Bring Checkmath back

BohnT2

Some time ago we lost a class rep as he got removed from our community.

He did a good service to the community and moderated the most constructive class discord with patience without prohibiting off topic discussions.

His service for us should be rewarded by bringing him back to our community as he would like to spend time on Eso again and there are many people in the PC EU community who would enjoy spending time with him again.

Also 1 player = 12*12€= 144€ every year quick (check)maths

Potato_Salad

Checkmath did a good service by ranting so much about magplars to the point where they became broken.

F to our fallen swiss boi hope he comes back.

Victor_Blade

Checkmath was a great and cheerful class rep who did a lot of the community while also maintaining one of the most constructive ( if not the only) class discussion server for the game.

A few mistakes were made but I think it has been enough punishment and he deserves to be brought back. If not for the community then as fellow gamers you know you can't just stay away from a game you've invested so much time into.

#BringCheckBack

StarOfElyon

yeah, I don't think the punishment fits the "crime".

Ragnaroek93

I'd support bringing him back. The notes got leaked only 2 days before it's official release, permabanning him for this looks unfair, considering how much he did for the community and the game.

MLGProPlayer

StarOfElyon wrote: »

yeah, I don't think the punishment fits the "crime".

Why was he banned?

Skysenzz

Like classrep ever mattered anyway.

nsmurfer

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

yeah, I don't think the punishment fits the "crime".

Why was he banned?

@MLGProPlayer Lets say he was the Julian Assange of ESO

Kadoin

nsmurfer wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

yeah, I don't think the punishment fits the "crime".

Why was he banned?

@MLGProPlayer He and Tasear were the ones who leaked the Scalebreaker notes.

Oi, the forum rules...

idk

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

yeah, I don't think the punishment fits the "crime".

Why was he banned?

Pretty sure it was around the time the patch notes were disseminated early. Those involved were banned from the forums but not sure about the game. What else was involved is clearly questionable. I think they already have an alt account in the forums as one person involved in that did post here via a different account.

Either way I do not expect Zos to change their mind due to this thread. If anything this thread will be closed.

idk

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I'd support bringing him back. The notes got leaked only 2 days before it's official release, permabanning him for this looks unfair, considering how much he did for the community and the game.

2 days or two weeks. They still violated a contractual agreement. He proved he could not be trusted. Being banned is pretty small.

VaranisArano

Look, it sucks that people you like broke the rules and got banned for it as a consequence of their actions.

That's on them. If they wanted to keep playing the game and doing their good work, there was an obvious choice: don't flagrantly break the rules by abusing their position of Class Rep. Duh.

It sucks for you, but they made their choice and we all have to deal with the consequences of their choice: they don't get to be a member of the community anymore.

ZOS was entirely correct to enforce their TOS and the agreement they had with the Class Reps.

starkerealm

idk wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I'd support bringing him back. The notes got leaked only 2 days before it's official release, permabanning him for this looks unfair, considering how much he did for the community and the game.

2 days or two weeks. They still violated a contractual agreement. He proved he could not be trusted. Being banned is pretty small.

Yeah, you do not want to breach NDAs. Especially not for petty stuff like this.

RebornRequiem

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, it sucks that people you like broke the rules and got banned for it as a consequence of their actions.

That's on them. If they wanted to keep playing the game and doing their good work, there was an obvious choice: don't flagrantly break the rules by abusing their position of Class Rep. Duh.

It sucks for you, but they made their choice and we all have to deal with the consequences of their choice: they don't get to be a member of the community anymore.

ZOS was entirely correct to enforce their TOS and the agreement they had with the Class Reps.

I do not think it is about what he has done, since many things can get you banned in a game. But OP and the people probably want him back, since he still is connected to the game and as a valued source of knowledge he could help out the community, being of value for ZOS too.

redspecter23

Don't break NDA and you won't get banned. Not much else to say. If ZOS goes easy on this, it sets a poor precedent.

