So what will you do after the new patch hits with the meganerf to DPS?

Ezeqel

Quit the game

personally I really wonder what the developers expect from the players by making as much change, in 6 months, 3 different directions.
in France we hate this patch note.
or rather, we've had enough of the changes in all directions.

ZonasArch

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

gepe87 wrote: »

Remember when 30k dps was top notch?
The main reason is light attack damage buff from previous patches (+empower). If they cut the damage from LA, DPS would drop but people wouldnt miss that too much.

If you still do damage on normal target dummies without relequen you would get around 40k dps on the high side, people are getting these higher numbers because of the new target dummy and relequen.

so over all this time damage is only 10k higher so it doesnt need a 50% nerf

There wasn't a 50% nerf to damage, please stop repeating this fallacy.

Xarc

Quit the game

I left.

5 years of play, but too many skill adjustments at each update, ESO must stabilize, and improve performances.
You adapt? It changes again and again. for 1 year, I do not recognize my game.

Bobby_V_Rockit

ZonasArch wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

gepe87 wrote: »

Remember when 30k dps was top notch?
The main reason is light attack damage buff from previous patches (+empower). If they cut the damage from LA, DPS would drop but people wouldnt miss that too much.

If you still do damage on normal target dummies without relequen you would get around 40k dps on the high side, people are getting these higher numbers because of the new target dummy and relequen.

so over all this time damage is only 10k higher so it doesnt need a 50% nerf

There wasn't a 50% nerf to damage, please stop repeating this fallacy.

Actually there’s quite a few things nerfed by 50% or more, barbed trap got its damage reduced by 63% infectious claw got 50%, teleporting strike 50%, etc. read the patch notes again, lots of 50% reductions on skills, couple that with the cost increases aaaaaand....

Aurie

Wait for the next balance patch hoping they fix it

BlueRaven wrote: »

Brian Wheeler 58:45 min: "We have dedicated testing group, that runs through the dungeons, to make sure, that they can still complete the dungeons."

That does not sound like what you were just describing. I used to play wow, and they had a developer there called Ghostcrawler who gave very detailed reason why they buffed and nerfed abilities. He went through each one and made sure that the final dps output was exactly what was needed for each class.

So why is Wheeler NOT running those same dungeons with them? Why was "Lets try to keep PvE dps the same" not a factor?

What we get here is a blanket dps nerf and conversation that seems like it went;

Wheeler; "Dungeon team, can you still run the dungeons?"

Dungeon team; "...Sure... But-"

Wheeler; "Good enough! Moving on!"

And who is on this dungeon team anyway? Are they people who are doing 100k+ dps? Because determining if a high end player can complete a dungeon with a major dps nerf is not really helpful. Yes, the guilds who can clear Vet Sunspire in less then 30 minutes will be fine. What about the rest of us?

••••

GilliamtheRogue 1:01:50 min: "..what kind of players experience the game in different ways, and what is our target audience with some these changes. So like in some of these cases it's a numbers game which not everyone really cares about. The average player who's going to come on and just kill some dragons or stuff like that, they don't care if they're spammable is doing a billion damage..." (Emphasis mine.)

Wheeler: "Well I would."

They tried to walk it back, but it was pretty clear.

They go on to to say they are focused on the end game group. And that the endgame players "...thats's where a lot of the number balancing, in terms of why things get buffed or nerfed is, like, its focused on that group in terms of making sure that we have a healthy game that everyone can experience..." (Again emphasis mine.)

So, the people that are struggling, the people who can barely clear a dlc dungeon on normal, not their "focus". Can the high end groups still clear content? Then fine.

Sure a dps that is doing 75k going down to 55k (for example) will be fine. They can clear content just as well as they always did.

But that same 26-27% drop will make a struggling 25k dps go below 20k. And that is NOT a factor or focus to the team, and they are ok with it.

Simply unbelievable attitude.....and that cover-up when they realised they'd said stuff that would be offensive to much of the player base.....well, I'm speechless here.

Is that any way for the ESO lead and associate combat devs to behave? How very shortsighted of them, as this will infuriate a heck of a lot of people. It's just insulting.

Holycannoli

ZonasArch wrote: »

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There wasn't a 50% nerf to damage, please stop repeating this fallacy.

No, some damage was nerfed 63% and costs were increased.

What even was the point of the DoT buffs in the August patch then?

AltmerGF

Play WoW or some other MMO RPG

Honestly? I'm tired. I really love this game and want to continue enjoying it, but it's just becoming too stressful to be required to re evaluate my entire setup every month because one day they buff an ability by 150% then the next they nerf it by 200%. I feel like I'm playing a beta 6 years after release.

I'm a big fan of Elder Scrolls lore and just wish I could look forward to new content rather than dread it. I truly hope ZOS one day figures out what they want this game to be.

