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Is animation cancelling (for dps) healthy for ESO?
Rungar
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I do not care if you can do it or what your dps is. I ask only if you think that the current combat system which centers around animation cancelling for dps is healthy for this game. Please frame your responses in terms of why you think its either healthy or unhealthy. Try to use reasons and logic if you can. I say for dps because no one has any real issues with defensive animation cancelling which includes block and roll dodge. This only applies to light weaving, bash cancelling and maybe barswap cancelling which shorten animations for dps or offensive purposes.
had to update this to include some basic questions you might think about before responding. Frame them accordingly.
Does that requirement limit the number of people you can play with?
Does that requirement exclude you from dlc vet content?
Does that requirement make your hands hurt?
Do you feel it enables peoples cheating via macroing keyboards and gamepads?
Do you feel the game cannot be balanced with this system?
Do you feel this system inhibits performance?
Do you feel that this system drives people away from pvp prematurely and drives people away from endgame content?
Do you feel it makes the game look and feel ugly?
Do you feel it makes pvp bad because you cant see what the other player is doing?
Do you feel it lets people skip intended mechanics?
Do you feel like its just too much button clicking?
Do you feel your reaction speed is to slow for this to work well?
Do you feel that it relies too much on a good internet connection?
Do you feel that having to do it takes away from the enjoyment of the game?
Do you feel it inhibits you from adapting to changes made by zos?
Do you feel that having to relentlessly practice in front of a dummy is unreasonable to play the game?
Edited by Rungar on September 21, 2019 1:26PM had to update this to include some basic questions you might think about before responding. Frame them accordingly.
Does that requirement limit the number of people you can play with?
Does that requirement exclude you from dlc vet content?
Does that requirement make your hands hurt?
Do you feel it enables peoples cheating via macroing keyboards and gamepads?
Do you feel the game cannot be balanced with this system?
Do you feel this system inhibits performance?
Do you feel that this system drives people away from pvp prematurely and drives people away from endgame content?
Do you feel it makes the game look and feel ugly?
Do you feel it makes pvp bad because you cant see what the other player is doing?
Do you feel it lets people skip intended mechanics?
Do you feel like its just too much button clicking?
Do you feel your reaction speed is to slow for this to work well?
Do you feel that it relies too much on a good internet connection?
Do you feel that having to do it takes away from the enjoyment of the game?
Do you feel it inhibits you from adapting to changes made by zos?
Do you feel that having to relentlessly practice in front of a dummy is unreasonable to play the game?
Is animation cancelling (for dps) healthy for ESO? 123 votes
AC for dps is NOT HEALTHY for the game.
50%
62 votes
AC for dps is HEALTHY for the game.
49%
61 votes
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bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seriously, you couldn't have just added your thoughts to one of the other active threads on this very same topic?8 -
Rungar✭✭✭✭✭
✭i want to know why you think its good or bad. All the other threads do not either ask or answer this critical question.2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AC for dps is HEALTHY for the game.It is forum meta of the week.
Oh well at least they have stopped bitching about Templars!
Edited by TequilaFire on September 21, 2019 1:28PM3 -
bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭i want to know why you think its good or bad. All the other threads do not either ask or answer this critical question.
Don't be obstinate.
You can most definitely READ those threads and see what the answer to that question is from what people's responses are.
Edited by bearbelly on September 21, 2019 12:54PM6 -
Sanguinor2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Look you guys dont Need to make poll after poll after poll until one supports your view. It will be irrelevant anyway for the same reason any other Forum poll is.Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.4 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AC for dps is HEALTHY for the game.You people never learn to leave well enough alone.
If ZOS caves to the whines and "fixes" AC they will do it in a way that really screws up combat and that surely is worse for the game.Edited by TequilaFire on September 21, 2019 1:15PM9 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AC for dps is NOT HEALTHY for the game.Seriously, you couldn't have just added your thoughts to one of the other active threads on this very same topic?
It's a different question.
In theory, at least, it forces people, who would normally only answer from a self centred point of view, to think about what it is doing to the game, in general.
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BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AC for dps is NOT HEALTHY for the game.Animation cancelling does not feel like it should be in the game. It feels more like a trick then a natural game mechanic.12 -
bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seriously, you couldn't have just added your thoughts to one of the other active threads on this very same topic?