VaranisArano

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, it sucks that people you like broke the rules and got banned for it as a consequence of their actions.

That's on them. If they wanted to keep playing the game and doing their good work, there was an obvious choice: don't flagrantly break the rules by abusing their position of Class Rep. Duh.

It sucks for you, but they made their choice and we all have to deal with the consequences of their choice: they don't get to be a member of the community anymore.

ZOS was entirely correct to enforce their TOS and the agreement they had with the Class Reps.

I do not think it is about what he has done, since many things can get you banned in a game. But OP and the people probably want him back, since he still is connected to the game and as a valued source of knowledge he could help out the community, being of value for ZOS too.

If continuing to help out the community was really important to Checkmath, they had an obvious choice: carry on with helping and don't break the NDA.

Checkmath chose differently, and rather definitively disqualified themself from the position from which they'd been helping the community.

Whether others in the community miss Checkmath or not, that really doesnt change the consequences of that decision.

idk

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, it sucks that people you like broke the rules and got banned for it as a consequence of their actions.

That's on them. If they wanted to keep playing the game and doing their good work, there was an obvious choice: don't flagrantly break the rules by abusing their position of Class Rep. Duh.

It sucks for you, but they made their choice and we all have to deal with the consequences of their choice: they don't get to be a member of the community anymore.

ZOS was entirely correct to enforce their TOS and the agreement they had with the Class Reps.

I do not think it is about what he has done, since many things can get you banned in a game. But OP and the people probably want him back, since he still is connected to the game and as a valued source of knowledge he could help out the community, being of value for ZOS too.

If continuing to help out the community was really important to Checkmath, they had an obvious choice: carry on with helping and don't break the NDA.

Checkmath chose differently, and rather definitively disqualified themself from the position from which they'd been helping the community.

Whether others in the community miss Checkmath or not, that really doesnt change the consequences of that decision.

Pretty much this. Put it this way.

What he did was not very bright. Getting banned was a pretty small price for a dumb choice.

RebornRequiem

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, it sucks that people you like broke the rules and got banned for it as a consequence of their actions.

That's on them. If they wanted to keep playing the game and doing their good work, there was an obvious choice: don't flagrantly break the rules by abusing their position of Class Rep. Duh.

It sucks for you, but they made their choice and we all have to deal with the consequences of their choice: they don't get to be a member of the community anymore.

ZOS was entirely correct to enforce their TOS and the agreement they had with the Class Reps.

I do not think it is about what he has done, since many things can get you banned in a game. But OP and the people probably want him back, since he still is connected to the game and as a valued source of knowledge he could help out the community, being of value for ZOS too.

If continuing to help out the community was really important to Checkmath, they had an obvious choice: carry on with helping and don't break the NDA.

Checkmath chose differently, and rather definitively disqualified themself from the position from which they'd been helping the community.

Whether others in the community miss Checkmath or not, that really doesnt change the consequences of that decision.

So I guess you know Checkmath or the devs to state those things above? The leak did not necessarely happen by intention or by ill meaning, maybe it even happened by good will. But I guess you are the one to judge stuff about you do not know much but the surface.

Also it looks like everybody in here is very familiar with the exact wordings of the NDA, which was put on the class reps.

What I know is, that Checkmath did a whole year of free community work for ZOS, was very active in several discords and forums and was ready to help out with questions. He created a really big discord server, which is still active and full of experienced players helping out each other.

He somehow broke the NDA, I do not know how, with what intent and on what scale he broke it, just that he did.

Cadbury

Why only support for Checkmath to come back, but not...the other person?

Edaphon

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, it sucks that people you like broke the rules and got banned for it as a consequence of their actions.

That's on them. If they wanted to keep playing the game and doing their good work, there was an obvious choice: don't flagrantly break the rules by abusing their position of Class Rep. Duh.

It sucks for you, but they made their choice and we all have to deal with the consequences of their choice: they don't get to be a member of the community anymore.