Aptonoth

Man it up

I'll probably stop doing high end content. As a warden main my dps is already terrible lol. Even more hits is going to kill me in all veteran dungeons. This also means no dungeon sales for them and no more ESO + subscription when it ends.

MercilessnVexed

Man it up

Anybody want some cheese with their whine?

FFS. PLAY the game! Life has far more serious crap to worry about than this. This is fun. Just go play already!

Aptonoth

Man it up

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Anybody want some cheese with their whine?

FFS. PLAY the game! Life has far more serious crap to worry about than this. This is fun. Just go play already!

I would love to if my class the mag and dps warden wasn't *** in pve, so I am here whining instead of playing.

NiteAdder

Stop doing harder content completely

Was having trouble clearing VDSA and VBRP. So now it will be most likely impossible for me now. This is what happens when you have the lead PVP designer as the head combat designer that does not play PVE and his sidekick who does not care at all if you cant do harder content.
Dont plan on playing at all.

AltmerGF

Play WoW or some other MMO RPG

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Anybody want some cheese with their whine?

FFS. PLAY the game! Life has far more serious crap to worry about than this. This is fun. Just go play already!

This is always such a flimsy-ass argument that still pops up every time.

Yeah, it's for fun. And that's probably why people liked it. But when the game gets changed back and forth at such a breakneck pace and the developers clearly have no clue what they're doing with it anymore, it starts becoming more frustrating than fun. And shocking, but people tend to not like it when things they enjoyed get spoiled.

Belittling the people who dislike a thing as whiny babies is just as unconstructive as bashing it mindlessly.

MercilessnVexed

Man it up

AltmerGF wrote: »

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Anybody want some cheese with their whine?

FFS. PLAY the game! Life has far more serious crap to worry about than this. This is fun. Just go play already!

This is always such a flimsy-ass argument that still pops up every time.

Yeah, it's for fun. And that's probably why people liked it. But when the game gets changed back and forth at such a breakneck pace and the developers clearly have no clue what they're doing with it anymore, it starts becoming more frustrating than fun. And shocking, but people tend to not like it when things they enjoyed get spoiled.

Belittling the people who dislike a thing as whiny babies is just as unconstructive as bashing it mindlessly.

Did I hurt your wee feelings by telling you to man up?

AltmerGF

Play WoW or some other MMO RPG

Beastygrowls wrote: »

AltmerGF wrote: »

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Anybody want some cheese with their whine?

FFS. PLAY the game! Life has far more serious crap to worry about than this. This is fun. Just go play already!

This is always such a flimsy-ass argument that still pops up every time.

Yeah, it's for fun. And that's probably why people liked it. But when the game gets changed back and forth at such a breakneck pace and the developers clearly have no clue what they're doing with it anymore, it starts becoming more frustrating than fun. And shocking, but people tend to not like it when things they enjoyed get spoiled.

Belittling the people who dislike a thing as whiny babies is just as unconstructive as bashing it mindlessly.

Did I hurt your wee feelings by telling you to man up?

That'll teach me to attempt to have a reasonable conversation on this forum. Thanks for nipping my hopes in the bud.

MercilessnVexed

Man it up

AltmerGF wrote: »

Beastygrowls wrote: »

AltmerGF wrote: »

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Anybody want some cheese with their whine?

FFS. PLAY the game! Life has far more serious crap to worry about than this. This is fun. Just go play already!

This is always such a flimsy-ass argument that still pops up every time.

Yeah, it's for fun. And that's probably why people liked it. But when the game gets changed back and forth at such a breakneck pace and the developers clearly have no clue what they're doing with it anymore, it starts becoming more frustrating than fun. And shocking, but people tend to not like it when things they enjoyed get spoiled.

Belittling the people who dislike a thing as whiny babies is just as unconstructive as bashing it mindlessly.

Did I hurt your wee feelings by telling you to man up?

That'll teach me to attempt to have a reasonable conversation on this forum. Thanks for nipping my hopes in the bud.

Pfft. "Man it up" is one of the choices. It isn't the choice you made, clearly. Don't get mad at me because I chose it and you didn't. You want to leave for another MMO, be my guest. But don't complain about my post saying to quit complaining when you don't even want to stick it out. Doesn't matter if you don't like what I said. Doesn't change the fact that people whine and complain and it's ridiculous.

WeylandLabs

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Currently waiting for Q2 2020 👍

sudaki_eso

So what will you do after the new patch hits with the meganerf to DPS?

Probably play a lot more mechanics again

Cadbury

sudaki_eso wrote: »

So what will you do after the new patch hits with the meganerf to DPS?

Probably play a lot more mechanics again

Mike and The Mechanics?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivd6I-L8s2E

jecks33

Wait for the next balance patch hoping they fix it

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Currently waiting for Q2 2020 👍

a lot of people talk about Q2 2020. What will happen?

kind_hero

Wait for the next balance patch hoping they fix it

I will finish the quests for Tamriel Hero, and decorating some houses...

