situation), lots of class skills for various classes aren't though. I mean there are some skills that aren't sued neither in pve, pvp, or even niche builds and this is an issue.

Xvorg · September 2019

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

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LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

Venom arrow is the archer choice to interrupt a sorc hardcasting frags or using crystal blast.

Xvorg · September 2019

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

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Luckylancer wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

#StoneFistSucks

There are some skills that have equal morps. Twin slashes and lightnin escape morps are boht good and player decide which one to use. Venom arrow is extremely niche on pve and useless in pvp. Reverse execute seems like good idea.

Wrecking blow vs D swing is "balance PvE and PvP diffrent" thing. Ypu use same skill, it stuns in PvP and deals more damage on PvE.

Finally some1 who gets it

I think you are getting half of the picture. Those skills you mentioned do have uses. It is much better compared to things like old Molten whip which was inferior compared to Flame lash, which provided nothing in PvP or PvE (it was used in PvE just because it didn't consume the off balance status, but it was bad).

Mayrael · September 2019

You came here and claim that some morphs of skills are bad in PvP, but it doesn't mean they are bad in general because some of them are quite good in PvE. Not every skill/morph should be good in PvP or PvE, some of them are made for just one strict type of gameplay. Like detection skills or siege skills in eyes of PvEr can look pretty bad.

ThePhantomThorn · September 2019

Mayrael wrote: »

You came here and claim that some morphs of skills are bad in PvP, but it doesn't mean they are bad in general because some of them are quite good in PvE. Not every skill/morph should be good in PvP or PvE, some of them are made for just one strict type of gameplay. Like detection skills or siege skills in eyes of PvEr can look pretty bad.

I’m saying that a lot of morphs are completely useless outside of certain conditions.
Also people seem to have forgotten about the part with endgame build variety in dps

DivineFirstYOLO · September 2019

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

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ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

Uppercut is a good example. Both morph are good. 1 is "BIS" to execute in PvP another is (almost) "BIS" in 2H PvE.

But careful what u wish for.

U can have a skill where both morph becomes useless.....

#StoneFistSucks

I mean that both morphs are equally useful
Like when was the last time u saw a player use berserk rage

I play exclusively pve, I never see anyone use either morph. Same with rend, sometimes ballista, what do you say about that?

Exactly what I mean. A lot of skills are useless for pve but good for pvp but some are just underwhelming.
Like rend and morphs.

We should focus on morphs that have no use in PvE neither in PvP.

^ this!
same goes for sets by the way.

Diarf · September 2019

If you think WB and Berserker in PvP is usuless you're wrong.

ShadowKyuubi · September 2019

Ignorance ~= BiS

ThePhantomThorn · September 2019

Diarf wrote: »

If you think WB and Berserker in PvP is usuless you're wrong.

Compare berserk rage to onslaught. Enough said

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

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Olupajmibanan wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

Uppercut is a good example. Both morph are good. 1 is "BIS" to execute in PvP another is (almost) "BIS" in 2H PvE.

But careful what u wish for.

U can have a skill where both morph becomes useless.....

#StoneFistSucks

I mean that both morphs are equally useful
Like when was the last time u saw a player use berserk rage

I play exclusively pve, I never see anyone use either morph. Same with rend, sometimes ballista, what do you say about that?

Exactly what I mean. A lot of skills are useless for pve but good for pvp but some are just underwhelming.
Like rend and morphs.

We should focus on morphs that have no use in PvE neither in PvP.

^ this!
same goes for sets by the way.

Exactly
I think zos should prioritise balance and variety over new dlc

Xvorg · September 2019

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

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Mayrael wrote: »

You came here and claim that some morphs of skills are bad in PvP, but it doesn't mean they are bad in general because some of them are quite good in PvE. Not every skill/morph should be good in PvP or PvE, some of them are made for just one strict type of gameplay. Like detection skills or siege skills in eyes of PvEr can look pretty bad.

I’m saying that a lot of morphs are completely useless outside of certain conditions.
Also people seem to have forgotten about the part with endgame build variety in dps

whip is useless when facing ane enemy 41 mts again. That's a special condition. Is the skill bad for that?

WB is useless in PvP since the light attack dmg is too slow sues to Battle Spirit. Does it mean it is bad in PvE?

All skill must be used under certain conditions. No one will ever use BoL when full health.

ThePhantomThorn · September 2019

Xvorg wrote: »

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ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

You came here and claim that some morphs of skills are bad in PvP, but it doesn't mean they are bad in general because some of them are quite good in PvE. Not every skill/morph should be good in PvP or PvE, some of them are made for just one strict type of gameplay. Like detection skills or siege skills in eyes of PvEr can look pretty bad.

I’m saying that a lot of morphs are completely useless outside of certain conditions.
Also people seem to have forgotten about the part with endgame build variety in dps

whip is useless when facing ane enemy 41 mts again. That's a special condition. Is the skill bad for that?

WB is useless in PvP since the light attack dmg is too slow sues to Battle Spirit. Does it mean it is bad in PvE?

All skill must be used under certain conditions. No one will ever use BoL when full health.

I mean that if a skill is good for 1 thing, that doesn’t make it balanced.
Whip isn’t good for aoe but it is good for single target. Venom arrow is only useful in certain conditions like vAS on a stam group as mentioned above

bulcke10 · September 2019

I agree with you 🙂 the old onslaught back would be nice 👍 and other skills you says are verry good

SirMewser · September 2019

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

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LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

They were all bad examples.

ThePhantomThorn · September 2019

SirMewser wrote: »

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ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

They were all bad examples.