ZOS was entirely correct to enforce their TOS and the agreement they had with the Class Reps.

I do not think it is about what he has done, since many things can get you banned in a game. But OP and the people probably want him back, since he still is connected to the game and as a valued source of knowledge he could help out the community, being of value for ZOS too.

If continuing to help out the community was really important to Checkmath, they had an obvious choice: carry on with helping and don't break the NDA.

Checkmath chose differently, and rather definitively disqualified themself from the position from which they'd been helping the community.

Whether others in the community miss Checkmath or not, that really doesnt change the consequences of that decision.

So I guess you know Checkmath or the devs to state those things above? The leak did not necessarely happen by intention or by ill meaning, maybe it even happened by good will. But I guess you are the one to judge stuff about you do not know much but the surface.

Also it looks like everybody in here is very familiar with the exact wordings of the NDA, which was put on the class reps.

What I know is, that Checkmath did a whole year of free community work for ZOS, was very active in several discords and forums and was ready to help out with questions. He created a really big discord server, which is still active and full of experienced players helping out each other.

He somehow broke the NDA, I do not know how, with what intent and on what scale he broke it, just that he did.

idk

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, it sucks that people you like broke the rules and got banned for it as a consequence of their actions.

That's on them. If they wanted to keep playing the game and doing their good work, there was an obvious choice: don't flagrantly break the rules by abusing their position of Class Rep. Duh.

It sucks for you, but they made their choice and we all have to deal with the consequences of their choice: they don't get to be a member of the community anymore.

ZOS was entirely correct to enforce their TOS and the agreement they had with the Class Reps.

I do not think it is about what he has done, since many things can get you banned in a game. But OP and the people probably want him back, since he still is connected to the game and as a valued source of knowledge he could help out the community, being of value for ZOS too.

If continuing to help out the community was really important to Checkmath, they had an obvious choice: carry on with helping and don't break the NDA.

Checkmath chose differently, and rather definitively disqualified themself from the position from which they'd been helping the community.

Whether others in the community miss Checkmath or not, that really doesnt change the consequences of that decision.

So I guess you know Checkmath or the devs to state those things above? The leak did not necessarely happen by intention or by ill meaning, maybe it even happened by good will. But I guess you are the one to judge stuff about you do not know much but the surface.

Also it looks like everybody in here is very familiar with the exact wordings of the NDA, which was put on the class reps.

What I know is, that Checkmath did a whole year of free community work for ZOS, was very active in several discords and forums and was ready to help out with questions. He created a really big discord server, which is still active and full of experienced players helping out each other.

He somehow broke the NDA, I do not know how, with what intent and on what scale he broke it, just that he did.

What we know is Checkmath was under an NDA. What seems extremely apparent is Checkmath violated that NDA. If so Checkmath showed extremely poor judgement and demonstrated he was not worthy of the trust Zos placed in him. He is lucky to have only gotten banned.

Elsonso

idk wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

yeah, I don't think the punishment fits the "crime".

Why was he banned?

Pretty sure it was around the time the patch notes were disseminated early. Those involved were banned from the forums but not sure about the game. What else was involved is clearly questionable. I think they already have an alt account in the forums as one person involved in that did post here via a different account.

Either way I do not expect Zos to change their mind due to this thread. If anything this thread will be closed.

Nor do I, and yes it will.

VaranisArano

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, it sucks that people you like broke the rules and got banned for it as a consequence of their actions.

That's on them. If they wanted to keep playing the game and doing their good work, there was an obvious choice: don't flagrantly break the rules by abusing their position of Class Rep. Duh.

It sucks for you, but they made their choice and we all have to deal with the consequences of their choice: they don't get to be a member of the community anymore.

ZOS was entirely correct to enforce their TOS and the agreement they had with the Class Reps.

I do not think it is about what he has done, since many things can get you banned in a game. But OP and the people probably want him back, since he still is connected to the game and as a valued source of knowledge he could help out the community, being of value for ZOS too.