It's a different question.
In theory, at least, it forces people, who would normally only answer from a self centred point of view, to think about what it is doing to the game, in general.
And every active thread on the topic has people stating their opinion about what it does/doesn't do to the game.
Not even in theory does it "force" people to think about it; they come into the thread with their opinion already formed and etched in stone.
No minds are being changed; it's just endless arguing, stating the same points over and over.
We don't need several different threads to have the same argument.
Edited by bearbelly on September 21, 2019 1:31PM1 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AC for dps is NOT HEALTHY for the game.Seriously, you couldn't have just added your thoughts to one of the other active threads on this very same topic?
It's a different question.
In theory, at least, it forces people, who would normally only answer from a self centred point of view, to think about what it is doing to the game, in general.
And every active thread on the topic has people stating their opinion about what it does/doesn't do to the game.
Not even in theory does it force people to think about it; they come into the thread with their opinion already formed and etched in stone..
No minds are being changed; it's just endless arguing, stating the same points over and over.
We don't need several different threads to have the same argument.
It isn't the same poll question, so it is valid, in my opinion.
More valid than the "Do you think it should be removed, or kept?" polls, in fact.
As they just elicit self centred answers, based on what people have become accustomed to.Edited by Tigerseye on September 21, 2019 1:34PM6 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AC for dps is HEALTHY for the game.Might as well delete heavy/light attacks if yall are so against using them.For the love of Kyne, buff sorc. PC NACP 2100+Star-Sïnger - Khajiit Magicka Sorc - EP Grand Overlord - Flawless Conqueror vMA/vBRP/vDSA no death/vHel Ra HM/vAA HM/vSO HM/vMoL HM/vHoF HM/vAS +2/vCR+3/vSS HMs/vKA HMs/vVH/vRG Oax HM/vDSR3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Did you just keep adding questions because you didnt think you had enough to get the answers you wanted?
Yeah, not gonna bother. You don't actually care.5 -
Rungar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »Look you guys dont Need to make poll after poll after poll until one supports your view. It will be irrelevant anyway for the same reason any other Forum poll is.
You could think about answering some of the questions i raised. They apply to everyone. It is certainly more honest than trying to get my poll shut down because you dont like it.0 -
bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seriously, you couldn't have just added your thoughts to one of the other active threads on this very same topic?
It's a different question.
In theory, at least, it forces people, who would normally only answer from a self centred point of view, to think about what it is doing to the game, in general.
And every active thread on the topic has people stating their opinion about what it does/doesn't do to the game.
Not even in theory does it force people to think about it; they come into the thread with their opinion already formed and etched in stone..
No minds are being changed; it's just endless arguing, stating the same points over and over.
We don't need several different threads to have the same argument.
It isn't the same poll question, so it is valid, in my opinion.
More valid than the "Do you think it should be removed, or kept?" polls, in fact.
As they just elicit self centred answers, based on what people have become accustomed to.
What prompts a person to state whether or not it should be removed?
Answer: Their opinion of whether or not it's healthy for the game.
And a person's personal opinion on whether it's healthy for the game or not doesn't also come from a selfish place based on what they are accustomed to?
It's the same question.0 -
Rungar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seriously, you couldn't have just added your thoughts to one of the other active threads on this very same topic?
It's a different question.
In theory, at least, it forces people, who would normally only answer from a self centred point of view, to think about what it is doing to the game, in general.
And every active thread on the topic has people stating their opinion about what it does/doesn't do to the game.
Not even in theory does it force people to think about it; they come into the thread with their opinion already formed and etched in stone..
No minds are being changed; it's just endless arguing, stating the same points over and over.
We don't need several different threads to have the same argument.
It isn't the same poll question, so it is valid, in my opinion.
More valid than the "Do you think it should be removed, or kept?" polls, in fact.
As they just elicit self centred answers, based on what people have become accustomed to.
What prompts a person to state whether or not it should be removed?
Answer: Their opinion of whether or not it's healthy for the game.
And a person's personal opinion on whether it's healthy for the game or not doesn't also come from a selfish place based on what they are accustomed to?