Lol

Epicasballs · September 2019

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

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Diarf wrote: »

If you think WB and Berserker in PvP is usuless you're wrong.

Compare berserk rage to onslaught. Enough said
show previous quotes

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

Uppercut is a good example. Both morph are good. 1 is "BIS" to execute in PvP another is (almost) "BIS" in 2H PvE.

But careful what u wish for.

U can have a skill where both morph becomes useless.....

#StoneFistSucks

I mean that both morphs are equally useful
Like when was the last time u saw a player use berserk rage

I play exclusively pve, I never see anyone use either morph. Same with rend, sometimes ballista, what do you say about that?

Exactly what I mean. A lot of skills are useless for pve but good for pvp but some are just underwhelming.
Like rend and morphs.

We should focus on morphs that have no use in PvE neither in PvP.

^ this!
same goes for sets by the way.

Exactly
I think zos should prioritise balance and variety over new dlc

Onslaught is better on paper but Beserker is better in practice. Outnumbered Berserker lets you stay on offensive when you need to. Extra mitigation and CC immunity is far more valuable than a bit more damage. Countless times I've used an ult only to be CC'd right after and miss an opportunity to even the odds... Beserker Strike changed that for me.

ThePhantomThorn · September 2019

Epicasballs wrote: »

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ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

Diarf wrote: »

If you think WB and Berserker in PvP is usuless you're wrong.

Compare berserk rage to onslaught. Enough said

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

Uppercut is a good example. Both morph are good. 1 is "BIS" to execute in PvP another is (almost) "BIS" in 2H PvE.

But careful what u wish for.

U can have a skill where both morph becomes useless.....

#StoneFistSucks

I mean that both morphs are equally useful
Like when was the last time u saw a player use berserk rage

I play exclusively pve, I never see anyone use either morph. Same with rend, sometimes ballista, what do you say about that?

Exactly what I mean. A lot of skills are useless for pve but good for pvp but some are just underwhelming.
Like rend and morphs.

We should focus on morphs that have no use in PvE neither in PvP.

^ this!
same goes for sets by the way.

Exactly
I think zos should prioritise balance and variety over new dlc

Onslaught is better on paper but Beserker is better in practice. Outnumbered Berserker lets you stay on offensive when you need to. Extra mitigation and CC immunity is far more valuable than a bit more damage. Countless times I've used an ult only to be CC'd right after and miss an opportunity to even the odds... Beserker Strike changed that for me.

Still a refund was 1 of the reasons that onslaught was good at all. I really miss it. I used to use it as an execute so it would refund. Finish a kill from 40-30% hp. But the refund is what made it good

Epicasballs · September 2019

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If you think WB and Berserker in PvP is usuless you're wrong.

Compare berserk rage to onslaught. Enough said

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ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So a lot of skills have BIS morphs, but the other morphs can be very... disappointing in comparison.
Few examples:
-Venom arrow (other morph of pi)
-Berserk rage (other morph of onslaught )
-Wrecking blow (other morph of d swing)

This is just a small number of these useless skills/morphs. It would add more variety into the game if they had more unique effects

Some possible changes:
Berserk strike - put the refund on this morph so it can be used as pre scale onslaught
Venom arrow - increase dot tick depending on hp like a reverse execute
Wrecking blow - does more dmg than dizzy swing so better for a spammable

Same with sets.
For pve everyone knows about relequen and lokkestiz but what about other sets?
There are a lot of sets that are virtually pointless and have no use in any way.
Zos should change this so many sets and skills are just as good as each other. So no more 1 best setup for stam/mag dps that fits all. More variety plz

Wrecking Blow isn't useless at all. What? It's one of the strongest PvE spammables in the game. Its advantage over Dizzying Swing is that it grants Empower.

And Venom Arrow isn't useless either. It's kind of a niche skill but it's analogous to the difference between Force Pulse and Crushing Shock. Venom Arrow is the standard ranged stamina interrupt, useful for vAS with all-stam comps, vCR portal tank running bow backbar, etc.

So ur saying that venom arrow is as useful as pi?
Kinda talking about BIS with skills
Wrecking blow was a bad example tho. Was thinking as if pvp there

Also I thought people just went for full mag groups in vAS?

u can't have 2 morph both BIS. i'd rather have zero BIS skills, but both morphs are situational.

Uppercut is a good example. Both morph are good. 1 is "BIS" to execute in PvP another is (almost) "BIS" in 2H PvE.

But careful what u wish for.

U can have a skill where both morph becomes useless.....

#StoneFistSucks

I mean that both morphs are equally useful
Like when was the last time u saw a player use berserk rage

I play exclusively pve, I never see anyone use either morph. Same with rend, sometimes ballista, what do you say about that?

Exactly what I mean. A lot of skills are useless for pve but good for pvp but some are just underwhelming.
Like rend and morphs.

We should focus on morphs that have no use in PvE neither in PvP.

^ this!
same goes for sets by the way.

Exactly
I think zos should prioritise balance and variety over new dlc

Onslaught is better on paper but Beserker is better in practice. Outnumbered Berserker lets you stay on offensive when you need to. Extra mitigation and CC immunity is far more valuable than a bit more damage. Countless times I've used an ult only to be CC'd right after and miss an opportunity to even the odds... Beserker Strike changed that for me.

Still a refund was 1 of the reasons that onslaught was good at all. I really miss it. I used to use it as an execute so it would refund. Finish a kill from 40-30% hp. But the refund is what made it good

Yeah because 100% uptime on Balorgh monster set is fair and balanced. No. Beserker Strike is fine in its current form. More than fine actually.