If continuing to help out the community was really important to Checkmath, they had an obvious choice: carry on with helping and don't break the NDA.

Checkmath chose differently, and rather definitively disqualified themself from the position from which they'd been helping the community.

Whether others in the community miss Checkmath or not, that really doesnt change the consequences of that decision.

So I guess you know Checkmath or the devs to state those things above? The leak did not necessarely happen by intention or by ill meaning, maybe it even happened by good will. But I guess you are the one to judge stuff about you do not know much but the surface.

Also it looks like everybody in here is very familiar with the exact wordings of the NDA, which was put on the class reps.

What I know is, that Checkmath did a whole year of free community work for ZOS, was very active in several discords and forums and was ready to help out with questions. He created a really big discord server, which is still active and full of experienced players helping out each other.

He somehow broke the NDA, I do not know how, with what intent and on what scale he broke it, just that he did.

When it comes to things like "Someone broke an NDA", intent doesnt really matter. Malice, incompetence, good intentions, whistleblowing, whatever. ZOS is entirely correct to enforce their terms and the consequences of breaking the NDA.

Your argument is essentially "Checkmath did wonderful things before they broke the NDA, so ZOS should pardon them from some of the consequences of breaking the NDA."

My thought is "Checkmath did wonderful things before they broke the NDA, but they broke the NDA. Checkmath ought to suffer the consequences of breaking the NDA."

Personally, I'm not thrilled that someone who was doing a good job as Class Rep wound up throwing that away by breaking the NDA. With great power comes great responsibility and all that. We all suffer for that choice, not merely by Checkmath's absence, but also the loss of respect between the Devs and the class reps. The release of the patch notes early was very disrespectful of the Devs, their effort, any feedback they wanted, and the extra management it took for them to release the official patch notes early before the PTS was ready to go.

Victor_Blade

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, it sucks that people you like broke the rules and got banned for it as a consequence of their actions.

That's on them. If they wanted to keep playing the game and doing their good work, there was an obvious choice: don't flagrantly break the rules by abusing their position of Class Rep. Duh.

It sucks for you, but they made their choice and we all have to deal with the consequences of their choice: they don't get to be a member of the community anymore.

ZOS was entirely correct to enforce their TOS and the agreement they had with the Class Reps.

I do not think it is about what he has done, since many things can get you banned in a game. But OP and the people probably want him back, since he still is connected to the game and as a valued source of knowledge he could help out the community, being of value for ZOS too.

If continuing to help out the community was really important to Checkmath, they had an obvious choice: carry on with helping and don't break the NDA.

Checkmath chose differently, and rather definitively disqualified themself from the position from which they'd been helping the community.

Whether others in the community miss Checkmath or not, that really doesnt change the consequences of that decision.

So I guess you know Checkmath or the devs to state those things above? The leak did not necessarely happen by intention or by ill meaning, maybe it even happened by good will. But I guess you are the one to judge stuff about you do not know much but the surface.

Also it looks like everybody in here is very familiar with the exact wordings of the NDA, which was put on the class reps.

What I know is, that Checkmath did a whole year of free community work for ZOS, was very active in several discords and forums and was ready to help out with questions. He created a really big discord server, which is still active and full of experienced players helping out each other.

He somehow broke the NDA, I do not know how, with what intent and on what scale he broke it, just that he did.

When it comes to things like "Someone broke an NDA", intent doesnt really matter. Malice, incompetence, good intentions, whistleblowing, whatever. ZOS is entirely correct to enforce their terms and the consequences of breaking the NDA.

Your argument is essentially "Checkmath did wonderful things before they broke the NDA, so ZOS should pardon them from some of the consequences of breaking the NDA."

My thought is "Checkmath did wonderful things before they broke the NDA, but they broke the NDA. Checkmath ought to suffer the consequences of breaking the NDA."

