RIP Bows

Katahdin

From the patch notes:

Bow
Poison Arrow: Decreased the damage per tick of this ability and its morphs by approximately 63%.

Volley:
Increased the base cost of this ability and its morphs to 4500, up from 2808.
Decreased the damage per tick of these abilities by approximately 17%.


So bows are pretty much going to be useless. 63% and 17% damage reduction on the main DPS skills the weapon has left.
So is stamina not supposed to have a ranged option at all any more?

You should probably change the name of it to wet noodle because thats pretty much all its going to amount to now.

Royalthought

Katahdin wrote: »

From the patch notes:

Bow
Poison Arrow: Decreased the damage per tick of this ability and its morphs by approximately 63%.

Volley:
Increased the base cost of this ability and its morphs to 4500, up from 2808.
Decreased the damage per tick of these abilities by approximately 17%.


So bows are pretty much going to be useless. 63% and 17% damage reduction on the main DPS skills the weapon has left.
So is stamina not supposed to have a ranged option at all any more?

You should probably change the name of it to wet noodle because thats pretty much all its going to amount to now.

Not to throw salt in the womb but don't forget draining shot.

It was nerfed in range and damage for having a knock back. They removed its knock back but didn't amend the nerfs.

FrancisCrawford

Non-bow skills were nerfed similarly.

Deathztalker

In their hast to fix the current dot DPS problems in the game on live it looks like their planning on breaking PVE ranged stamina DPS builds . . . . . . .

I would be interesting to have them explain how a viable PVE bow build is support to compare in DPS after they make these changes . . . . .

If it’s the dot gear sets that are causing the problems why not fix the gears sets?

satanio

Everything got nerfed, it looks like they want to make old content challenging again.

Deathztalker

A lot of PVE ranged stamina DPS builds use Poison Arrow, Volley and Trap Beast. Making the changes that they did without buffing or providing other ranged stamina DPS options breaks ranged stamina DPS game play.

Palidon

For me this game is so done. They have gone completely crazy with the nerfs. Forget fixing any of the numerous bugs and performance issues. Oh well I could care less at this point. Was a good run. Stuck with the game since beta but now just Tired of complaining and having to adjust to their constant changes every update.

I have always played a stamina Nightblade bow/2h or DW build. For me their is no adjusting to the bow changes in this upcoming update. ZOS has gone completely bonkers.

Deathztalker

Update 23 put some parts of the game out of balance now their trying to do damage control as this will be the last big update before the Christmas holidays. . . . . . . . . This is only the first round of purposed fixes so there is still a chance they might be able to fix PVE ranged stamina DPS builds before update 24 goes live. That being said I have a feeling they won’t really be able to fix PVE ranged stamina DPS until they rebalance the game in 2020.

At the end of the day if people who are playing PVE ranged stamina DPS builds are not having fun or are being left out of groups because they can’t pull the DPS needed then they’re not going to stick around . . . . . .

lucky_Sage

I don’t think there was a single buff this patch maybe giving standoffs a pet but don’t really see them using standk new spammable is straight dumb no class synergy why high cost and mid range attack to a straight melee class zos lost there mind his patch

Saril_Durzam

My Warden bow build has lost some power but still working...

jecks33

satanio wrote: »

Everything got nerfed, it looks like they want to make old content challenging again.

and new contest impossible. Imagine beating a 160mil hp dragon with 30k dps...

LoreToo

You still have acid sprey, snipe, crushing weapon, so its totaly ok. Dots should not do 80% of damage

LoreToo

jecks33 wrote: »

satanio wrote: »

Everything got nerfed, it looks like they want to make old content challenging again.

and new contest impossible. Imagine beating a 160mil hp dragon with 30k dps...

Its just 9 mins, so its ok for hardest Boss in any MMO

Urzigurumash

Who needs a bow when you have STONE GIANT (jk that's a terrible change too)

Ragnaroek93

The two bow skills which I'm using got nerfed (PI and Draining Shot), so in total 8 of the skills I'm using got nerfed during the past 3 patches. Unbelievable how they nerf more stuff in a MMO which is somehow about char progression than Blizzard is nerfing in Overwatch omegalul...