It's the same question.
everyone has bias of course but what about your experience. The questions i posed relate to your experience. They don't ask whether its a bug or feature. They ask about your experience and is thus unique.1 -
Munkfist✭✭✭AC for dps is HEALTHY for the game.Does that requirement limit the number of people you can play with? No.
Does that requirement exclude you from dlc vet content? No.
Does that requirement make your hands hurt? No.
Do you feel it enables peoples cheating via macroing keyboards and gamepads? They can do this without animation cancelling.
Do you feel the game cannot be balanced with this system? No.
Do you feel this system inhibits performance? No.
Do you feel that this system drives people away from pvp prematurely and drives people away from endgame content? No.
Do you feel it makes the game look and feel ugly? No.
Do you feel it makes pvp bad because you cant see what the other player is doing? No.
Do you feel it lets people skip intended mechanics? No. Animation cancelling adds to your damage, but isn't your sole source of it.
Do you feel like its just too much button clicking? No.
Do you feel your reaction speed is to slow for this to work well? No. Put in the time and practice.
Do you feel that it relies too much on a good internet connection? This will effect the outcome, but it's not mandatory.
Do you feel that having to do it takes away from the enjoyment of the game? No.
Do you feel it inhibits you from adapting to changes made by zos? No.
Do you feel that having to relentlessly practice in front of a dummy is unreasonable to play the game? No. Put in the effort to bring your numbers up. Don't bring us down because you don't want to practice.@Munkfist PC-NA
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StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AC for dps is HEALTHY for the game.If you animation cancel (AC) correctly and successfully with a smooth rotation, rumors have it you'll forever be remember on the 21st day of September, with your love forver changing the minds of the pretenders.
https://youtu.be/Gs069dndIYk 1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Do you feel that having to relentlessly practice in front of a dummy is unreasonable to play the game?
This is hilarious.
You do realize that Training Dummies were a huge QOL improvement for players, especially for console players?
Without that, PC players had to go fight bosses, while Console players had to approximate their DPS as best they could from boss fights. Giving players the ability to practice their DPS is a great thing.
Furthermore, ZOS is encouraging this approach on PC with ESO Logs by making it possible for PC players to better evaluate their boss fights so they can further improve and refine how they play as a group.
Finally, the big shifts in DOT meta reveals why this "I have to relentlessly practice" has very little to do with weaving and cancelling. This patch, and next, you'll be practicing your new DPS rotation because ZOS changed your skills, while weaving and cancelling remained constant!4 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AC for dps is NOT HEALTHY for the game.Seriously, you couldn't have just added your thoughts to one of the other active threads on this very same topic?
It's a different question.
In theory, at least, it forces people, who would normally only answer from a self centred point of view, to think about what it is doing to the game, in general.
And every active thread on the topic has people stating their opinion about what it does/doesn't do to the game.
Not even in theory does it force people to think about it; they come into the thread with their opinion already formed and etched in stone..
No minds are being changed; it's just endless arguing, stating the same points over and over.
We don't need several different threads to have the same argument.
It isn't the same poll question, so it is valid, in my opinion.
More valid than the "Do you think it should be removed, or kept?" polls, in fact.
As they just elicit self centred answers, based on what people have become accustomed to.
What prompts a person to state whether or not it should be removed?
Answer: Their opinion of whether or not it's healthy for the game.
And a person's personal opinion on whether it's healthy for the game or not doesn't also come from a selfish place based on what they are accustomed to?
It's the same question.
Simply not true.
Many people answer from a purely subjective point of view.
Especially if they're not prompted to do otherwise.2 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AC for dps is NOT HEALTHY for the game.Does that requirement limit the number of people you can play with? No.
Does that requirement exclude you from dlc vet content? No.
Does that requirement make your hands hurt? No.
Do you feel it enables peoples cheating via macroing keyboards and gamepads? They can do this without animation cancelling.
Do you feel the game cannot be balanced with this system? No.
Do you feel this system inhibits performance? No.
Do you feel that this system drives people away from pvp prematurely and drives people away from endgame content? No.
Do you feel it makes the game look and feel ugly? No.
Do you feel it makes pvp bad because you cant see what the other player is doing? No.