Personally, I'm not thrilled that someone who was doing a good job as Class Rep wound up throwing that away by breaking the NDA. With great power comes great responsibility and all that. We all suffer for that choice, not merely by Checkmath's absence, but also the loss of respect between the Devs and the class reps. The release of the patch notes early was very disrespectful of the Devs, their effort, any feedback they wanted, and the extra management it took for them to release the official patch notes early before the PTS was ready to go.

Which is correct. Zos should enforce whatever rules and bs they want but I think a 1 month ban and loss of class rep position would've been okay. He did a mistake and suffered consequences for it. Trust and such stuff doesn't matter.

It's not like zos was paying him to keep quiet or maintain the nda. He was paying for the game tho and invested time in it and all of it went away once he broke a stupid nda. If he gets stays banned for so long after recieving no compensation for ever doing community services then he should get a refund for the game along with costs of all the eso+ and crown store purchase stuff.

A free service needs a small ban or something not perma ban losing all of your progress.

valeriiya

Did Joy get banned too?

Iskiab

starkerealm wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I'd support bringing him back. The notes got leaked only 2 days before it's official release, permabanning him for this looks unfair, considering how much he did for the community and the game.

2 days or two weeks. They still violated a contractual agreement. He proved he could not be trusted. Being banned is pretty small.

Yeah, you do not want to breach NDAs. Especially not for petty stuff like this.

Yea, basicly he’s screwed.

Every company will enforce their NDA. Typically because of liability they will also say nothing even if they pursue things.

The issue is the disconnect between the reality and perception of NDAs because no one talks about the repercussions of breaking one due to liability. Companies will pursue people criminally or civilly over an NDA, though unlikely here, but young people seem to think there’s little enforcement.

This is one of the many examples of why people who’re older believe millennials grew up too sheltered and unprepared for the real world. Young people tend to think repercussions are unfair or people are ‘just kidding’ about agreements.

RebornRequiem

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, it sucks that people you like broke the rules and got banned for it as a consequence of their actions.

That's on them. If they wanted to keep playing the game and doing their good work, there was an obvious choice: don't flagrantly break the rules by abusing their position of Class Rep. Duh.

It sucks for you, but they made their choice and we all have to deal with the consequences of their choice: they don't get to be a member of the community anymore.

ZOS was entirely correct to enforce their TOS and the agreement they had with the Class Reps.

I do not think it is about what he has done, since many things can get you banned in a game. But OP and the people probably want him back, since he still is connected to the game and as a valued source of knowledge he could help out the community, being of value for ZOS too.

If continuing to help out the community was really important to Checkmath, they had an obvious choice: carry on with helping and don't break the NDA.

Checkmath chose differently, and rather definitively disqualified themself from the position from which they'd been helping the community.

Whether others in the community miss Checkmath or not, that really doesnt change the consequences of that decision.

So I guess you know Checkmath or the devs to state those things above? The leak did not necessarely happen by intention or by ill meaning, maybe it even happened by good will. But I guess you are the one to judge stuff about you do not know much but the surface.

Also it looks like everybody in here is very familiar with the exact wordings of the NDA, which was put on the class reps.

What I know is, that Checkmath did a whole year of free community work for ZOS, was very active in several discords and forums and was ready to help out with questions. He created a really big discord server, which is still active and full of experienced players helping out each other.

He somehow broke the NDA, I do not know how, with what intent and on what scale he broke it, just that he did.

When it comes to things like "Someone broke an NDA", intent doesnt really matter. Malice, incompetence, good intentions, whistleblowing, whatever. ZOS is entirely correct to enforce their terms and the consequences of breaking the NDA.

Your argument is essentially "Checkmath did wonderful things before they broke the NDA, so ZOS should pardon them from some of the consequences of breaking the NDA."

My thought is "Checkmath did wonderful things before they broke the NDA, but they broke the NDA. Checkmath ought to suffer the consequences of breaking the NDA."

