RIP DK & NECRO (pvp)

SpiderCultist

Necro was already released gimped, it now hits like a wet noodle, it has no pressure and WTH did you do to the colossus????
DK on the other hand is more than dead both specs, mag and stam, it's just frustating what you did to this class
and what about master's dw and bow? not worth using them anymore

GJ balancing (aka nerfing) team, basically I have now 4 characters I won't play on any form of PvP

PS: when is this abomination going to be released? I'll take a break

Alienoutlaw

adapt like everyone else, the PTS is up try testing before writing of a class totally ALL class's have been adjusted so what may seem like the end the world for cheese builds will actually encourage intelligent play

SpiderCultist

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

adapt like everyone else, the PTS is up try testing before writing of a class totally ALL class's have been adjusted so what may seem like the end the world for cheese builds will actually encourage intelligent play

nah mate, nec is dead (maybe it was born dead already) and they killed DKs
test it yourself if you don't believe me

Sanguinor2

DKs can just use the alternative Tools they got in their class ability trees, just give me a few months to find them, Maybe they get created in update 26. An Inhale, Inferno, Whip Combo a magdk could do sounds Pretty nonthreatening without dot pressure so idk Pretty pessimistic About the state of pvp dk.

Alienoutlaw

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

adapt like everyone else, the PTS is up try testing before writing of a class totally ALL class's have been adjusted so what may seem like the end the world for cheese builds will actually encourage intelligent play

nah mate, nec is dead (maybe it was born dead already) and they killed DKs
test it yourself if you don't believe me

im currently testing stam warden PvP at mo but yes i will test necro next and get back to you, at mo on live necro is a very good class in PvP both group and solo

SpiderCultist

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

adapt like everyone else, the PTS is up try testing before writing of a class totally ALL class's have been adjusted so what may seem like the end the world for cheese builds will actually encourage intelligent play

nah mate, nec is dead (maybe it was born dead already) and they killed DKs
test it yourself if you don't believe me

im currently testing stam warden PvP at mo but yes i will test necro next and get back to you, at mo on live necro is a very good class in PvP both group and solo

test a magcro in a duel, I dare you out of 10 times you will win 1 or 2 and putting a lot of creativity and effort
stamwarden is OKish but will excel when we find a way to play it without dizzy

Neloth

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

adapt like everyone else, the PTS is up try testing before writing of a class totally ALL class's have been adjusted so what may seem like the end the world for cheese builds will actually encourage intelligent play

nah mate, nec is dead (maybe it was born dead already) and they killed DKs
test it yourself if you don't believe me

im currently testing stam warden PvP at mo but yes i will test necro next and get back to you, at mo on live necro is a very good class in PvP both group and solo

test a magcro in a duel, I dare you out of 10 times you will win 1 or 2 and putting a lot of creativity and effort
stamwarden is OKish but will excel when we find a way to play it without dizzy

Duelling in eso is dead and dumb, same as necro on PTS... wouldn't say it's a good benchmark for class performance. Just look at the number of restriction in duelling tourneys, they even ban blastbones, lol.

Next patch it will be even worse - ZoS nerfs a lot of offensive combat components, but leaves all the healing untouched or even buffs it. Prepare for healtank meta 3.0 - people will just spam heals until their or enemy zerg comes

going to be fun, I'm also taking a break

edit: grammar

Alienoutlaw

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

adapt like everyone else, the PTS is up try testing before writing of a class totally ALL class's have been adjusted so what may seem like the end the world for cheese builds will actually encourage intelligent play

nah mate, nec is dead (maybe it was born dead already) and they killed DKs
test it yourself if you don't believe me

im currently testing stam warden PvP at mo but yes i will test necro next and get back to you, at mo on live necro is a very good class in PvP both group and solo

test a magcro in a duel, I dare you out of 10 times you will win 1 or 2 and putting a lot of creativity and effort
stamwarden is OKish but will excel when we find a way to play it without dizzy

im currently testing a few things that use the off-balance that dizzy now has, results are all over the place at mo till i dial it in but looks promising