Sadly the combat part is not fun for me anymore... change sets/play-styles every 2-3 months

An other thing that I will do is to play with dumb sets that have odd procs or cool visuals, like grace of gloom, because this add a lot of fun while questing or wandering around.

xMovingTarget

Play WoW or some other MMO RPG

^ This. Already doing it for weeks

ruengdet2515

Man it up

Yes play mechanic more and more.

Don't worry I still play you.

EmEm_Oh

Ye_Olde_Crowe wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

I will keep doing what I'm doing, which is mostly healing and tanking.

People dont get that even if you tank or heal with the general drop in dps of their DDS everything will be so much harder for them too

Time and again any folks asked for a higher/veteran game/dungeon/trial/overland difficulty on the forums.
If you do less damage and have less sustenance, fighting will indeed take longer/become more difficult. So for me it looks like these peeps got what they asked for.

Why not buff the bosses and dungeons, then. Would have been way more proper according to your theory.

If your car needs new tires, you don't take the tires off your neighbor's car to solve your problem.

max_only

EmEm_Oh wrote: »

Ye_Olde_Crowe wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

I will keep doing what I'm doing, which is mostly healing and tanking.

People dont get that even if you tank or heal with the general drop in dps of their DDS everything will be so much harder for them too

Time and again any folks asked for a higher/veteran game/dungeon/trial/overland difficulty on the forums.
If you do less damage and have less sustenance, fighting will indeed take longer/become more difficult. So for me it looks like these peeps got what they asked for.

Why not buff the bosses and dungeons, then. Would have been way more proper according to your theory.

If your car needs new tires, you don't take the tires off your neighbor's car to solve your problem.

You’ve never heard of Jersey

StormeReigns

Man it up

Been playing mmos since getting an axe to the face by Rainz in UO back in 1997. Seen far worse patches, and seen absolutely amazing patches, and everything in between since then. I'll survive it.

Katakehua

Play WoW or some other MMO RPG

Personally I think this attempt to reign in the top end dps is mind bogglingly stupid and someone at the top should be kicking some arse at Zenimax, If a few young people buy Ferraris and the go speeding around everywhere, you don't solve the problem buy halving the power of every car on the road. At the end of the day Zenimax is a business and pissing on 90% of your customers to please the other 10% is as I said Mind Bogglingly Stupid.
A hard dps cap would make more sense, dps just stops at 50k or whatever number the devs think is appropriate that way everyone would still feel that they had some small chance of getting to do some endgame content. If the Twenty somethings playing on $10,000 Pc's with lovely green latencies need more of a challenge they could do Vet hardmode content in green overland sets. I however as a 50 year old gamer with a 5 year old PC and a latency that has never dropped below 300 ping and usually sits around 350ms(Yeah thanks for the oceanic server, NOT) find that using a dot build is the only way I can achieve a reasonable dps output as once the dots are on they aren't affected buy latency.
Please Zenimax try to remember the 1% do not pay your wages, its the masses in the middle who pay for eso plus and buy crowns who you should be listening to and most of us are NOT HAPPY.

Bigevilpeter

Stop doing harder content completely

Katakehua wrote: »

Personally I think this attempt to reign in the top end dps is mind bogglingly stupid and someone at the top should be kicking some arse at Zenimax, If a few young people buy Ferraris and the go speeding around everywhere, you don't solve the problem buy halving the power of every car on the road. At the end of the day Zenimax is a business and pissing on 90% of your customers to please the other 10% is as I said Mind Bogglingly Stupid.
A hard dps cap would make more sense, dps just stops at 50k or whatever number the devs think is appropriate that way everyone would still feel that they had some small chance of getting to do some endgame content. If the Twenty somethings playing on $10,000 Pc's with lovely green latencies need more of a challenge they could do Vet hardmode content in green overland sets. I however as a 50 year old gamer with a 5 year old PC and a latency that has never dropped below 300 ping and usually sits around 350ms(Yeah thanks for the oceanic server, NOT) find that using a dot build is the only way I can achieve a reasonable dps output as once the dots are on they aren't affected buy latency.
Please Zenimax try to remember the 1% do not pay your wages, its the masses in the middle who pay for eso plus and buy crowns who you should be listening to and most of us are NOT HAPPY.

Totally agree, how stupid are they trying to cater to only the elites and *** off the majority

unclesheosnephew

was thinking AutoErotica Asphyxiation was looking good

Inaya

Log in and play same as I do every day

Lasinagol

Play Dress up

DoT nerf ruins my idea of dps. Buff, buff, dot, dot, spammable...my wizard's robes are looking a bit dingy from all the dummy humping anyways.