Personally, I'm not thrilled that someone who was doing a good job as Class Rep wound up throwing that away by breaking the NDA. With great power comes great responsibility and all that. We all suffer for that choice, not merely by Checkmath's absence, but also the loss of respect between the Devs and the class reps. The release of the patch notes early was very disrespectful of the Devs, their effort, any feedback they wanted, and the extra management it took for them to release the official patch notes early before the PTS was ready to go.

I never said, that he should be just forgiven and his account restored or whatever. I said, that what he did needs also to be considered. As much as I know Checkmath is still active in his discord, giving advice and discussing the state.

About the responsability: Maybe he took the responsability of being a rep over the consequences of his doings.

As much as I know the program suffered already a few months before that incident from lack of communaction between reps and devs. Back then only a few reps were still in the program.

If you want to know what happened, I suggest ask Checkmath or the ones who opened up the thread.

valeriiya wrote: »

Did Joy get banned too?

Joy is still playing the game.

idk

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, it sucks that people you like broke the rules and got banned for it as a consequence of their actions.

That's on them. If they wanted to keep playing the game and doing their good work, there was an obvious choice: don't flagrantly break the rules by abusing their position of Class Rep. Duh.

It sucks for you, but they made their choice and we all have to deal with the consequences of their choice: they don't get to be a member of the community anymore.

ZOS was entirely correct to enforce their TOS and the agreement they had with the Class Reps.

I do not think it is about what he has done, since many things can get you banned in a game. But OP and the people probably want him back, since he still is connected to the game and as a valued source of knowledge he could help out the community, being of value for ZOS too.

If continuing to help out the community was really important to Checkmath, they had an obvious choice: carry on with helping and don't break the NDA.

Checkmath chose differently, and rather definitively disqualified themself from the position from which they'd been helping the community.

Whether others in the community miss Checkmath or not, that really doesnt change the consequences of that decision.

So I guess you know Checkmath or the devs to state those things above? The leak did not necessarely happen by intention or by ill meaning, maybe it even happened by good will. But I guess you are the one to judge stuff about you do not know much but the surface.

Also it looks like everybody in here is very familiar with the exact wordings of the NDA, which was put on the class reps.

What I know is, that Checkmath did a whole year of free community work for ZOS, was very active in several discords and forums and was ready to help out with questions. He created a really big discord server, which is still active and full of experienced players helping out each other.

He somehow broke the NDA, I do not know how, with what intent and on what scale he broke it, just that he did.

When it comes to things like "Someone broke an NDA", intent doesnt really matter. Malice, incompetence, good intentions, whistleblowing, whatever. ZOS is entirely correct to enforce their terms and the consequences of breaking the NDA.

Your argument is essentially "Checkmath did wonderful things before they broke the NDA, so ZOS should pardon them from some of the consequences of breaking the NDA."

My thought is "Checkmath did wonderful things before they broke the NDA, but they broke the NDA. Checkmath ought to suffer the consequences of breaking the NDA."

Personally, I'm not thrilled that someone who was doing a good job as Class Rep wound up throwing that away by breaking the NDA. With great power comes great responsibility and all that. We all suffer for that choice, not merely by Checkmath's absence, but also the loss of respect between the Devs and the class reps. The release of the patch notes early was very disrespectful of the Devs, their effort, any feedback they wanted, and the extra management it took for them to release the official patch notes early before the PTS was ready to go.

I never said, that he should be just forgiven and his account restored or whatever. I said, that what he did needs also to be considered. As much as I know Checkmath is still active in his discord, giving advice and discussing the state.

About the responsability: Maybe he took the responsability of being a rep over the consequences of his doings.

As much as I know the program suffered already a few months before that incident from lack of communaction between reps and devs. Back then only a few reps were still in the program.

If you want to know what happened, I suggest ask Checkmath or the ones who opened up the thread.

valeriiya wrote: »

Did Joy get banned too?