Mayrael

Bow nerfs are not special, its part of ALL DoTs riddance. Its good they are consistent with nerfs but 50-60% nerfs are to high, it should be 25% at best. Draining shot was to potent when compared to e.g. Destructive Clench. In general there is no reason to say those changes were aimed to nerf Bows, its part of their "standarisation" process

Deathztalker

All though the attended changes were not directly aimed to nerf Bows again that seems to be one of the results. . . . . . . . . .

Deathztalker

With the changes to Volley I wonder how they plan on fixing the Maelstrom Arena Bow this time?

Kartalin

Royalthought wrote: »

Not to throw salt in the womb...

The saying is throwing salt in the wound but let me just add that throwing it in the womb is waaayy more hardcore.

Dottzgaming

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Who needs a bow when you have STONE GIANT (jk that's a terrible change too)

DONT YOU FEEL THE IDENTITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Katahdin

LoreToo wrote: »

You still have acid sprey, snipe, crushing weapon, so its totaly ok. Dots should not do 80% of damage

Snipe has also been nerfed to suckage. With the cast time nd reduction in damade, it's not worth slotting.
Acid spray...yeah right. Mediocre at best.
Crushing weapon is not a bow skill.

katorga

If draining shot is losing its CC then the range nerf from last patch needs to be removed.

Deathztalker

Their main goal right now is how to fix the problem of the OP dot builds. Their current purposed solution unintentionally disrupted all ranged stamina DPS builds in a negative ways. It also made focus items like the Maelstrom Arena Bow less then useful, I don’t believe this was their intent.

Right now there looking for our suggestion on how they can fix the ranged stamina DPS builds without causing to many other problems in game. If you have suggestions or helpful feedback posts your ideas so we can work with them on fixing this problem.

Wayshuba

Deathztalker wrote: »

Their main goal right now is how to fix the problem of the OP dot builds. Their current purposed solution unintentionally disrupted all ranged stamina DPS builds in a negative ways. It also made focus items like the Maelstrom Arena Bow less then useful, I don’t believe this was their intent.

Right now there looking for our suggestion on how they can fix the ranged stamina DPS builds without causing to many other problems in game. If you have suggestions or helpful feedback posts your ideas so we can work with them on fixing this problem.

So there main goal was to fix a problem that they were told would happen during U23 PTS, yet they went live with it anyway, and you actually believe they are going to listen to anything people say about U24?

Here is one example: Permafrost had the snare removed for good reason as it was overpowering - especially with multiple Wardens - in PvP. So now they are bringing it back...... tell me these guys have a single clue to what they are doing because it sure doesn't look like it.

They are not making ANY progress at all on balance. In fact, since the U22 class changes they have done nothing but make the game worse.

SodanTok

PVE wise bows were rip last patch. The gap between ranged stam and other builds is actually going to get smaller because of these changes. VMA DW or lack of strong skills was the main issue of discrepancy. Other issues obviously still remain (light trap vs melee trap or huge lack of weapon damage), but these nerfs are bringing Lethal Arrow and Acid Spray back.

lucky_Sage

LoreToo wrote: »

You still have acid sprey, snipe, crushing weapon, so its totaly ok. Dots should not do 80% of damage

@LoreToo
They should do that much for DK’s

Araneae6537

Royalthought wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

From the patch notes:

Bow
Poison Arrow: Decreased the damage per tick of this ability and its morphs by approximately 63%.

Volley:
Increased the base cost of this ability and its morphs to 4500, up from 2808.
Decreased the damage per tick of these abilities by approximately 17%.


So bows are pretty much going to be useless. 63% and 17% damage reduction on the main DPS skills the weapon has left.
So is stamina not supposed to have a ranged option at all any more?

You should probably change the name of it to wet noodle because thats pretty much all its going to amount to now.

Not to throw salt in the womb but don't forget draining shot.

It was nerfed in range and damage for having a knock back. They removed its knock back but didn't amend the nerfs.

What?! No more knock back? I’d found that skill invaluable for helping keep enemies at range and restoring a decent amount of health! It’s going to hurt to have such large nerfs to all my skills.