Do you feel it lets people skip intended mechanics? No. Animation cancelling adds to your damage, but isn't your sole source of it.
Do you feel like its just too much button clicking? No.
Do you feel your reaction speed is to slow for this to work well? No. Put in the time and practice.
Do you feel that it relies too much on a good internet connection? This will effect the outcome, but it's not mandatory.
Do you feel that having to do it takes away from the enjoyment of the game? No.
Do you feel it inhibits you from adapting to changes made by zos? No.
Do you feel that having to relentlessly practice in front of a dummy is unreasonable to play the game? No. Put in the effort to bring your numbers up. Don't bring us down because you don't want to practice.
Some, on the other hand, still answer from a subjective point of view, even when prompted not to do so. :P3 -
Munkfist✭✭✭AC for dps is HEALTHY for the game.Does that requirement limit the number of people you can play with? No.
Does that requirement exclude you from dlc vet content? No.
Does that requirement make your hands hurt? No.
Do you feel it enables peoples cheating via macroing keyboards and gamepads? They can do this without animation cancelling.
Do you feel the game cannot be balanced with this system? No.
Do you feel this system inhibits performance? No.
Do you feel that this system drives people away from pvp prematurely and drives people away from endgame content? No.
Do you feel it makes the game look and feel ugly? No.
Do you feel it makes pvp bad because you cant see what the other player is doing? No.
Do you feel it lets people skip intended mechanics? No. Animation cancelling adds to your damage, but isn't your sole source of it.
Do you feel like its just too much button clicking? No.
Do you feel your reaction speed is to slow for this to work well? No. Put in the time and practice.
Do you feel that it relies too much on a good internet connection? This will effect the outcome, but it's not mandatory.
Do you feel that having to do it takes away from the enjoyment of the game? No.
Do you feel it inhibits you from adapting to changes made by zos? No.
Do you feel that having to relentlessly practice in front of a dummy is unreasonable to play the game? No. Put in the effort to bring your numbers up. Don't bring us down because you don't want to practice.
Some, on the other hand, still answer from a subjective point of view, even when prompted not to do so. :P
Basic questions warrant basic answers.@Munkfist PC-NA
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AC for dps is NOT HEALTHY for the game.Does that requirement limit the number of people you can play with? No.
Does that requirement exclude you from dlc vet content? No.
Does that requirement make your hands hurt? No.
Do you feel it enables peoples cheating via macroing keyboards and gamepads? They can do this without animation cancelling.
Do you feel the game cannot be balanced with this system? No.
Do you feel this system inhibits performance? No.
Do you feel that this system drives people away from pvp prematurely and drives people away from endgame content? No.
Do you feel it makes the game look and feel ugly? No.
Do you feel it makes pvp bad because you cant see what the other player is doing? No.
Do you feel it lets people skip intended mechanics? No. Animation cancelling adds to your damage, but isn't your sole source of it.
Do you feel like its just too much button clicking? No.
Do you feel your reaction speed is to slow for this to work well? No. Put in the time and practice.
Do you feel that it relies too much on a good internet connection? This will effect the outcome, but it's not mandatory.
Do you feel that having to do it takes away from the enjoyment of the game? No.
Do you feel it inhibits you from adapting to changes made by zos? No.
Do you feel that having to relentlessly practice in front of a dummy is unreasonable to play the game? No. Put in the effort to bring your numbers up. Don't bring us down because you don't want to practice.
Some, on the other hand, still answer from a subjective point of view, even when prompted not to do so. :P
Basic questions warrant basic answers.
Subjective =/= basic.3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are three answers that sum up most of my thoughts.
A. There are a lot of factors that go into whether players can or can't do end game PVP and PVE. Blaming weaving/cancelling as the determining factor is incredibly simplistic.
B. ZOS doesn't see weaving/cancelling as a problem for performance, balance, accessibility, animation ugliness etc. Pretty sure they not only make the animations, they have the actual data and vision for performance and balance. So yeah, its the Devs' opinions that count.
C. "Do you feel"...
Anecdotes are not Data.1 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭AC for dps is NOT HEALTHY for the game.a bug should be fixed and not turned into a feature.
this is a AAA game after all not something made by indie devs7
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