Dottzgaming

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

adapt like everyone else, the PTS is up try testing before writing of a class totally ALL class's have been adjusted so what may seem like the end the world for cheese builds will actually encourage intelligent play

nah mate, nec is dead (maybe it was born dead already) and they killed DKs
test it yourself if you don't believe me

im currently testing stam warden PvP at mo but yes i will test necro next and get back to you, at mo on live necro is a very good class in PvP both group and solo

test a magcro in a duel, I dare you out of 10 times you will win 1 or 2 and putting a lot of creativity and effort
stamwarden is OKish but will excel when we find a way to play it without dizzy

Unfortunately, i can confirm that magcro feels horrendous. You deal like 8 dmg now with DoTs being so heavily nerfed and colossus being nearly useless since anyone with a brain will be able to dodge out by the final smash. Gonna be trying some more things in the future on the PTS but it's a shame to see a class already struggling get pushed down even more.

DK doesnt feel good either. With the class being so closely tied to dot damage, and dots being nerfed into nigh irrelvance this patch, pressure on a DK feels entirely tied to whip/leap on magDK - i mean burning embers deals less dmg than volatile armor. StamDK i havent even figured out yet - tried my live build and it straight doesnt work - so i have to still mess around with that, but overall, DKs are feeling pretty weak atm.

Alienoutlaw

Dottzgaming wrote: »

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

adapt like everyone else, the PTS is up try testing before writing of a class totally ALL class's have been adjusted so what may seem like the end the world for cheese builds will actually encourage intelligent play

nah mate, nec is dead (maybe it was born dead already) and they killed DKs
test it yourself if you don't believe me

im currently testing stam warden PvP at mo but yes i will test necro next and get back to you, at mo on live necro is a very good class in PvP both group and solo

test a magcro in a duel, I dare you out of 10 times you will win 1 or 2 and putting a lot of creativity and effort
stamwarden is OKish but will excel when we find a way to play it without dizzy

Unfortunately, i can confirm that magcro feels horrendous. You deal like 8 dmg now with DoTs being so heavily nerfed and colossus being nearly useless since anyone with a brain will be able to dodge out by the final smash. Gonna be trying some more things in the future on the PTS but it's a shame to see a class already struggling get pushed down even more.

DK doesnt feel good either. With the class being so closely tied to dot damage, and dots being nerfed into nigh irrelvance this patch, pressure on a DK feels entirely tied to whip/leap on magDK - i mean burning embers deals less dmg than volatile armor. StamDK i havent even figured out yet - tried my live build and it straight doesnt work - so i have to still mess around with that, but overall, DKs are feeling pretty weak atm.

i have to agree with you about the DK stam lacks any real focus as most skills are mag bias, a stam version of whip would be nice

ketsparrowhawk

This is the flaw in this whole effort to standardize categories of skills. DK's heavily rely on DoTs.. so any changes made to DoTs as a whole will affect DK disproportionately. DK DoTs should either be an exception to the standard, or their passives should buff up their class DoTs so that they outperform the DoT standard significantly. When you compare the burst potential of a Sorc's curse+frags+fury combo, how is a magDK supposed to compete without their primary source of pressure?

My hope is that the goal with this standardization plan is to just get everything to a baseline so the devs can get a good "lay of the land", and then start to deviate from that standardization in an informed way. I can get on board if that is indeed the case. But if they're married to to idea that all skills in a certain category should cost the same and do the same amount of healing/damage.. seems boring and there are obvious concerns.

ChunkyCat

Each class should only have one dot, one dd spammable, one stun, one shield, one major sorcery/brutality buff, one debuff, and one ultimate. They should all cost the same and just be different reskins of the exact same ability.

We can differentiate the classes by the color of their spells.

Night blades should be yellow because they’re cowards and no one likes them.

Balance.