Joy is still playing the game.

What if Checkmath created an alt account for the forums since he was banned?

I get that Checkmath has a few fanboys, but judging from this thread not many. But unless you are him and conveniently created a new forum alt account days after getting banned your hypotheticals are nothing more than that.

VaranisArano

Victor_Blade wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, it sucks that people you like broke the rules and got banned for it as a consequence of their actions.

That's on them. If they wanted to keep playing the game and doing their good work, there was an obvious choice: don't flagrantly break the rules by abusing their position of Class Rep. Duh.

It sucks for you, but they made their choice and we all have to deal with the consequences of their choice: they don't get to be a member of the community anymore.

ZOS was entirely correct to enforce their TOS and the agreement they had with the Class Reps.

I do not think it is about what he has done, since many things can get you banned in a game. But OP and the people probably want him back, since he still is connected to the game and as a valued source of knowledge he could help out the community, being of value for ZOS too.

If continuing to help out the community was really important to Checkmath, they had an obvious choice: carry on with helping and don't break the NDA.

Checkmath chose differently, and rather definitively disqualified themself from the position from which they'd been helping the community.

Whether others in the community miss Checkmath or not, that really doesnt change the consequences of that decision.

So I guess you know Checkmath or the devs to state those things above? The leak did not necessarely happen by intention or by ill meaning, maybe it even happened by good will. But I guess you are the one to judge stuff about you do not know much but the surface.

Also it looks like everybody in here is very familiar with the exact wordings of the NDA, which was put on the class reps.

What I know is, that Checkmath did a whole year of free community work for ZOS, was very active in several discords and forums and was ready to help out with questions. He created a really big discord server, which is still active and full of experienced players helping out each other.

He somehow broke the NDA, I do not know how, with what intent and on what scale he broke it, just that he did.

When it comes to things like "Someone broke an NDA", intent doesnt really matter. Malice, incompetence, good intentions, whistleblowing, whatever. ZOS is entirely correct to enforce their terms and the consequences of breaking the NDA.

Your argument is essentially "Checkmath did wonderful things before they broke the NDA, so ZOS should pardon them from some of the consequences of breaking the NDA."

My thought is "Checkmath did wonderful things before they broke the NDA, but they broke the NDA. Checkmath ought to suffer the consequences of breaking the NDA."

Personally, I'm not thrilled that someone who was doing a good job as Class Rep wound up throwing that away by breaking the NDA. With great power comes great responsibility and all that. We all suffer for that choice, not merely by Checkmath's absence, but also the loss of respect between the Devs and the class reps. The release of the patch notes early was very disrespectful of the Devs, their effort, any feedback they wanted, and the extra management it took for them to release the official patch notes early before the PTS was ready to go.

Which is correct. Zos should enforce whatever rules and bs they want but I think a 1 month ban and loss of class rep position would've been okay. He did a mistake and suffered consequences for it. Trust and such stuff doesn't matter.

It's not like zos was paying him to keep quiet or maintain the nda. He was paying for the game tho and invested time in it and all of it went away once he broke a stupid nda. If he gets stays banned for so long after recieving no compensation for ever doing community services then he should get a refund for the game along with costs of all the eso+ and crown store purchase stuff.

A free service needs a small ban or something not perma ban losing all of your progress.

That's not how NDAs work. Pretty sure you don't get paid to keep your mouth shut.

Girl_Number8

He broke the NDA period. Zos will most likely not forgive this, as he has betrayed the company's trust and broke a legal binding document.

He deserves what he gets because he did it with his eyes wide open....and got caught red handed. It has nothing to with him as a person, just his actions.

Zos, should be firm on this stance because there are other liabilities when people decide to not respect their binding contracts. Liabilities that could cost the company a great deal more if they do not deal with such breeches harshly in a legal manner.

D0PAMINE

Checkmath is a great person, no one is saying he wasn't, but he broke an NDA. That's basically the bottom line.