Why so much hatred for bow?

Sav72

Scatter shot,,, range was nerfed... now... knock back is history
Poison dots... nerfed..

Snipe useless half the time..

Who pissed in the dam cookie jar?

BahometZ

At least it means 2hander can be a viable backbar.

Banana

Everyone got the golden shower. Not just robin hood.

Epicasballs

They improved knockback animation... then removed knockbacks from skills in the same patch. Knockbacks still exist but the 2 main sources were scatter and dizzy. It's a head scratcher.

Cadbury

BahometZ wrote: »

At least it means 2hander can be a viable backbar.

This. I suspect DW/2H will become more popular now.

FrancisCrawford

Cadbury wrote: »

BahometZ wrote: »

At least it means 2hander can be a viable backbar.

This. I suspect DW/2H will become more popular now.

That would favor classes with ranged stamina skills -- stamden and stamcro -- would it not?

Kadoin

Hatred for bow because they don't want a skill to damage, cc, and heal after removing nearly every other skill that could do so or toning its damage down to oblivion?

It's almost like people are pretending you couldn't get a 15K+ heal from it and deal considerable damage.

Let me guess, that was "skillful" play...

John_Falstaff

@BahometZ , @Cadbury , hard to say. Stampede got nerfed even harder than Volley.

Cadbury

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

BahometZ wrote: »

At least it means 2hander can be a viable backbar.

This. I suspect DW/2H will become more popular now.

That would favor classes with ranged stamina skills -- stamden and stamcro -- would it not?

Kinda like how the upcoming patch favors classes with predominantly burst skills?

Olupajmibanan

Sav72 wrote: »

Scatter shot,,, range was nerfed... now... knock back is history
Poison dots... nerfed..

Snipe useless half the time..

Who pissed in the dam cookie jar?

Scatter Shot still has the knockback. Magnum Shot morph as well. Only Draining Shot morph got it's knockback removed.

SodanTok

Kadoin wrote: »

Hatred for bow because they don't want a skill to damage, cc, and heal after removing nearly every other skill that could do so or toning its damage down to oblivion?

It's almost like people are pretending you couldn't get a 15K+ heal from it and deal considerable damage.

Let me guess, that was "skillful" play...

Deals slightly less damage than Streak. Or same as stonefist (when it doesnt stun to proc 100% dmg bonus). Heals for less than half of Vigor. Heal is whatever, was toned down last patch already but can be toned down more, but calling the damage considerable is joke.

Kadoin

SodanTok wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Hatred for bow because they don't want a skill to damage, cc, and heal after removing nearly every other skill that could do so or toning its damage down to oblivion?

It's almost like people are pretending you couldn't get a 15K+ heal from it and deal considerable damage.

Let me guess, that was "skillful" play...

Deals slightly less damage than Streak. Or same as stonefist (when it doesnt stun to proc 100% dmg bonus). Heals for less than half of Vigor. Heal is whatever, was toned down last patch already but can be toned down more, but calling the damage considerable is joke.

I mean it is when it has a CC, does damage, and stuns like obsidian shard. I can't get a 10K tooltip with obsidian shard like I can draining shot though (not factoring in crit damage & bow passives by the way on live). Oops, running my mouth too much. Might get obsidian shard nerfed...

SodanTok

Kadoin wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Hatred for bow because they don't want a skill to damage, cc, and heal after removing nearly every other skill that could do so or toning its damage down to oblivion?

It's almost like people are pretending you couldn't get a 15K+ heal from it and deal considerable damage.

Let me guess, that was "skillful" play...

Deals slightly less damage than Streak. Or same as stonefist (when it doesnt stun to proc 100% dmg bonus). Heals for less than half of Vigor. Heal is whatever, was toned down last patch already but can be toned down more, but calling the damage considerable is joke.

I mean it is when it has a CC, does damage, and stuns like obsidian shard. I can't get a 10K tooltip with obsidian shard like I can draining shot though (not factoring in crit damage & bow passives by the way on live). Oops, running my mouth too much. Might get obsidian shard nerfed...

Thats because Obsidian Shard on live is still 28m ability dealing 30% of the damage and healing for 30% more. Call it what you want. In the end the values dont matter. Draining shot was ranged CC with heal. If it deals too much dmg, it should deal less. If it heals too much it should heal less. Aka it should be CC that heals, because thats literally what it was used for.

Three years ago it was 10m Disorient (the CC that would break instantly on damage), with the heal not even firing for some situations (my memory is bad, maybe when the disorient wasnt broke free?) and also being dodgeable... and I cant believe it, but it was better then than its going to be now, because it was still only CC and heal you could get using bow...

chrightt

Uh..... well did you see what happened to destruction staff? Reach/Clench? Scatter shot's magnum shot morph still has more range and more damage than flame clench. We're all left with garbage skills, so play with the least garbage you got. Like, pulsar? Does anyone remember that skill existed? Feels bad but what can we do. U24 has some great fixes and some stupid changes.